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Alan, I assume that would be the same for the delay on the ice amps?
While I don't own one of the new, spiffy ICE amps with the delay control...I would have to say "Yes".

Delay is delay whether added by the amp or the AVR, shouldn't matter where the delay is added...the AVR is typically the easiest, most accurate way of getting where you want to be. Of course, you can do it manually (with the delay in the ICE amps or with a MiniDSP, while measuring the response with REW) but it is much more work and usually not any more accurate than what SubEQ HT can accomplish on it's own.
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I'm not sure it's been stated or not yet, but will the V3600i outperform dual V1500s? @Tom Vodhanel Looking at the long term output compression charts on PSA's website, it looks like it'd be close, but I'd think dual 18" drivers powered by 1700 watts would outperform similarly-designed dual 15" drivers powered by 1450 watts. I realize enclosure volume plays into it here too...

I've been leaning towards dual V1500s (or HSU VTF15H.2s), but I could actually make a single V3600i work...
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@saldog78 , if you want dual you may want to wait a week as it seems a V1800 is about to hit........
At least pop into chat or call Tom direct and get the dirt....then pass that along here
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Cross #1 off the "to do" list...

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@saldog78 , if you want dual you may want to wait a week as it seems a V1800 is about to hit........
At least pop into chat or call Tom direct and get the dirt....then pass that along here
Tom said cross the V1800 off the list.
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So now we're up to...

1)V1800

2)S1800

3)S3600i

Man, no days off this year..


The concern with the S1800 is you are treading into S3000i territory now in terms of size, performance, value, etc. Who wouldn't jump on the S3000i but would go for the S1800?

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Tom said cross the V1800 off the list.
And the specs should be out in a week.......
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I really want to see what the V1800 will look like. I hope it has the vent at the bottom like the V3600.
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Off the TO DO list.
I bet that made Jim mad.... can you imagine...

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Jim..... Why?

Tom.... Customer requests.

Jim.... uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Tom said cross the V1800 off the list.

You misunderstood. It's crossed off the "to do list", which means it's done and will be available shortly.
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I'm not sure it's been stated or not yet, but will the V3600i outperform dual V1500s? @Tom Vodhanel Looking at the long term output compression charts on PSA's website, it looks like it'd be close, but I'd think dual 18" drivers powered by 1700 watts would outperform similarly-designed dual 15" drivers powered by 1450 watts. I realize enclosure volume plays into it here too...

I've been leaning towards dual V1500s (or HSU VTF15H.2s), but I could actually make a single V3600i work...
This is an interesting question to me. Previously I had been running dual XV15se's. Now I'm running the V3600 and a XV15se together (the XV15se is for smoothing purposes).

I know the XV15se and the V1500 are different subs but I may be able to help with your question anyway. You got me thinking so I experimented by taking my XV15se out of the loop and just played my V3600 by itself.

I played some heavy bass demo scenes to see how much a single V3600 differed from the days when I watched the same scenes with dual XV15se's running (allow me to point out I'm very familiar with these scenes). The dual XV15se's never came close to producing the rattling and shaking in my basement that the V3600 does. Nor did they ever pressurize the room like the V3600 seems to.

I know this is not a scientific method of testing and I know the V1500 is a little more powerful than the XV15se but I don't think they are SO different that some lessons can't be be applied. And the dual XV15se's never had the output that I'm experiencing with the V3600 (even when playing by itself).

Take this for what it's worth, I know it doesn't perfectly answer your question but it might give you some kind of idea.
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Hey Hop, can you run and post some compression sweeps with your 3600 alone? Oh, wear your earplugs for these sweeps.

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I'm not sure it's been stated or not yet, but will the V3600i outperform dual V1500s? @Tom Vodhanel Looking at the long term output compression charts on PSA's website, it looks like it'd be close, but I'd think dual 18" drivers powered by 1700 watts would outperform similarly-designed dual 15" drivers powered by 1450 watts. I realize enclosure volume plays into it here too...

I've been leaning towards dual V1500s (or HSU VTF15H.2s), but I could actually make a single V3600i work...
I"m currently running dual V1500's and have been really pleased with them. I have them in a relatively large open area basement with concrete floors and they are really able to pressurize the space quite well. The door at the top of the stairs is next on my to do list to replace as it vibrates to a scary extent when things get going during a heavy bass scene.

