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Got a question Hop, do you have your V3600 plugged into a separate circuit in you house, or do you run your V3600 and XV15SE all on the same circuit. If so, do you have nay power issues? I guess I should have asked you and others about this, as I have 2 XV15SEs, and after rolling in my sleep the last two nights, I ordered a V3600 They will be all in the same room for now, but the XV15s will be in one corner maybe stacked, and then the V3600 near field behind the couch, about 15 feet away. Any suggestions! Thanks Russ
funny you should ask this. My wife just texted me from upstairs that when the bass kicks in hard, the lights upstairs flicker. Not sure how that can happen cause although the Ht isn't technically on its own circuit (it shares it with the lights in the rest of the basement which are always off when I'm in the Ht) but it's not on the same circuit as the 3rd floor bedrooms

Anyhow. Starting to think I should have run a full separate 20a circuit.
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This is probably a post that is made quite often here but I received my PSA XS15se today and it's amazing. I'm upgrading from an 8inch Klipsch KWS100 from the mid 1990's (first speaker I bought with my own money) and its obvious that I have been missing out on serious bass. For music, the sub disappears blending seamlessly with my JBL Studio 530's. The combination is remarkable. I'm more than happy.

I've never felt bass like this in my 5.1 setup before. Paired with Def Tech 2002 BP fronts, an Andrew Jones Pioneer Center channel and Def Tech Dr-7 rears, Kung Fu Panda (yes, I have young children) sounds phenomenal. I think the room shifted a few inches during the final battle scene.

I still have a few things to upgrade and I'm ready to start looking at screens/projectors, but this PSA sub provides a really rock solid foundation to build from. I'll be a repeat customer.

Thanks, Nathan
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That's what it's all about verynate. Enjoy your new sub and congratulations on the discovery of great bass.
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Got a question Hop, do you have your V3600 plugged into a separate circuit in you house, or do you run your V3600 and XV15SE all on the same circuit. If so, do you have nay power issues? I guess I should have asked you and others about this, as I have 2 XV15SEs, and after rolling in my sleep the last two nights, I ordered a V3600 They will be all in the same room for now, but the XV15s will be in one corner maybe stacked, and then the V3600 near field behind the couch, about 15 feet away. Any suggestions! Thanks Russ
Good question. I do have the two subs on the same circuit and it's not a dedicated circuit. I haven't had any issues when the subs kick in. At least not that I've noticed.

You are going to have fun with dual XV15se's and a V3600! I don't know what it will do to your circuits but be warned, the V3600 has the potential to change the air pressure throughout the entire house. Which is pretty cool... in my humble opinion!
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i now got my 3600 dialed in pretty good with my 2 pb12 nsd subs the sound is incredible
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i now got my 3600 dialed in pretty good with my 2 pb12 nsd subs the sound is incredible
Describe "Incredible"…….please.
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Describe "Incredible"…….please.
where do i begin i think you know hop what i mean i stacked the nsd.s behind my seats with the 3600 under the screen everything just pounds.i have not even tried a movie yet just music
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i now got my 3600 dialed in pretty good with my 2 pb12 nsd subs the sound is incredible
Glad to hear it Eric! That photo of you with the v3600 was just priceless!

How did you end up integrating all the subs?
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Glad to hear it Eric! That photo of you with the v3600 was just priceless!

How did you end up integrating all the subs?
lol i thought it would be cool to show just how big this sub is.i stacked the nsd subs together behind my seats with the 3600 under my screen it sounds so good like this
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lol i thought it would be cool to show just how big this sub is.i stacked the nsd subs together behind my seats with the 3600 under my screen it sounds so good like this
Glad to hear it man, I wasn't sure how well that would work but it's good to hear it went well.

So next question is, what have you been listening to on them? Are you a movie guy or music?

Edit: lol I see I missed a post that you have only done music so far, no movies. What music though?

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Glad to hear it man, I wasn't sure how well that would work but it's good to hear it went well.

So next question is, what have you been listening to on them? Are you a movie guy or music?
first thing i watched was metallica through never 3d it was awesome
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first movie will be kingsman just about to start it
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Just wanted to post a quick Thank You to Tom. I placed an order for a b stock XV15se and due to a computer inventory glitch, there were actually none left in the warehouse. Tom explained the situation to me, laid out my options, and let me know he would put one together the following day and ship it out the day after. Sure enough, it just took him one day to add it to his punch list and crank it out. Sub arrived perfect and the return process for the sub going back was super easy.

I am only just starting to enjoy it now as I stop messing with the settings and enjoy it with music, but I am very impressed with it, not just for its robust output but its nuance with music. It's taken me quite a few different subs to find one I could cross above 100 hz with my speakers, but so far so good with the XV15se. It blends really well and gives me the sound that I thought I would only find with a robust sealed sub. Also the port is just over 2 inches off the back wall (this was always a concern of mine so had always ruled out the XV design), but really do not have issues with port noise. This sub really is great value. Anyone who is on the fence on the V1500 or V1800 should give a couple XVs a try first. Anyways....Thanks Tom!
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first thing i watched was metallica through never 3d it was awesome
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first thing i watched was metallica through never 3d it was awesome
Great disc!! Unfortunately my Through the Never 3d disc is out in Kansas City and wont be back until Thanksgiving. Would love to throw that on when the new speakers/sub get here.

