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NP, I am kidding (a little) When Audyessy is done I generally turn up the sub gain on the sub itself using my spl until I show an increase of 5db.

That being said I have a few things I need to work out. The room was just redone so I have not run Audyssey since the extra doorway was closed in and new carpet laid and some other sound changing characteristics were done. I plan on running through a calibration Sunday with my new RP-280F, RC-62ii and unfortunately my X7200WA is delayed a week. But this will give me a chance to really figure out where I stand now. The thought o S3000i or XS30se is not really an option because due to space I really need the sub as close to the wall and corner as possible on each side. So I am thinking my options are dual S1500, dual V1500, dual S1800 ;-) or dual V1800 ;-) . The room was out of use for last 6 months do to a remodel and the theater gear was all packed away, so I need to reacquaint myself with the room acoustics and go from there.

I can tell you my PC-Ultra does not break a sweat as for Audyssey to not complain during calibration I have to turn the gain on the sub down to almost zero and during normal use it is barley up half way.

Rest assured as I get closer to pulling the trigger I will be calling you though ;-)
A-You dont need much room against the wall for a dual opposed sub (XS30se/S3000I). 3-4 inches is really all you need. 2 XS30se or S3000i will blow that room away!

B-It's suggested to leave the sub gain alone after running Audy and change the levels within the AVR itself. This can usually be done on the fly with your remote and I would be really surprised to find that the Denon 7200 does not have that ability (sweet AVR you have coming)

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First 3 assembled, tested, and bagged. We're doing these in threes, so hopefully another 3-6 make it out today!

Not sure if any of the next 6-9 customers in the build queue are following along but all I can say is...you really have no idea what you're in for..

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First 3 assembled, tested, and bagged. We're doing these in threes, so hopefully another 3-6 make it out today!

Not sure if any of the next 6-9 customers in the build queue are following along but all I can say is...you really have no idea what you're in for..

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I think the V3600i makes sense. In that the V3600i is the ported counterpart to the T-18. In its made for people who need a ton of output in one box. The V1800 actually is rather like the the S3000i. What most people who want duals should look at. Unless you have very large room or a high headroom requirement.
I agree... Not saying the V3600i does not make sense, I am saying the V1800 has a place in PSA's line up. Go back 10 pages or so and you will see me bringing up PSA adding the V1800 to the lineup before it was ever mentioned as a possibility of going live. It was mentioned a by another member that it did not make sense due to other companies offering the single 18" ported variants. That is when I brought up the "Perks" pov that PSA has over the competition.
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tom i hope one of them is mine i cant wait
I can neither confirm nor deny these rumors at this time.

You'll see tracking info within the hour..


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We've already sold significantly more V1800s than V3600i subs..

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How is that possible? The V1800 isn't even available yet.
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How is that possible? The V1800 isn't even available yet.
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I bet that made Jim mad.... can you imagine...

Tom.... Hey Jim we have to build a new sub.

Jim..... Why?

Tom.... Customer requests.

Jim.... uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ROFL
More like...

JIM....have you seen AVS, V1800?

Tom...not worried about it, we need to focus on the wood veneer Solid Works stuff and get quotes for the S1500, all 3 speakers and maybe the V1500 too. I'm getting 2-3 inquires a DAY about these.

JIM....Good, I'm not ready to go through another design process. We need a break.

Tom...No chance, we would need to get a ridiculous order quantity from a distributor to even CONSIDER this.

JIM....Good. we can worry about the V1800 next year.

...............one day later..............

Tom....Hey Jim, ridiculous just emailed us with their PO for the V1800...

JIM...sigh...




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First 3 assembled, tested, and bagged. We're doing these in threes, so hopefully another 3-6 make it out today!

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I just posted this on the PSA speaker thread, if you didn't see I'll repost it here.

Hey Guys I had a package delivered today and I thought I would share it with you. Talk about a USA based company, PSA really is that. If you read the label with the washing tag it says:

100% COTTON, KNIT, DYED & SEWN IN THE USA..............

