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Hello there everybody just join this week and been going around asking for help to build my first HT system.. So far I got klipsch rf82ii the rc62ii and the rs52ii and pioneer sc-65 to power them.. The only thing I'm looking for know its a good sub 800 being the max with me possible to go a little higher..I was told the xv15 was the way to go.. I'm stuck between choosing the xv15 and vtf-15h.. I'm new to this so I don't think I'm gonna know all the specs and extra stuff one can do.. I just want one sub that's gonna hit me in the chest as I have yet to have that feeling:(..any thoughts would help and thanks in advance..

That's a nice system you got going at your age, I really started getting into HT round your age and my first system was some acoustic research speakers I bought from sears and a Sony receiver and Sony DVD player I purchased from speigle catalog, Actually got a discount on those as I worked customer service for them. No subwoofer to start. That was back in 98

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Sorry I'm at work it's hard to reply quick..three subs to make it come alive wow..I think I am only willing to get two max..as I'm not in a house but apartment and don't think my neighbors would like me..but my room size is roughly about 20x16x
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Sorry I'm at work it's hard to reply quick..three subs to make it come alive wow..I think I am only willing to get two max..as I'm not in a house but apartment and don't think my neighbors would like me..but my room size is roughly about 20x16x

The problem is, the room's acoustics like to eat the sound waves the subwoofer system creates.

Visually, think of two pebbles being tossed into a glass smooth lake, near each other. As each produced splash ring radiate outwards and meet, the meeting of the two corresponding rings, cancel each other out. That sort of thing. And the addition of a third or forth sub, overcomes this wave cancellation factor, which allows the room to sonically come alive. The alternative is to fill the room up with room treatments, to absorb reflected sound waves so as to prevent the cancellation from taking place. And what nobody tells anybody, quality panels cost a bunch. As much as a subwoofer.
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But also though, having multiple subs would cause sound waves to arrive at different times and affecting the sound that way too. Of course at the frequencies we are talking about, they are very much non-directional with cues such as directional "feeling". Some people are more sensitive than that.

Also for those of you using R&L, they may require 1 extra day to do residential deliveries. They load their truck early in the mornings for deliveries, before they even call to setup deliveries (for homes this is required) so I took off work today and no dice :/

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Careful now....I recently got dual XS15s and got in to REW....I now want more. wink.gif


This brings up a question I have:

Here's my situation - I currently have 2 XS15s up front, next to my FL/R speakers (REW says this is best placement), with an older (circa 1995) Velodyne F1500 sitting directly behind my chair (crossed at 60hz) that I want to replace with a PSA so that they all match (and the Velo has a questionable amount of life left in it).

I absolutely LOVE the rumble that the Velo gives me with this extreme near-field placement, but my wife's chair is getting none of this extra rumble. Her seat is also in a null for the current XS15s - just not much bass in her chair at all. The couch sounds just as good as my chair (where she usually sits when watching movies), but with a little less rumble.

My thought is either 2 XS15s (1 behind each chair) or 1 XS30 (placed between our chairs, replacing an end table)....or maybe even the 2 XS15s, but one in each back corner (if the extreme nearfield is too much with the PSAs).

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part of the reason I went with the xv15's over the xs...another 8db output in the 16-40hz range.
I would do 1 xs 30 between the two chairs...I think the cabinent design would work well with that situation. you and your wife would each have a 15" driver slamming your chairs!

But, the 30 would be firing forward and backward - not enough room to have it firing side to side.

Pretty sure I've decided to go with 2 more XS15s so I have more placement options. Thanks for your feedback though! biggrin.gif

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I don't think that the best placement for both XS15's. Have you tried placing them in opposite corners and see how that sounds?

I have tried virtually every possible combination of positions for the 2 PSAs - REW confirms that the current placement gives the best FR at the MLP. I know, it doesn't look like it would, but it does - might have something to do with how open my room layout is.
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But, the 30 would be firing forward and backward - not enough room to have it firing side to side.
Either way the radiation pattern is exactly the same, 360 degrees.

