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Putting my Xv15 up in classifieds also have a xs30 if your in Ohio or close to. Simply just don't have the time anymore to use them
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That would be nice as I've been on 7/365 for 4(?) years now. We'll see...


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They have free shipping to you. But not free return shipping if you don't want to keep it
Correct. We had so many trade ins toward the V3600i subs we ended up with 3-4 pallets of B-stock that we had no room for really. The good news is we've sold 15-20(?) in the past few days and only have a couple left. I think we have one XV15b and one S1500b.

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I wonder what the amp power will be?
All of the info will be up on the website in a week or so.

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Thanks for the correction about shipping, Brian
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IIRC, you are trying to play with a sub phase to get best subs FR. If so, turn Aud off, go to your Avr menu and set both subs distance to zero and both sub trims to the exact same trims (doesn't matter what trim level it is), measure both subs with both phase at zero on subs, then vary the phase knob or switch of ONE sub, measure again and again till achieving best possible FR. Leave the phases knobs/switches on subs untouched, run Aud cal, measure subs response with Aud off/on. Then measure center + subs (REW output3) to see if subs distance tweak is needed at your xover point.
Thanks Tony, I don't understand the philosophy of the sub distances being identical (0) feet and the trims also identical but it sounds like a good plan to me. I have several sub locations to play with as well, the sub crawl did not prove to be the best spot for my subs. I have a lot of work to do. I will try this and let you know.
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^^ Even with Aud off, Aud already optimized your sub distances/phases when you ran cal. Setting them to zero and same level is a good starting point before any phase adjustment on sub.
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glad to hear the v3600 is a beast.i have one coming soon hopefully it ships tuesday.
That's great Eric. It is an absolute beast, you will be stunned.
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I switched the subs and got the same result. I'm thinking it's placement as someone mentioned. Not many options without messing up the flow of the aesthetics. Plus I need a longer RCA cable that I don't have right now. Is placement different with sealed and ported or is it the same challenges for both?
Someone will correct if I am wrong, but they will most likely be same issues with ported or sealed in regards to placement.

I hear ya on the aesthetic issue. One of my subs is in a great spot, the second is good for output but the response looks like a roller coaster compared to the 1st. BUT, combined I get a good (not perfect) response graph so it works out.
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Ohhhh… the V3600 is FUN!

Now that I've had some time to play around with the V3600 I will share a few more impressions on it so perhaps it may help anyone who may be interested in it or may be on the fence about getting it.

I just finished watching Mr. and Mrs. Smith and it was like watching the movie for the first time. I knew the movie had some good bass but I never realized just how good the bass was until now. And I've seen it four times. For example...There's a scene where a meat cleaver is thrown into the wall and when it strikes the use of LFE shook my couch. I replayed it to make sure I wasn't just imagining it (after all, it was a knife not a bomb). I never noticed the use of LFE in that scene before now.

The best way I can describe the bass I'm experiencing now would be to use the word "Effortless". The V3600 is big and it is powerful and it takes the large space I have and pressurizes it with nary an effort. It's like a heavyweight fighter hitting a featherweight. It's really absolutely incredible.

As I type this I realize I don't have the ability (or the words) to adequately describe the power of the V3600 in a way that can do it justice. All I can say is I feel like I have entered into a whole new realm of low frequency experiences. IMO this sub is well worth the purchase price.
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WOW trips, that would be crazy, especially with XS30s. Seen your HT build and your theater is pretty sweet. I can only imagine the shake in your theater! Have you had a chance a Jupiter Ascending yet? Heard that ha quite a bit of LFE in it, and imagine in your theater would be sweet. I imagine on Hops setting it would cause the beer to foam up upon dispensing!
Well. Just finished it for the second viewing but this time at -5. Holy cow!!!

My new favorite bass movie. Incredible!
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Tony, I haven't run Audy XT32 yet, I moved all my gear and I'm just starting to set everything up now. What I'm trying to accomplish is getting the flattest FR prior to running Audy. So I guess I should run Audy first and then do what you suggested, correct?
Then don't run aud then, just proceed to sub phase knob/switch. Double check your Avr setting for sub distances/level to make sure they are set to 0 distance and same trim levels.
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Michigan is close! Where in Ohio?
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Ohhhh? the V3600 is FUN!