Me and my misses are going to be walking billboards for POWER SOUND AUDIO, even the owners are made in the USA.......... NICE MUG TOO.........

Cheers Jeffrey

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I just posted this on the PSA speaker thread, if you didn't see I'll repost it here.

Hey Guys I had a package delivered today and I thought I would share it with you. Talk about a USA based company, PSA really is that. If you read the label with the washing tag it says:

100% COTTON, KNIT, DYED & SEWN IN THE USA..............

Me and my misses are going to be walking billboards for POWER SOUND AUDIO, even the owners are made in the USA.......... NICE MUG TOO.........

Cheers Jeffrey
But that doesn't mean the cotton is grown in the USA. Maybe its grown in China! Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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I agree... Not saying the V3600i does not make sense, I am saying the V1800 has a place in PSA's line up. Go back 10 pages or so and you will see me bringing up PSA adding the V1800 to the lineup before it was ever mentioned as a possibility of going live. It was mentioned a by another member that it did not make sense due to other companies offering the single 18" ported variants. That is when I brought up the "Perks" pov that PSA has over the competition.
Hey Bass you were spot on my friend when all that bickering was going on, they are selling like hot cakes and they ain't even released yet, good call.................

Cheers Jeffrey
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But that doesn't mean the cotton is grown in the USA. Maybe its grown in China! Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Hey RED, that's a good one. LMAO........What if a product is made in China by a American, how would you catalog that one??????????????

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I just posted this on the PSA speaker thread, if you didn't see I'll repost it here.

Hey Guys I had a package delivered today and I thought I would share it with you. Talk about a USA based company, PSA really is that. If you read the label with the washing tag it says:

100% COTTON, KNIT, DYED & SEWN IN THE USA..............

Me and my misses are going to be walking billboards for POWER SOUND AUDIO, even the owners are made in the USA.......... NICE MUG TOO.........

Cheers Jeffrey
Dang! I forgot to order a shirt when I ordered my second sub.
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I just posted this on the PSA speaker thread, if you didn't see I'll repost it here.

Hey Guys I had a package delivered today and I thought I would share it with you. Talk about a USA based company, PSA really is that. If you read the label with the washing tag it says:

100% COTTON, KNIT, DYED & SEWN IN THE USA..............

Me and my misses are going to be walking billboards for POWER SOUND AUDIO, even the owners are made in the USA.......... NICE MUG TOO.........

Cheers Jeffrey
Those shirts look mighty nice Jeff. I find my coffee tastes better in my PSA mug.
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I just posted this on the PSA speaker thread, if you didn't see I'll repost it here.

Hey Guys I had a package delivered today and I thought I would share it with you. Talk about a USA based company, PSA really is that. If you read the label with the washing tag it says:

100% COTTON, KNIT, DYED & SEWN IN THE USA..............

Me and my misses are going to be walking billboards for POWER SOUND AUDIO, even the owners are made in the USA.......... NICE MUG TOO.........

Cheers Jeffrey
Great looking shirts (got mine a while ago with my new subs), but I am more of a black shirt / white lettering kind of guy-plus they would look more ominous just like the subs
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Soooooo… I've been playing with REW and I'm finding when I run the V3600 by itself I get a smoother frequency response than when I run both subs together. On the photo the blue is dual subs and the green is the V3600 alone. The blue line is with the XV15se in the location that gives the best response with dual subs (I tried multiple locations and the other places were worse).

Am I missing something? It looks to me I'm better off with just the V3600 by itself.
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Great looking shirts (got mine a while ago with my new subs), but I am more of a black shirt / white lettering kind of guy-plus they would look more ominous just like the subs
Oh man, now I want a shirt. I may be putting in an order for mine tomorrow.
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Soooooo… I've been playing with REW and I'm finding when I run the V3600 by itself I get a smoother frequency response than when I run both subs together. On the photo the blue is dual subs and the green is the V3600 alone. The blue line is with the XV15se in the location that gives the best response with dual subs (I tried multiple locations and the other places were worse).

