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Heres a pic with the grill's off the klipsch. To think i was initially trying to do a single sub under 300 bucks a couple months ago to now having dual Xv15's cracks me up.
Very very nice. well I did the $300 sub (duals). Tom said 6 pl-200's = single v1500, that's crazy. Your subs seem like they blended with your system.
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Got it!!! Now to wait.
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Heres a pic with the grill's off the klipsch. To think i was initially trying to do a single sub under 300 bucks a couple months ago to now having dual Xv15's cracks me up.
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Got my 2nd xv15 today... Pretty pumped to get everything going now! Tv is going to be dropped about a half a food when i get time to do it.

Id love to put a v3600i in the corner instead of the XV15s but maybe in the future.
Congrats. on the second sub ! I recently got a second XV-15 as well,one thing i did was move the new sub's phase control to half way up and i noticed a difference.You might try that when you have a chance to watch a movie with a lot of bass,cause i'm wondering if its just my set up or not lol.
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Congrats. on the second sub ! I recently got a second XV-15 as well,one thing i did was move the new sub's phase control to half way up and i noticed a difference.You might try that when you have a chance to watch a movie with a lot of bass,cause i'm wondering if its just my set up or not lol.
I have yet to even watch a movie. just music..

Im trying to figure out how to get the surround system to work when i play movies through my tv off my external hard drive you see in pics.
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Congrats. on the second sub ! I recently got a second XV-15 as well,one thing i did was move the new sub's phase control to half way up and i noticed a difference.You might try that when you have a chance to watch a movie with a lot of bass,cause i'm wondering if its just my set up or not lol.

Getting your subs "in-phase" with the phase control knob should be a bit more of a scientific procedure than that.

First, you need an SPL meter (an SPL meter app on your phone will work in a pinch for this though).

Next, play some pink noise through your subs (you can use the sub cal noise from your AVR).

With the SPL meter at the MLP, adjust phase on one sub only until you get the highest SPL at the MLP. A friend to turn the phase knob is helpful with this step.

Done, subs are now "in-phase".


Depending on how large of a discrepancy there is in the distance of sub 1 and sub 2 to the MLP, you may end up at "0", "180" or somewhere in-between.


NOTE: if you have an AVR that can separately set distances for dual subs (i.e. Audyssey XT32 + SubEQ HT), you don't need to mess with phase on the subs at all.
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Heres a pic with the grill's off the klipsch. To think i was initially trying to do a single sub under 300 bucks a couple months ago to now having dual Xv15's cracks me up.
That's what happened to me about 7 months ago. Looking at 300 sub, then started researching and ended up with a xs30se then came back and bought dual xv15's to go with mt110 for the ht. So much for $300. Haaaaa lol
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IIRC dual XV30Fse are about equal to a single V3600i. So this would an upgrade to be sure. But remember, unless you are approaching the limits of the dual XV30Fse on a regular basis additional headroom may not offer big time audible benefits.

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Thanks, Tom! I was only half-kidding (but that makes me half-serious!) about upgrading from my dual XV30f's. While I would love to witness dual V3600i's, I have to admit that the XV30f's can already fill my room without even breathing hard. It's crazy but I think they are just now getting broken in nearly two years later!

Edit: Oh, I own the original XV30f's and not the se versions. Maybe I can convince the wife that I am two generations behind. lol

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I will keep everything updated. I know it was free shipping on my end, but how to you misplace a package so large? I am thinking that since it is shipping to my company today that I will get it as we are a larger company and have FedEx and UPS daily.

I just cannot wait to get it home!
I just checked on this and it appears to have been delivered as scheduled today? If that's not the case please email me asap and I'll give them heck tomorrow!

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I'm not sure it's been stated or not yet, but will the V3600i outperform dual V1500s? @Tom Vodhanel Looking at the long term output compression charts on PSA's website, it looks like it'd be close, but I'd think dual 18" drivers powered by 1700 watts would outperform similarly-designed dual 15" drivers powered by 1450 watts. I realize enclosure volume plays into it here too...

I've been leaning towards dual V1500s (or HSU VTF15H.2s), but I could actually make a single V3600i work...
The single V1800i(EDIT----I meant to say V3600i) will outgun dual V1500s in mid/upper bass "slam" for sure. Extension and deep bass capabilities will be similar.

The duals stand a good chance of smoothing out room induced peaks/dips though.