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This is probably a post that is made quite often here but I received my PSA XS15se today and it's amazing. I'm upgrading from an 8inch Klipsch KWS100 from the mid 1990's (first speaker I bought with my own money) and its obvious that I have been missing out on serious bass. For music, the sub disappears blending seamlessly with my JBL Studio 530's. The combination is remarkable. I'm more than happy.
Congratulations! Not only on your XS15se, but also on your choice of speakers (the JBL 530s). I've heard a lot of great things about those JBLs.

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Oh I totally agree. The issue isn't that I need another sub in the cave, the V3600 and XV15 play well together (now that I have things dialed in) and I have PLENTY of power. So no need to upgrade there.

However…. there is a need for an upgrade in the living room. Even my wife agrees that we need to do something. You see, the problem is I have (hold on you're going to laugh at this) a little teeny tiny Polk PSW 111 (8 inch 300 watt) sub in the living room set up. I have an open floor plan for the 1st and 2nd story of my house. And when I say open I mean OPEN! At least 12,000 cu ft of open space (and that's if the kids close their bedroom doors).

We don't do serious movie watching in the living room so I'm not concerned with pressurizing the entire area but we do listen to a lot of music so a good subwoofer is needed. The PSW 111 does make some noise but it's a boomy one note subwoofer. Since I already have an excellent sub in the home my thought is to move it upstairs (effectively upgrading that system) and then get the V1800 to couple with the V3600.
Hmm then if you wife agrees why not.

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Here is my technical question for you guys. My sub usually ends up in my front right corner would it be better to have one driver facing me and one driver facing the back wall or one driver facing the right wall and one facing my little towers? Here is a pic of the corner with an SVS pc2000 on top of the S1500.
More importantly, don't get REW and measure whats going on. You won't like the cancellation that you are getting in the low bass from mixing a sealed sub with a ported sub. For music though, I would recommend spreading the subs out into opposite corners, although measuring is the best way to have any chance of setting them up properly to get the benefit of dual subs. Even mixing alignments like you have done, you will usually end up with a much better response in the music region 40Hz+ when the two subs are properly set up.

Personally, I have found that which way the drivers face, or even moving them around a foot in either direction from a corner has little to no effect on FR.
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funny you should ask this. My wife just texted me from upstairs that when the bass kicks in hard, the lights upstairs flicker. Not sure how that can happen cause although the Ht isn't technically on its own circuit (it shares it with the lights in the rest of the basement which are always off when I'm in the Ht) but it's not on the same circuit as the 3rd floor bedrooms

Anyhow. Starting to think I should have run a full separate 20a circuit.
You might want to check and make sure something isn't loose. Funny story. I had this issue with a bathroom light fixture in the basement. Sub rattled a loose bulb while the wife was in there and it lost contact to the socket. Light goes out. She wasn't happy. Of course I did it on purpose.
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This is probably a post that is made quite often here but I received my PSA XS15se today and it's amazing. I'm upgrading from an 8inch Klipsch KWS100 from the mid 1990's (first speaker I bought with my own money) and its obvious that I have been missing out on serious bass. For music, the sub disappears blending seamlessly with my JBL Studio 530's. The combination is remarkable. I'm more than happy.

I've never felt bass like this in my 5.1 setup before. Paired with Def Tech 2002 BP fronts, an Andrew Jones Pioneer Center channel and Def Tech Dr-7 rears, Kung Fu Panda (yes, I have young children) sounds phenomenal. I think the room shifted a few inches during the final battle scene.

I still have a few things to upgrade and I'm ready to start looking at screens/projectors, but this PSA sub provides a really rock solid foundation to build from. I'll be a repeat customer.

Thanks, Nathan
Congrats !!

This really is where it all starts and goes uphill from here-or downhill if your significant other opposes constant change

I started the same way 3 years ago after many years running a Boston Acoustic 10" ported sub with a 150 watt amp and then going to a single XS30, now have dual 3000i and my 25+ year old Klipsch Forte's/RC 3 have been replaced with 3 PSA 210's

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Are you sure it's the same amp? Isn't the S3000i the sub with two 15 inch drivers and the 1700 watt ICE amp? The V1800 has the 725 watt amp.


Assuming two different amps. If the two subs are driven to the same sound level would they draw about the same amount of juice?


