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Yeah, that meter is A weighting only. You need something with C weighting for bass checks. Here is a graph that shows the difference in scaling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-weighting

The Rat shack meters work fine. I have this one here in the office and it works the same---probably the same mic element on most of the cheap meters.

http://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Frequen...ords=spl+meter

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Hi, Tom, thanks for the information!

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Are you considering REW? I ask since you mentioned looking at the help guide.....

If so, you can skip the SPL meter because if you get the UMIK-1 (available from PSA as well as other vendors) and use REW, you will essentially have a very good, calibrated SPL meter (that will do a ton of other stuff).
Hi, Alan, thanks as well for this information! This sounds like it could be a good idea. My biggest concern is how to use it as I know REW was suggested, but I have never used it and am just reading up trying to understand how to begin. While I don't mind learning and enjoy the challenge, is going this route ok for a beginner like me?
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Ohhhh man…. I just looked at the V1800 on the website. I shouldn't have done that.

All along my ultimate plan has been to move my XV15se upstairs to replace my little Polk sub. Then I would couple my V3600 with a V1800. I wanted to wait to save up for this upgrade. But after seeing the V1800 on the website I find waiting just got a little harder.

My problem is I'm a bargain hunter and seeing the $1499 crossed out and the $1249 next to it is hard form me to ignore. Looks like it's time to sell some plasma and perhaps a Kidney as well.
Hop, as much fun as spending other peoples money is, I don't know if you need another sub. I would talk to Tom before you drop money for another sub. Just a thought.

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Well guys I finally made up my mind and ordered my xs30se today. I was tempted to try another brand but I stuck to what I know worked for me. I just wish I would have remembered to order a tshirt with it lol. Its a great time time to be a sub shopper right now with so many great products on the market.
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jd10ac,

I had a XS30se in the past. It is a formidable subwoofer. Made me (and my wife) grin from ear to ear while watching both movies and music! You're in for a treat.
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Well guys I finally made up my mind and ordered my xs30se today. I was tempted to try another brand but I stuck to what I know worked for me. I just wish I would have remembered to order a tshirt with it lol. Its a great time time to be a sub shopper right now with so many great products on the market.
The great thing about your choice is even if it's not the one for you. You benefit from the perk of PSA's free shipping both ways.
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Ohhhh man…. I just looked at the V1800 on the website. I shouldn't have done that.


My problem is I'm a bargain hunter and seeing the $1499 crossed out and the $1249 next to it is hard form me to ignore. Looks like it's time to sell some plasma and perhaps a Kidney as well.
Ha yeah - I'm the exact same. Ibe been *this* close to pulling the trigger a few times, even though I know I'm not going to notice any difference in subs (given my listening habits).

I should just quit avs
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The great thing about your choice is even if it's not the one for you. You benefit from the perk of PSA's free shipping both ways.
This will be my third psa sub in a year, I'm starting to think its an addiction. I was very tempted to get the new 1800 but I really like sealed and wanted to try the dual opposed setup.
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This will be my third psa sub in a year, I'm starting to think its an addiction. I was very tempted to get the new 1800 but I really like sealed and wanted to try the dual opposed setup.
Just curious,what other 2 subs did you try?
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Hi, Alan, thanks as well for this information! This sounds like it could be a good idea. My biggest concern is how to use it as I know REW was suggested, but I have never used it and am just reading up trying to understand how to begin. While I don't mind learning and enjoy the challenge, is going this route ok for a beginner like me?
Well, using REW as just an SPL meter is about as simple as it gets.

I'm assuming that you would like to measure your system as well though, right??

In that case, take a look at the REW link in my sig, it's a very good primer (not mine, put together by AustinJerry). It's kind of hard to tell how easy it is without the software in front of you, so download a copy of REW and check out the guide!