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@ Alan P .Thanks,i wish i knew somebody local who knows/uses SPL meters,but maybe i'll have to get one someday lol.
Oh and Tom,i believe he said he got the sub in a post above.
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Sweet! Congrats on being so busy, you deserve it for sure!
BTW, what has been a bigger seller, the S3000i or V3600i?
Overall the S3000i, although the last few days of the V3600i pre-order got scary..

Based on current interest in the new V1800, that might be somewhat popular also...

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I am confused, I keep seeing reference to V1800, is that coming real soon? I am getting ready to pull trigger any day now on dual V1500 or S1500, might be interested in S1800 if one were coming. Still debating sealed vs. ported, my head is spinning with all the choices and comparisons.
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I am confused, I keep seeing reference to V1800, is that coming real soon? I am getting ready to pull trigger any day now on dual V1500 or S1500, might be interested in S1800 if one were coming. Still debating sealed vs. ported, my head is spinning with all the choices and comparisons.
Yeah, things are happening fast around here lately. I think a lot of people have their heads spinning-and that include Tom, Jim, Fedex and most of all the cabinet makers

If considering ported, wait for the V1800 specs and pricing before making that decision as it sounds to be very potent. In all reality, dont make any decision without talking with Tom as he wont oversell your situation and will guide your process for best performance/value ratio.

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Yeah, things are happening fast around here lately. I think a lot of people have their heads spinning-and that include Tom, Jim, Fedex and most of all the cabinet makers

If considering ported, wait for the V1800 specs and pricing before making that decision as it sounds to be very potent. In all reality, dont make any decision without talking with Tom as he wont oversell your situation and will guide your process for best performance/value ratio.
Yeah I can see. I did chat briefly with Tom the other day. I currently have a single SVS PC-Ultra. Would have gone SVS but really their pricing is insane, nose bleed territory. I want to go and am debating sealed vs. ported. I love deep gut pounding deep tight lows, but also want accuracy for music. I have read more reviews, more data-bass tests and more sealed vs. ported articles I am dizzy. My new Denon x7200wa shows up Friday, my new Klipsch RP-280F shows to,or row and I got my new Klipsch RC-62ii last week. Feels like Xmas.
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Hi Mike,

I'm guessing this is based on something I said in chat yesterday. If so, I made a mistake, sorry. I don't recall discussing the S3000i at all really.

We haven't measured the newest V1800 proto-type yet(maybe tomorrow or friday for that). But based on earlier data I have a pretty good idea of what we're looking at on this one---which is hopefully the final version.

V1800 will have the edge in the deepest bass---16-25hz.
It going to be VERY close in the mid bass---31-50hz.
S3000i has a big advantage(4.5 to 5.5dB) in the upper bass---60-120hz.

Potential extension benefits to the S3000i.

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Yeah I can see. I did chat briefly with Tom the other day. I currently have a single SVS PC-Ultra. Would have gone SVS but really their pricing is insane, nose bleed territory. I want to go and am debating sealed vs. ported. I love deep gut pounding deep tight lows, but also want accuracy for music. I have read more reviews, more data-bass tests and more sealed vs. ported articles I am dizzy. My new Denon x7200wa shows up Friday, my new Klipsch RP-280F shows to,or row and I got my new Klipsch RC-62ii last week. Feels like Xmas.
Not sure if you are considering the S3000i, but it might fit your needs as well. Keep an eye out for drussell comparison of the XS30 vs S3000i in the coming weeks as well as checking out this thread for S3000i vs V1500-this was well before any 18's were even being considered but might give you insight on sealed vs ported.

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Not sure if you are considering the S3000i, but it might fit your needs as well. Keep an eye out for drussell comparison of the XS30 vs S3000i in the coming weeks as well as checking out this thread for S3000i vs V1500-this was well before any 18's were even being considered but might give you insight on sealed vs ported.

PSA V1500 vs. S3000i: My Big Room Challenge
Thanks, but I prefer duals over one big sub, otherwise I would stick with my PC-Ultra. I am trying to full the room with a more balance low end experience, the Single sub is too uneven in where the sweet spot is.
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The single V1800i will outgun dual V1500s in mid/upper bass "slam" for sure. Extension and deep bass capabilities will be similar.

The duals stand a good chance of smoothing out room induced peaks/dips though.

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Tom I hope you were referring to the V3600i, as that's what the OP was referring to anyway. I could be wrong though..............

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Thanks, but I prefer duals over one big sub, otherwise I would stick with my PC-Ultra. I am trying to full the room with a more balance low end experience, the Single sub is too uneven in where the sweet spot is.
Understood and wise to go with duals-you can always get TWO big subs. You have plenty to choose from right now from several quality ID companies in many different configurations/sizes and more coming soon.