Am I missing something? It looks to me I'm better off with just the V3600 by itself.
Im not claiming to be an expert, but I think part of your problem is you are using 2 different subs.
Is this before or after Audessy? OR whatever room correction you have.
Have you tried using RTA in REW to locate your subs? I find it to be more accurate than any sub crawl method.
But yeah, the single sub isnt bad. I would probably just use it if you cant get the other to play nice with it.


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Have you tried using RTA in REW to locate your subs? I find it to be more accurate than any sub crawl method.
Can you please elaborate on how to use RTA for sub placement? I am going to wire my new home theater, and this will come in very handy for me.
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Have you time aligned the subs? They look to be canceling each other somewhat
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Im not claiming to be an expert, but I think part of your problem is you are using 2 different subs.
Is this before or after Audessy? OR whatever room correction you have.
Have you tried using RTA in REW to locate your subs? I find it to be more accurate than any sub crawl method.
But yeah, the single sub isnt bad. I would probably just use it if you cant get the other to play nice with it.
You may be right about the two different subs. I KNEW I should have bought two V3600s!

The graphs are post Audyssey. My other problem is I'm not using XT32 because my Denon 3313 doesn't have it. I wonder how much difference that would make.

I quit using the sub crawl once I got REW, I just move the sub and re-run REW to get a rough idea. If it has promise I will use a quick Audyssey calibration and then run REW again to see if it still looks good and if it does I run an 8 point Audyssey calibration.

When I had the other XV15se back there the rear sub location looked good but it dropped off like a rock after 20 Hz so I ran dual subs to help with extension as well as smoothing. Now I debating what my next move should be. Anyone else have any thoughts?
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Have you time aligned the subs? They look to be canceling each other somewhat
I did Brian but I'm wondering if I didn't do it right or wasn't careful enough when I was doing it. I didn't use REW when I did it I just used the old school method with the SPL meter.

What do you suggest?
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I did Brian but I'm wondering if I didn't do it right or wasn't careful enough when I was doing it. I didn't use REW when I did it I just used the old school method with the SPL meter.

What do you suggest?
What did you use to time align them?
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I agree. Subs look to be out of phase.
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I did Brian but I'm wondering if I didn't do it right or wasn't careful enough when I was doing it. I didn't use REW when I did it I just used the old school method with the SPL meter.

What do you suggest?
what is time align if using 2 subs.. and how do you do that using a spl meter?

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Can you please elaborate on how to use RTA for sub placement? I am going to wire my new home theater, and this will come in very handy for me.


The RTA is best used with REW's Pink PN test signal, so you get an SPL trace that doesn't need any averaging. Look for the same things as in a sweep measurement SPL plot. Here are suitable RTA settings:



NOTE: I forgot to add, change the settings in RTA to these settings.
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Also when I used RTA, I placed the mic at the MLP, and put the sub in its actual position. You can get some microfiber clothes if you have hardwood floor to slide the sub around. Or you can do like I did and placed it on a cheap Harbor freight furniture dolly. This makes moving and turning the sub effortless. http://www.harborfreight.com/materia...g/dollies.html
I found this to be best for me because I could actually have the mic on a boom stand and placed right in the center of my ears of where I sit.
Also, I have REW on my laptop, which is plugged into the PRe amp (AVR), which I have it output to the TV. So I can watch the RTA from anywhere in the room as I am moving it around.
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I did Brian but I'm wondering if I didn't do it right or wasn't careful enough when I was doing it. I didn't use REW when I did it I just used the old school method with the SPL meter.

What do you suggest?
By far, I am no expert among some here, but I got great dual response using the delay on the ICE amp and ARC quick measure feature. After that I verified with REW. Then I ran ARC eq and verified again with REW.

Not many here have Anthem, but that quick measure is so helpful as it keeps sending a sweep every 5 seconds or so giving you instant/real time results to delay adjustments. Its really nice to have your laptop right next to you when making these adjustments-no one else required to read an SPL meter. Its also equally helpful for sub/speaker placement.

I wonder if this type of feature could be added to REW?
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