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Anyone? Is there anything I can do? Any tips?
Jared, What are your results post calibration? Are you sure that your speakers are set to small and the you have 2 subs chosen? Also you can try calibrating one sub hooked up, and then the other, as this may help eliminate cable issues? Not being familiar with that sub or YPAO(I believe) it is a 7.2?
What about a splitter from your sub input. Did you hear both subs equally before calibration? Sorry for the questions, but a little more detail about what you have done may help us out. I have never run YPAO, but will help in anyway I can.
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[QUOTE=Hopinater;35524226]Okay I've been playing around a lot with REW the last three days and I have got a better response with my two subs than I had earlier. I'll take any comments anyone cares to offer. the problem is I seem to be getting a dip right around the crossover. /QUOTE]

I had same issue with dip when I had crossover at 80 HZ, since I moved it to 100 Hz that has made a big change on 85-95 range.
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Anyone? Is there anything I can do? Any tips?
Jared, What are your results post calibration? Are you sure that your speakers are set to small and the you have 2 subs chosen? Also you can try calibrating one sub hooked up, and then the other, as this may help eliminate cable issues? Not being familiar with that sub or YPAO(I believe) it is a 7.2?
What about a splitter from your sub input. Did you hear both subs equally before calibration? Sorry for the questions, but a little more detail about what you have done may help us out. I have never run YPAO, but will help in anyway I can.
The reviewer has 2 sub outs. Both subs are connected to each sub out in receiver. When it calibrates it only shows 1 sub. The second sub doesn't come up in the screen. I can hear it, but probably 40% maybe less compared to the other sub. I have not tried a y splitter. Ive gone into settings to see if I need to enable the second sub, but can't find anything.
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The reviewer has 2 sub outs.
Actually there is "one" sub (processed internally) that's split so you can easily connect two subs. No different than an external splitter. As suggested above I would connect one at a time and adjust their volumes to 3db less than the other speakers. Once their volumes have been matched connect both and run YPAO.

There are a couple of sub settings which you can find on page 116...

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Hop, You gain quite a bit from 40 and below (plus that extra extension) which explains your recent great experience with the 3600/XV15 combo. Having extension and enough output down to 15, 16hz is HUGE. If your xover is at 80, it is quite ugly there. The good thing is if you measure center and subs, your center might help lifting that region up and along with subs distance tweak, I think you will be better (lot better) around your xover point. Remember, we don't listen just to the subs rather the whole system and if your center with subs and/or main with subs are reasonable flat, you are golden. Enjoy.
Thanks Tvuong. Yep...There are still some issues I need to resolve around that darn crossover but before I dive too deeply into it I want to try the 2nd sub nearfield. I just need a longer cable.
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Thanks Tvuong. Yep...There are still some issues I need to resolve around that darn crossover but before I dive too deeply into it I want to try the 2nd sub nearfield. I just need a longer cable.
Jim I knew you would end up putting that XV15se near field, it has to compete with that refrigerator looking black beast, you should actually put a cushion on the 15 and use it for your MLP

I know you'll get that response around the XO taken care of, just like Tony said measure with your center and L+R speakers and see what happens.......

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Jim I knew you would end up putting that XV15se near field, it has to compete with that refrigerator looking black beast, you should actually put a cushion on the 15 and use it for your MLP

I know you'll get that response around the XO taken care of, just like Tony said measure with your center and L+R speakers and see what happens.......

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LOL….That made me laugh. But it's not a bad idea.