A Windows laptop with HDMI out is the preferred hardware, but not an absolute necessity. REW can still be used with analog connections (i.e. headphone out or line out) from a laptop or PC. It can also be used on a Mac and there are steps in the guide for that as well.
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Just curious,what other 2 subs did you try?
I had a xv15se in our old house which was much smaller and ending up breaking some of the wifes dishes with it when it shook them off the counter so it had to go back. I exchanged the XV15se for an S1500 which met my needs and had the wifes approval but after a friend heard my setup he started building his own. I gave my friend a good deal on the S1500 which led to the xs30. All of the subs that I have had have impressed me with their performance and the wife is actually a huge fan of the standard satin black.
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Guys I got my XS15SE one word WOW! Did a calibration via Arc2 looks like it did a very good job. A lot of reviewing movies now! !
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Here is my technical question for you guys. My sub usually ends up in my front right corner would it be better to have one driver facing me and one driver facing the back wall or one driver facing the right wall and one facing my little towers? Here is a pic of the corner with an SVS pc2000 on top of the S1500.
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Guys I got my XS15SE one word WOW! Did a calibration via Arc2 looks like it did a very good job. A lot of reviewing movies now! !
Skip, glad to hear you like it. I told you that you couldn't go wrong with PSA. Congrats and enjoy your favorite movies all over again. Don't forget to test out some music on it.
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Skip, glad to hear you like it. I told you that you couldn't go wrong with PSA. Congrats and enjoy your favorite movies all over again. Don't forget to test out some music on it.
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Here is my technical question for you guys. My sub usually ends up in my front right corner would it be better to have one driver facing me and one driver facing the back wall or one driver facing the right wall and one facing my little towers? Here is a pic of the corner with an SVS pc2000 on top of the S1500.
Are you going to try and integrate the pc2000 with the xs30?
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All three could be considered. The V1500 and V1800 will share similar extension and overall sound quality. The V1800 will have an edge in overall output down low and a pretty big advantage in headroom in the mid and upper bass.

The S3000i will more than hold its own against the V1500. The V1800 comparison is a little more difficult though. The S3000i has the potential to extend much deeper(say 6-8hz versus 15hz or so). Output will be sort of a tilted effect. The midbass will be close. The V1800 will have the edge in the 15-30hz range but the S3000i will pull away in the upper bass. I bet if you had one of each in the room you wouldn't have a consistent preference either way. Perhaps a SLIGHT edge to the S3000i if you enjoyed music discs at "concert" levels..

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Thanks for the great answer Tom.
Fairly certain I'll get a V1800. I'll shoot off an email to Peter and hopefully he'll be able to do nice pre-order deal
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Are you going to try and integrate the pc2000 with the xs30?
No Sir, the PC2000 was my friends who purchased the S1500 from me. We were just doing some comparison in my room against the S1500. The PC2000 was shipped back to Svs and he now owns the S1500.
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Thanks. I have been through 5 subs in the last year and a half!! SVS Pb 10, NSD PB12, PC12Plus,XV15se and now s3000i !!!! I think I'm good now with the 3000. Hopefully


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I went through a very close progression

Sb12-pb12-xv15----xs30-dualxs30--triple xs30

I am incredibly happy with my bass setup
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Thanks. I have been through 5 subs in the last year and a half!! SVS Pb 10, NSD PB12, PC12Plus,XV15se and now s3000i !!!! I think I'm good now with the 3000. Hopefully
But the v1800 just came out so can you be sure. I wanted the 3000 but when I started looking a subs my budget was 600 then 800 then 1000 now 1250, it has to stop somewhere.
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But the v1800 just came out so can you be sure. I wanted the 3000 but when I started looking a subs my budget was 600 then 800 then 1000 now 1250, it has to stop somewhere.

I have to admit I chatted with Tom briefly about the V18. He said it would be at most a lateral move to possibly a slight downgrade.


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Sb12-pb12-xv15----xs30-dualxs30--triple xs30----quadruple xs30 --- quintuple xs30...

I am incredibly happy with my bass setup
Brian, you have a disease.
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I have probably driven Tom crazy the last couple of days going back and forth between the V1500, 1800, xs30 and the S3000. I really appreciate his patience.
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Do you still have to set the gain a little higher on the Bash amps and also is it better to use both rca plugs for the summing capabilities?
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Well, using REW as just an SPL meter is about as simple as it gets.

I'm assuming that you would like to measure your system as well though, right??

In that case, take a look at the REW link in my sig, it's a very good primer (not mine, put together by AustinJerry). It's kind of hard to tell how easy it is without the software in front of you, so download a copy of REW and check out the guide!

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That's good to hear, although it might not be simple for me! Not sure how I missed the link in your sig, thanks for pointing that out. I had searched and found that thread and while overwhelming at first, it seems alot of the help I need is there. I'll definitely print off this guide before I leave work today, ha.