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Sorry I'm at work it's hard to reply quick..three subs to make it come alive wow..I think I am only willing to get two max..as I'm not in a house but apartment and don't think my neighbors would like me..but my room size is roughly about 20x16x

if you have poor room acoustics then yes 3 maybe needed, but I would go with at least 2 subs to start. If your budget is 800.00, a pair of klipsch rw-d's for around 600.00 shipped may be a great option for you. My personal recommendation after hours upon hours of recent research, go with a one xv15 now and save up for another later.

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on a side note my xv15's just showed up...woohoo!!

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on a side note my xv15's just showed up...woohoo!!

Lies...lol...pictures!
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Either way the radiation pattern is exactly the same, 360 degrees.

This is true, but I think I'll still be better off with 2 more XS15s. wink.gif
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if you have poor room acoustics then yes 3 maybe needed, but I would go with at least 2 subs to start. If your budget is 800.00, a pair of klipsch rw-d's for around 600.00 shipped may be a great option for you. My personal recommendation after hours upon hours of recent research, go with a one xv15 now and save up for another later.

Ok that's what I plan to do buy one now and buy the other xv15 later..since I still live with my parents and knowing my pops loves action movies and hears the sound that comes outta them I might be able to get him to chip in to buy the other one..
Again thanks for all your comments..
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on a side note my xv15's just showed up...woohoo!!

Congrats, I have my girlfriend sitting at my house waiting on these subs since i could not be there to take delivery, She is stuck until they come biggrin.gif

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Every delivery the last eleven years has shown up in the late afternoon. I should have known that this would be the one to show up at 10 am. Since I leave for work tomorrow at 1 pm, I fully expect him to show up at 2 pm.

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They have arrived!!!!


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Lies...lol...pictures!

Check my thread! They are installed and rocking as I type this post!!

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Check my thread! They are installed and rocking as I type this post!!

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Too funny!

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The PB12-NSD is a good sub but the XV15 does offer better performance.

Here's a link to a graph from data-bass.com on the PB12-NSD that allows you to compare it to the XV15, you just need to select it in the drop down bar.
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=66&mset=71

Are you past the 30 days on the PB12-NSD for being able to return it?

Interesting link.

I'm in the early stages of looking for an upgrade to my SVS 16-46PC+ that I've enjoyed for almost 10yrs.

I noticed that the distortion figures were a bit higher for the XV15 than the SVS subs. Some of the distortion figures seemed very high. How significant is this?

For reference I think I've narrowed my choices so far to Rythmik, SVS, or PSA.

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I have almost saved up enough for th XV15. Got a question for others who received the XV15. How well us the sub packed? Are there double boxes? Reason for asking is I will use a receiving depot across the border and I cannot depend on them to take extra precaution with such a heavy load.

Also if there is damage, how does shipping insurance work in the US?
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I have almost saved up enough for th XV15. Got a question for others who received the XV15. How well us the sub packed? Are there double boxes? Reason for asking is I will use a receiving depot across the border and I cannot depend on them to take extra precaution with such a heavy load.

Also if there is damage, how does shipping insurance work in the US?

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my xv15's were not double boxed, but they were packaged very well. 4" heavy duty foam padding on all sides/corners.

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I have almost saved up enough for th XV15. Got a question for others who received the XV15. How well us the sub packed? Are there double boxes? Reason for asking is I will use a receiving depot across the border and I cannot depend on them to take extra precaution with such a heavy load.

Also if there is damage, how does shipping insurance work in the US?

Good question. I'll be doing the same, but with an XS30. I live in southern Saskatchewan. Will be picking up from a depot in Montana.

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biggrin.gif:DYay, my XS-30 is out for delivery, should be here by 4pm.

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my xv15's were not double boxed, but they were packaged very well. 4" heavy duty foam padding on all sides/corners.

I am cringing even if there is a double box. I can see the sub being dropped during receiving yikes! Paranoia setting in!
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biggrin.gif:DYay, my XS-30 is out for delivery, should be here by 4pm.

The wonders of the tracking feature.

Congrats. biggrin.gif
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I am cringing even if there is a double box. I can see the sub being dropped during receiving yikes! Paranoia setting in!
I,wouldnt worrie to much, if you have any questions , i would call Tom at PSA.

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I will do that, cant wait, i dont think it will be here for awhile, it says im stop 13.

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The wonders of the tracking feature.

Congrats. biggrin.gif
Thanks, what would i do without the tracking feature?

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