PSA should come out with some custom fitted seat cushions specially made for such circumstances.
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to heck with the cushions, how about PSA just make a xv72s which is a sofa that has 4 18s built into it? let's just cut to the quick here guys.
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I though I would let you guys know I should have an interesting comparison in next week or so. I have a friend who was going to by my S1500 but he backed out and decided to go with the SVS PC2000 instead. I think it will be fun to compare the two in room and I somehow have a feeling he will be shipping the SVS back and asking to buy the S1500 again after he hears them in the room together. I have always found the cylinders interesting and look forward to actually hearing one. I have to admit I am a little bummed he didn't pick up the S1500 because I was looking forward to getting a V1500.
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I though I would let you guys know I should have an interesting comparison in next week or so. I have a friend who was going to by my S1500 but he backed out and decided to go with the SVS PC2000 instead. I think it will be fun to compare the two in room and I somehow have a feeling he will be shipping the SVS back and asking to buy the S1500 again after he hears them in the room together. I have always found the cylinders interesting and look forward to actually hearing one. I have to admit I am a little bummed he didn't pick up the S1500 because I was looking forward to getting a V1500.
That's going to be a difficult comparison. The S1500 is meant for someone looking for good performance in a small form factor. The pc-2000 are much larger and ported. If he is mainly interested in movies at louder levels...the PC is really the way to go. A much better comparison would be the pc2000 and our XV15se or V1500.

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That's going to be a difficult comparison. The S1500 is meant for someone looking for good performance in a small form factor. The pc-2000 are much larger and ported. If he is mainly interested in movies at louder levels...the PC is really the way to go. A much better comparison would be the pc2000 and our XV15se or V1500.

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I agree and the size factor is why he was originally going with the S1500. If i remember correctly this sub is going in a roughly 12x14 bedroom. I don't think he fully understands just how big the cylinders are.
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Jared, What are your results post calibration? Are you sure that your speakers are set to small and the you have 2 subs chosen? Also you can try calibrating one sub hooked up, and then the other, as this may help eliminate cable issues? Not being familiar with that sub or YPAO(I believe) it is a 7.2?
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Just a heads-up. We've run into a few instances of problems with the newer Yammy receivers and our products. The subwoofer output(s) seem to have unpredictable performance at times. In one instance the customer had to do a full AVR 'reset' which temporarily solved the issues. But within a few days more and more problems began popping up and he ended up having to ship it back to the factory.

Please keep up undated Jared, we'll figure it out.

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Okay I've been playing around a lot with REW the last three days and I have got a better response with my two subs than I had earlier. I'll take any comments anyone cares to offer. the problem is I seem to be getting a dip right around the crossover.

However, I think I found a better position for my 2nd sub (nearfield) where I can get a flatter response but to keep it there I need a longer sub cable so I'll be ordering that today.

In the mean time I'll post a graph showing the dual XV15se's (purple) vs a XV15se running with a V3600 (blue). Subs are in the same position in both setups.
I would start by only using the main sub(V3600i) and getting that dialed in relative to the rest of the speakers. Optimize that and then add the XV15se later. Can you get a shot of the L, C, R speakers individually and then the C+V3600 together?

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That's going to be a difficult comparison. The S1500 is meant for someone looking for good performance in a small form factor. The pc-2000 are much larger and ported. If he is mainly interested in movies at louder levels...the PC is really the way to go. A much better comparison would be the pc2000 and our XV15se or V1500.

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Tom, do you know if there are any charts out there for the output of the PC2000, my guess was from 30hz on up the S1500 would walk away from it in output.
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Tom, do you know if there are any charts out there for the output of the PC2000, my guess was from 30hz on up the S1500 would walk away from it in output.

I think it would be closer. The 12" peerless driver is a nice combination of excursion and efficiency. And the enclosure is so much large that will also be a factor. For music, yes, the S1500 should have a 3-4dB edge in the 50-100 range for example. 30-50hz would be close. <30hz the pc2000 gains the 3-4dB edge(all best guesses).

With sub demos, we often just grab a few of the popular bass demos---War of the Worlds, Oblivion, Edge of Tomorrow, WW-Z, etc. Whoever rattles the windows the most wins.. Even with our most powerful subs like the V3600i I try to convince folks to include their favorite music/concert discs in the demo material. At the least, use more than 10 seconds of a movie....play the entire film to get a better representation of the overall product performance.