Now that I've had some time to play around with the V3600 I will share a few more impressions on it so perhaps it may help anyone who may be interested in it or may be on the fence about getting it.

I just finished watching Mr. and Mrs. Smith and it was like watching the movie for the first time. I knew the movie had some good bass but I never realized just how good the bass was until now. And I've seen it four times. For example...There's a scene where a meat cleaver is thrown into the wall and when it strikes the use of LFE shook my couch. I replayed it to make sure I wasn't just imagining it (after all, it was a knife not a bomb). I never noticed the use of LFE in that scene before now.

The best way I can describe the bass I'm experiencing now would be to use the word "Effortless". The V3600 is big and it is powerful and it takes the large space I have and pressurizes it with nary an effort. It's like a heavyweight fighter hitting a featherweight. It's really absolutely incredible.

As I type this I realize I don't have the ability (or the words) to adequately describe the power of the V3600 in a way that can do it justice. All I can say is I feel like I have entered into a whole new realm of low frequency experiences. IMO this sub is well worth the purchase price.
Send it to me, I'll review it for you, I know lots of words!
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Tom, what's been a bigger seller; S3000i or V3600i?

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You do not need to use a spl meter to adjust phase, use REW. You also do not use the AVR test tones, use the tones in REW. Again REW has everything you need to accomplish the tasks at hand.

Guys I really need this question answered that I posted in response to BassHead's reco. TIA

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IIRC, you are trying to play with a sub phase to get best subs FR. If so, turn Aud off, go to your Avr menu and set both subs distance to zero and both sub trims to the exact same trims (doesn't matter what trim level it is), measure both subs with both phase at zero on subs, then vary the phase knob or switch of ONE sub, measure again and again till achieving best possible FR. Leave the phases knobs/switches on subs untouched, run Aud cal, measure subs response with Aud off/on. Then measure center + subs (REW output3) to see if subs distance tweak is needed at your xover point.
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Thanks Tony, I don't understand the philosophy of the sub distances being identical (0) feet and the trims also identical but it sounds like a good plan to me. I have several sub locations to play with as well, the sub crawl did not prove to be the best spot for my subs. I have a lot of work to do. I will try this and let you know.
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^^ Even with Aud off, Aud already optimized your sub distances/phases when you ran cal. Setting them to zero and same level is a good starting point before any phase adjustment on sub.
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Tony, I haven't run Audy XT32 yet, I moved all my gear and I'm just starting to set everything up now. What I'm trying to accomplish is getting the flattest FR prior to running Audy. So I guess I should run Audy first and then do what you suggested, correct?
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Then don't run aud then, just proceed to sub phase knob/switch. Double check your Avr setting for sub distances/level to make sure they are set to 0 distance and same trim levels.

Jeff,

As I said in my PM, there is no need to mess with phase when you have SubEQ HT.

I will quote my PM here for the benefit of others.

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When you have XT32+SubEQ HT there is absolutely no need to mess with phase on your subs.

SubEQ HT will time-align the subs when you run Audyssey. Much better than aligning phase. Time-aligning the subs aligns them at all frequencies...phase adjustments only align them at one frequency.

Just leave both subs at 0 phase and run Audyssey.

If you're a curious individual such as myself, you can check to make sure SubEQ HT time-aligned them correctly by running some REW sweeps and adjusting the distance of one of the subs. If you can improve the combined FR, great...but usually SubEQ HT gets it spot on.
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Alan, I assume that would be the same for the delay on the ice amps?
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Out of stock sale on the XS15SE model... $699 feels good to me.
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Alan, I assume that would be the same for the delay on the ice amps?
While I don't own one of the new, spiffy ICE amps with the delay control...I would have to say "Yes".

Delay is delay whether added by the amp or the AVR, shouldn't matter where the delay is added...the AVR is typically the easiest, most accurate way of getting where you want to be. Of course, you can do it manually (with the delay in the ICE amps or with a MiniDSP, while measuring the response with REW) but it is much more work and usually not any more accurate than what SubEQ HT can accomplish on it's own.
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I'm not sure it's been stated or not yet, but will the V3600i outperform dual V1500s? @Tom Vodhanel Looking at the long term output compression charts on PSA's website, it looks like it'd be close, but I'd think dual 18" drivers powered by 1700 watts would outperform similarly-designed dual 15" drivers powered by 1450 watts. I realize enclosure volume plays into it here too...