The V3600 looks like a monster and will most likely win on overall output but the smoothing capability you gain with the dual V1500 is very nice. I was really tempted to return my v1500's as they were w/n the 30 day period for a nice new V3600 at the pre-order price but I didn't want to give up the flexibility that the dual placement gives you along with not being a huge fan of the large height of the v3600 in my setup as well as the extra headroom the v3600 would give would not really be used all that often for me.

From past posts from Tom V and crew it sounded like the V1500 was pretty close to the old xv30fse output. So you could look at the specifics of how these measured on the data-bass site. Then add 3 - 6 db for a second depending on if colocating or moving it to another area of the room.
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What else do you have there? It looks like two 110s and some other fun toys.

You are in for one fun evening!
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Hey Hop, can you run and post some compression sweeps with your 3600 alone? Oh, wear your earplugs for these sweeps.
I will try. It's on my list of things to do but this looks like it may be a busier week than I expected it to be. The hardest part is to find a time when the kids aren't crashing around the house.
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I will try. It's on my list of things to do but this looks like it may be a busier week than I expected it to be. The hardest part is to find a time when the kids aren't crashing around the house.
"Now go to your room, or the V3600 Monster will come get you!"
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I bet that made Jim mad.... can you imagine...

Tom.... Hey Jim we have to build a new sub.

Jim..... Why?

Tom.... Customer requests.

Jim.... uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ROFL
LOL… I guess popularity has it's price. Poor Tom and Jim haven't seen a vacation in years because the customers (people like us) keep asking for more.

Dang this stuff is addictive. It's audio crack! And I think I might be an audio junkie.
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What else do you have there? It looks like two 110s and some other fun toys.

You are in for one fun evening!
V3600i 110SR 3 square 210 grill and anti mode 8033s. Any tip on the settings on V3600i...
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V3600i 110SR 3 square 210 grill and anti mode 8033s. Any tip on the settings on V3600i...
Nice!! The 110sr are monster surround speakers. What a pleasant surprise upgrade they were. I wasn't expecting a big difference going with fully capable surrounds. But dang! These things are the real deal!
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Be aware the antimode cal is really loud. I'm talking REALLY loud. Make sure you have the sub vol pretty low to start with or you'll definitely see how well all your pictures and whatnot are hung
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I really want to see what the V1800 will look like. I hope it has the vent at the bottom like the V3600.
I agree... a vent at the bottom could potentially make it have the same height as the V1500 with its large rounded vent at the top. A V1800 only slightly larger than a V1500 would be very cool!

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V3600i 110SR 3 square 210 grill and anti mode 8033s. Any tip on the settings on V3600i...
The only tip I have is to start with the room size right about in the middle. I had asked Tom about this and this is where he told me to start. He also said when you play around (experiment) and change the room size setting don't re-run your room calibration because it will counter act the change you just made.

Have fun with your new sub. It's a beast!

By the way, how large of a space do you have and are you running a 2nd sub with it?
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"Now go to your room, or the V3600 Monster will come get you!"
LOL… That will scar my children for life.
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I bet that made Jim mad.... can you imagine...

Tom.... Hey Jim we have to build a new sub.

Jim..... Why?

Tom.... Customer requests.

Jim.... uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ROFL
I have to admit PSA is really a customer based company, they listen to what us lunatics have to say and pay attention to our needs, but how much of it is really what we NEED and what we WANT

Sometimes I feel like I'm in the MATRIX, which pill should I take, the blue or the red one? Tom is Mr. Smith and Jim is Mr Anderson (NEO) and I'm Morpheus still believing in the ONE!!! I guess I have to go see the Oracle (my misses) so she can tell me the choice I'll have to make.....I hope I don't have to go through the Maravingian to find the Key Man.

Well I have to go get plugged in now cause the Trainman is coming and I don't want to be stuck in between worlds...........

Matrix Trilogy fans will know where I'm coming from.........

Thanks Tom and Jim for all that you do.

Cheers Jeffrey

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