The new system of yours sounds killer-just need to finish it off with some good bass.
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[QUOTE=Based on current interest in the new V1800, that might be somewhat popular also...

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Would you be able to give any detail on the price range you're looking at for the new V1800?

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Understood and wise to go with duals-you can always get TWO big subs. You have plenty to choose from right now from several quality ID companies in many different configurations/sizes and more coming soon.

The new system of yours sounds killer-just need to finish it off with some good bass.
Yeah 2 big duals would be awesome once I pick up all the glass form it blowing my windows out

Even I have some practicality limits. My Ultra is already not working hard, when I do Audyessy I have to crank it down to almost no gain because Audyssey complains it is too hot. This is what is leading me to maybe select sealed subs. the room is around 2300 cubic feet and is closed in except for 30 inch opening to the foyer (and a bay window behind the seating postion) so the room gain from a sealed may make dual S1500s a sweet combo for music and movies, but still researching and debating. I know Tom is good about the returns, but I just would not feel good having them ship 2 of a sub and then swap to 2 of the other.
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Yeah 2 big duals would be awesome once I pick up all the glass form it blowing my windows out

Even I have some practicality limits. My Ultra is already not working hard, when I do Audyessy I have to crank it down to almost no gain because Audyssey complains it is too hot. This is what is leading me to maybe select sealed subs. the room is around 2300 cubic feet and is closed in except for 30 inch opening to the foyer (and a bay window behind the seating postion) so the room gain from a sealed may make dual S1500s a sweet combo for music and movies, but still researching and debating. I know Tom is good about the returns, but I just would not feel good having them ship 2 of a sub and then swap to 2 of the other.
I understand and feel the same about "wasting" a companies money on shipping, it is not cheap. Therefore I research the hell out of my purchases and that includes talking with each company directly-not just chatting online. This will give you the feel of the real service you might get after the purchase if it is needed.

Regarding Audyssey setting up with no gain...where is the trim set at when done? Most subscribe to the theory of getting Audy to set up up well below zero, maybe 3-8 below, so that there is room for increase without getting into distortion territory. You really dont want it setting up above zero. This is due to Audy generally setting the sub about 10db too low, and trim above zero has more chance of distortion from a sub.

If you dont want to increase trim levels after EQ is done, then setting up right around zero would be the goal.

But in the end, whatever sounds right in your room and your listening taste is the real goal here.

Overall ported or sealed will work here, and I really think Tom would lean toward sealed, but it will take the right amount of sub. So, maybe 2 S1500 or even 2 XS15se would work here.
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Would you be able to give any detail on the price range you're looking at for the new V1800?
If I had to guess I would say it will be priced around $1500.

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Tom I hope you were referring to the V3600i, as that's what the OP was referring to anyway. I could be wrong though..............

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I was, meant to say the V3600i, sorry for any confusion guys.

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Also, the first to see, touch, and hear the V1800..

We're still putting the final touches on the DSP shaping but overall I'd say its at the 90% point.

Great to meet you guys too tang7969. I hope the MT110s work well in your room!

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Would you be able to give any detail on the price range you're looking at for the new V1800?
We're still waiting on a couple of quotes but our target pre-order pricing is $1299/single and $2499/dual. That includes shipping and these will also have the free shipping both ways promotion too.

Everyone seems to have the next 4 days off so we probably won't see these quotes until mid next week.

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Also, the first to see, touch, and hear the V1800..

We're still putting the final touches on the DSP shaping but overall I'd say its at the 90% point.

Great to meet you guys too tang7969. I hope the MT110s work well in your room!

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Yes the v1800 is going to be a great sub and at your pre order pricing.....WOW!!!! The MT110's sound great in my room!! There is no way they are coming back to you and I'm sure I will pick up another MT110 for center duty even though running with a phantom center works VERY well with these speakers.
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Even I have some practicality limits. My Ultra is already not working hard, when I do Audyessy I have to crank it down to almost no gain because Audyssey complains it is too hot. This is what is leading me to maybe select sealed subs. the room is around 2300 cubic feet and is closed in except for 30 inch opening to the foyer (and a bay window behind the seating postion) so the room gain from a sealed may make dual S1500s a sweet combo for music and movies, but still researching and debating. I know Tom is good about the returns, but I just would not feel good having them ship 2 of a sub and then swap to 2 of the other.
Duals? In 2300 cu. ft.?

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