I've been leaning towards dual V1500s (or HSU VTF15H.2s), but I could actually make a single V3600i work...
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@saldog78 , if you want dual you may want to wait a week as it seems a V1800 is about to hit........
At least pop into chat or call Tom direct and get the dirt....then pass that along here
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@saldog78 , if you want dual you may want to wait a week as it seems a V1800 is about to hit........
At least pop into chat or call Tom direct and get the dirt....then pass that along here
Tom said cross the V1800 off the list.
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1)V1800

2)S1800

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Man, no days off this year..


The concern with the S1800 is you are treading into S3000i territory now in terms of size, performance, value, etc. Who wouldn't jump on the S3000i but would go for the S1800?

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And the specs should be out in a week.......
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I really want to see what the V1800 will look like. I hope it has the vent at the bottom like the V3600.
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You misunderstood. It's crossed off the "to do list", which means it's done and will be available shortly.
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I'm not sure it's been stated or not yet, but will the V3600i outperform dual V1500s? @Tom Vodhanel Looking at the long term output compression charts on PSA's website, it looks like it'd be close, but I'd think dual 18" drivers powered by 1700 watts would outperform similarly-designed dual 15" drivers powered by 1450 watts. I realize enclosure volume plays into it here too...

I've been leaning towards dual V1500s (or HSU VTF15H.2s), but I could actually make a single V3600i work...
This is an interesting question to me. Previously I had been running dual XV15se's. Now I'm running the V3600 and a XV15se together (the XV15se is for smoothing purposes).

I know the XV15se and the V1500 are different subs but I may be able to help with your question anyway. You got me thinking so I experimented by taking my XV15se out of the loop and just played my V3600 by itself.

I played some heavy bass demo scenes to see how much a single V3600 differed from the days when I watched the same scenes with dual XV15se's running (allow me to point out I'm very familiar with these scenes). The dual XV15se's never came close to producing the rattling and shaking in my basement that the V3600 does. Nor did they ever pressurize the room like the V3600 seems to.

I know this is not a scientific method of testing and I know the V1500 is a little more powerful than the XV15se but I don't think they are SO different that some lessons can't be be applied. And the dual XV15se's never had the output that I'm experiencing with the V3600 (even when playing by itself).

Take this for what it's worth, I know it doesn't perfectly answer your question but it might give you some kind of idea.
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Hey Hop, can you run and post some compression sweeps with your 3600 alone? Oh, wear your earplugs for these sweeps.

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I'm not sure it's been stated or not yet, but will the V3600i outperform dual V1500s? @Tom Vodhanel Looking at the long term output compression charts on PSA's website, it looks like it'd be close, but I'd think dual 18" drivers powered by 1700 watts would outperform similarly-designed dual 15" drivers powered by 1450 watts. I realize enclosure volume plays into it here too...

I've been leaning towards dual V1500s (or HSU VTF15H.2s), but I could actually make a single V3600i work...
I"m currently running dual V1500's and have been really pleased with them. I have them in a relatively large open area basement with concrete floors and they are really able to pressurize the space quite well. The door at the top of the stairs is next on my to do list to replace as it vibrates to a scary extent when things get going during a heavy bass scene.

The V3600 looks like a monster and will most likely win on overall output but the smoothing capability you gain with the dual V1500 is very nice. I was really tempted to return my v1500's as they were w/n the 30 day period for a nice new V3600 at the pre-order price but I didn't want to give up the flexibility that the dual placement gives you along with not being a huge fan of the large height of the v3600 in my setup as well as the extra headroom the v3600 would give would not really be used all that often for me.

From past posts from Tom V and crew it sounded like the V1500 was pretty close to the old xv30fse output. So you could look at the specifics of how these measured on the data-bass site. Then add 3 - 6 db for a second depending on if colocating or moving it to another area of the room.
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