I am guessing I might be ok. Your previous post got me thinking. 20 amps is a lot. I have a 20 amp circuit, But the Marantz 6005 AVR and Panasonic 65 plasma TV and SVS PC13 Ultra also have a draw and I assume the AVR and subs peak at the same time. I don't know the delay in a circuit breaker and what peak load they can handle. I am fine with my current set up which includes an SVS PC13 Ultra. I am thinking of adding the V1800. I am hoping I can integrate it, I'll try the Kill a Watt on the SVS and see what it reads. I would guess the V1800 would draw a similar amount of juice if the volume is similar to the SVS.
Oh my, yes, I was mistaken! Thank you for noticing - If we take (27*725)/1700=11.5 amps. So basically, any number I wrote, you can take 42.6% of the value and that is an approximation as to what numbers I used above. So if I pulled 27 amps with the 1700W amp, then the 725W (PSA-rated) should be able to pull about 42.6% of the power. I like math.

Keep in mind, that was a peak value and the 20A circuit I had for it was delivering power without issues. I will say that despite being on a separate breaker, the lights in my house still were dimming SLIGHTLY from the draw.

While the logic is there, I don't think the SVS are entirely capable of pulling the same draws of power. Only ONCE was I ever able to trip a breaker with my dual SB13 Ultras (on the same circuit as my AVR, HT gear, TV, etc) on the opening of the Edge of Tomorrow and that was me just being stupid with the MV controls, which I believe I was around -10dB on the AVR. Looking at my math above, I have no doubt that if you ran the V1800 on the same circuit as your main equipment, you could certainly exceed the breaker's capacity and trip it.

These ICE amps are serious business; they enjoy power like Charlie Sheen enjoys cocaine! Not saying it's a bad thing at all, but I would strongly recommend a separate subwoofer circuit for you guys running duals or more! When they are being under powered, you will hear a sort of 'cackle' sound from the driver not getting enough juice from the amp. I first thought I had a defective unit, which is where my testing began. I never pushed it that hard again until I figured out what was going on. Lo and behold, it was just crying for some more juice.

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More importantly, don't get REW and measure whats going on. You won't like the cancellation that you are getting in the low bass from mixing a sealed sub with a ported sub. For music though, I would recommend spreading the subs out into opposite corners, although measuring is the best way to have any chance of setting them up properly to get the benefit of dual subs. Even mixing alignments like you have done, you will usually end up with a much better response in the music region 40Hz+ when the two subs are properly set up.

Personally, I have found that which way the drivers face, or even moving them around a foot in either direction from a corner has little to no effect on FR.
Hey bear, I dont have to worry about cancellation because I only have one sub. I was just using that picture to show the corner I do need to get REW but I just spent all my money on a sub
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where do i begin i think you know hop what i mean i stacked the nsd.s behind my seats with the 3600 under the screen everything just pounds.i have not even tried a movie yet just music
Yeah I do know but it's a lot of fun to read and enjoy other's experiences. That's great that you have it dialed in and are enjoying it.
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Um….Well……. She agrees SOMETHING needs to be done but I'm not sure she agrees we need to buy the V1800 right now.

Do you think she would notice if the Fed Ex guy left a V1800 on the front porch?

I doubt I can do it right now. But it's an incredible deal that's for sure.
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Um….Well……. She agrees SOMETHING needs to be done but I'm not sure she agrees we need to buy the V1800 right now.

Do you think she would notice if the Fed Ex guy left a V1800 on the front porch?

I doubt I can do it right now. But it's an incredible deal that's for sure.
Hop, your situation is very simple. As Jeff suggested earlier, get another V3600i and put some cushions on it. Build a couch around it and have the subs face the bottom. When it arrives to your house, tell your wife it's a new salt water fish tank! Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

Oh, I forgot to upload this earlier. Enjoy!

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Hop, your situation is very simple. As Jeff suggested earlier, get another V3600i and put some cushions on it. Build a couch around it and have the subs face the bottom. When it arrives to your house, tell your wife it's a new salt water fish tank! Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

Oh, I forgot to upload this earlier. Enjoy!

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True, but it's not a TON of space either. Those are my neighbor's Klipsch F3 towers with dual 8" and the center is the Klipsch RC-62 II. They look like 4" midrange speakers in the picture - it's pretty deceiving, to say the very least! This is only temporary as the normal setup would allow the speaker to breathe a little more with space around it and further from the wall. But squeezing the V3600i in there was like helping a size 4 woman get into a size 2 dress.

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Hop, your situation is very simple. As Jeff suggested earlier, get another V3600i and put some cushions on it. Build a couch around it and have the subs face the bottom. When it arrives to your house, tell your wife it's a new salt water fish tank! Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

Oh, I forgot to upload this earlier. Enjoy!

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That flat out looks scary .

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Hop, your situation is very simple. As Jeff suggested earlier, get another V3600i and put some cushions on it. Build a couch around it and have the subs face the bottom. When it arrives to your house, tell your wife it's a new salt water fish tank! Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

Oh, I forgot to upload this earlier. Enjoy!

Travis
Large subs, small TV. I have the opposite.
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