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Thanks for the repy Tom. We generally do watch most movies all the way through. I just spoke with him on the phone and he is already second guessing his purchase and it hasn't even shipped yet. He is wondering if he shouldn't have just got an XS30 and been done with it.
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Thanks for the repy Tom. We generally do watch most movies all the way through. I just spoke with him on the phone and he is already second guessing his purchase and it hasn't even shipped yet. He is wondering if he shouldn't have just got an XS30 and been done with it.
Any reason why he's going ported there and only considering sealed from us?

How large is his room and are there any large openings to other areas of the home?

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Any reason why he's going ported there and only considering sealed from us?

How large is his room and are there any large openings to other areas of the home?

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His room is roughly 1200 cubic feet sealed off to the other rooms. As for the sealed vs the ported I pointed out that for the price the SB2000 wasnt as good of a value as the xs15se or the S1500. I honestly believe the only reason he went SVS at all was to try it out and have something different from my setup.
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His room is roughly 1200 cubic feet sealed off to the other rooms. As for the sealed vs the ported I pointed out that for the price the SB2000 wasnt as good of a value as the xs15se or the S1500. I honestly believe the only reason he went SVS at all was to try it out and have something different from my setup.
1200 cu-ft and sealed would = sealed sub for most listening preferences. Any of our sealed models would extend into single digits for him. It is just a matter of how much headroom he needs for his most demanding listening levels.

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1200 cu-ft and sealed would = sealed sub for most listening preferences. Any of our sealed models would extend into single digits for him. It is just a matter of how much headroom he needs for his most demanding listening levels.

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I think right now its just a little friendly competition to out do my current setup. I may just have to order up a V1800 and end the competition in one swift swipe of the credit card
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I think right now its just a little friendly competition to out do my current setup. I may just have to order up a V1800 and end the competition in one swift swipe of the credit card

Even so, he should be thinking sealed. He'd get much deeper extension and audibly better SQ as well imo. But, as mentioned, this often turns in a "who rattles the window more with War of the Worlds" scenario anyway. Keep us posted. curious as to what he thinks of the pc2000 in such a small room.

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With sub demos, we often just grab a few of the popular bass demos---War of the Worlds, Oblivion, Edge of Tomorrow, WW-Z, etc. Whoever rattles the windows the most wins.. Even with our most powerful subs like the V3600i I try to convince folks to include their favorite music/concert discs in the demo material. At the least, use more than 10 seconds of a movie....play the entire film to get a better representation of the overall product performance.
I'm trying to come up with a way to compare a few subs right now. I have a 10" powered and 12" passive in my fronts (happy with them) and shortly I'll have a sub in each corner of the screen wall. What I plan on doing is playing one of the stand alone subs and then telling the receiver I don't have a sub and setting the fronts to large. That might not be as good as using the LFE input on the fronts but I have compared using both (fronts set to large and (small using LFE)) in the past and never noticed a difference. It will save me a few cables swaps especially if I want to compare multiple times.

This way I should be able to compare them fairly quickly. Once I have done this with one sub I'll disconnect it and connect the other and calibrate. Then do another comparison. I'm just "fighting" with what I should use for test material. I know I could simply turn one sub up a few decibels and it would be the winner.
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After messing with settings and everything else it was the RCA cable. I think! Well, i plugged in the other RCA cable from the other sub and it worked fine after that. Thanks for all your help! Im getting better bass now it scares me now to buy dual PSA subs!
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That really surprises me with the Yamaha receivers as they've had a really good track record with problems or failures, I don't care for their RC software, but other than that I thought they were pretty good. Thanks Tom for the heads up.

@Hop , I'll have the misses sew you up a nice cushion, what's your a** size?...

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Hey guys, I was looking in the mirror today and thought to myself wow where did all the years go, getting old. I found these old photos today and it made me laugh and cry at the same time. I thought I would show all my friends here what I look like and the progression of my aging from young to now....Don't be too hard on me.........

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