I have an HTPC in my room that I use for gaming that is connected to my receiver. I only have one HDMI port in my video card that goes to one of the slots on my receiver, so perhaps I can just use the analog connections on my computer.

I'll definitely check this out and order the mic from Tom. Thanks again for your help and suggestions!
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I have probably driven Tom crazy the last couple of days going back and forth between the V1500, 1800, xs30 and the S3000. I really appreciate his patience.
No worries at all, our chat feature has been very busy the past few months and it's always a lot of fun interacting with fellow audio enthusiasts..

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Do you still have to set the gain a little higher on the Bash amps and also is it better to use both rca plugs for the summing capabilities?
The BASH amps do need the gain control to be set a little higher to achieve the same output levels.

You can use a split and hit both inputs for a voltage gain to give you 6dB more signal strength on all BASH amps and any ICE amp we have shipped since mid April. This can help with receivers that may have weaker subwoofer output signals(Newer Yamaha for example). And it can also help if someone is having auto-on problems.

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Thanks. I have been through 5 subs in the last year and a half!! SVS Pb 10, NSD PB12, PC12Plus,XV15se and now s3000i !!!! I think I'm good now with the 3000. Hopefully
I was there about 3 weeks ago and then my mind started wandering. "Well gee, if I like 1 so much, I must love 2, right!?" Needless to say, I'm currently demoing 2xS3000i and 1xV3600i. In the same house now, as of last night. (easier to move the S3000i to my neighbors than haul the V3600 to mine, so it was a no-brainer) Going to give the drywall a run for the money! I'm not so sure we are going to do compression tests, but it's my neighbor's wife's birthday this weekend, so I'll likely bring my testing gear over early next week or later this weekend to grab some numbers.

I've been battling some hums in my house with the PSAs and have done extensive testing. My only reference was my twin SB13U, which do not exhibit this hum, despite being connected in the same fashion and to the same equipment. To sum up the last two weeks in a few words, my TiVo with connected coax from my cable provider was the culprit. (not terribly surprised, though!) However, my first S3000i has a (seemingly) dysfunctional amp. It hums no matter what, which made my troubleshooting pretty tough. (naked, RCA to nothing, RCA to receiver, different receiver, different isolated power source, different house) It's a similar tone to the coax-induced hum and the energy is a bit different in strength. I have been told my hearing is ridiculous, so I think I am sensitive to things like that and they stand out. It made quiet conversations onscreen and late-night TV viewing unpleasant because that's all my brain could focus on hearing. I've been talking with @drussell as well since he got his S3000i around the same time I did, so I was wondering if it was a batch thing or was the norm.

Some neat things I discovered, which also was news to Tom, during my troubleshooting is that these ICE amps can really pull power! I mean, serious power. (he knew that much already ) At the breaker on an isolated circuit, I measured just over 27 amps of peak pull! On a single S3000i! The average during the 'test song' was around 20 amps. If you are planning to dig low a lot, you may want to consider a dedicated circuit in your design. I never thought I'd be "that guy" who has dedicated circuits for his home theater, but it looks like things are going to change! Tom later informed me that the amps have a theoretical output of 30 amps. I kept blowing my standard 15 amp circuit when I would play the song, so I had to dig out the multimeter and uncover my breaker panel to measure accurately with my hoop and diagnose what was going on.

The test 'song' I used above is
particular version of Bass I Love You played from an Apple TV at -16MV on my Yamaha A3040 with the gains at 10 o'clock on S3000i, room size Large, calibrated with the Anti-Mode 8033S-II, and 0 level in the AVR with 0dB subwoofer trim and bypass bass.
is probably the most fun to play, though. If your wife ever tasks you with cleaning the light ducting out, just crank that song. It had the light housing in my ceiling lights levitating, raining dust and dry wall on our heads. The twin S3000i setup 'made it rain' in the most literal sense.

I consider myself a picky person when it comes to sound, so I am a hard guy to impress a lot of the time. But these S3000i are no joke - it's almost a silly amount of bass in such a tiny cab. Yes, I said TINY. At least when compared to my neighbor's V3600i, which I dubbed the "black sarcophagus"!

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I would feel very comfortable rating the V1800 at 1200 watts

I am more concerned about the draw on my circuit. How many amps might a watt meter see with the V1800 running at low to medium levels?
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