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I can feel vibrations in my couch @ -30 from reference. Gotta luv nearfield!! Reference is so violent you can barely focus on the movie. You literally start reaching for the "O ****" handles and praying for a seatbelt to strap in!!
Hey Bass, what is the "O ****" handles, I'm a little dense, maybe old age is creeping in...
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"Shirt..." -r
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It’s now been over a week since returning the S3000i …

Back at post number 21,324 on page 711, I mentioned returner’s remorse. We’ve all heard of buyer’s remorse, but what about returner’s remorse? Anyone ever have this medical condition? As I mentioned in my above previous post, I felt it a bit when I boxed the S3000i back up, and more so when the Fed Ex guy rolled it out to his truck the next day. It is now eight days later and here I’m sitting with my XS30 and getting solid tactile feel, yet not with quite the deep intensity and vibration of the S3000i, even though I had handcuffed the S3000i during my audition to get both subs to play nice together. I keep thinking that perhaps I should have just sold the XS30 and kept the S3000i, thus going with a single sub, but that was never in my original plan. As I listen to, and feel, the barrel roll on FotP, the monument collapsing on OHF, and the black hole sequence on Interstellar, it’s just not quite the same as it was with the S3000i. While the differences aren’t major, they are enough to where I now find myself missing that extra very deep capability. It shows itself in the intensity of the couch vibrating my back and seat. Once one hears and feels even a small difference, it becomes a bit more difficult to be satisfied knowing I now have less. Then I remember what the S3000i did to my bookcase . That takes away much of the pain, but not all of it. If anyone has ever had this debilitating condition of returner’s remorse, does it go away soon?

Anyway, for those thinking about replacing their XS30 with the S3000i, my experience may have mislead you. As I reread what I wrote while testing (such as on page 698), it may have appeared that I didn’t think much of the S3000i’s capability, but that’s simply not true. While I may not have cranked it to output levels most people use, I can assure you the S3000i is a more powerful and refined subwoofer than the XS30, with deeper ULF capability. It has a greater tactile feel (noticeable, but again, not a big difference in my room, but an important one as I now have discovered) when played at the SAME dB levels as the XS30. The S3000i will obviously hit greater dB levels with less effort for those looking to attain near reference or reference levels, which is the reason many have reported that there was a large difference between the two subs (that, and room conditions). When I stated the S3000i was like taming a tiger, that is exactly how I felt when I first turned up the gain and began testing. It was the same throughout the audition. This was a much different feeling than what I had with the XS30. The S3000i is clearer and cleaner for music and passed every difficult test I threw at it. There was a very noticeable improvement in detail (no direct A-B comparison needed, but I A-B compared them anyway). If I had chosen an XS30se, I would expect similar results as I received from the S3000i vs my XS30. While I’ve never auditioned the XS30se, from all reports (and by those using one of the music examples I used for testing) I would certainly assume the “se” is just as good for music reproduction as the S3000i and will be a much closer match to the S3000i than the original XS30 for movies.

So for those wanting to replace the XS30, the S3000 is an excellent investment and well worth the small increase in price (I’m also pretty convinced that the XS30se would be just as good of an investment). For those wanting to integrate the XS30 and S3000i, your mileage may vary from mine, but I wouldn’t think by much. Anytime one ties the hands of one sub to integrate with another, one can’t expect a sonic revelation.
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Just watched the Incredible Hulk all the way through this time (not just the prime demo scenes). It's bass is really addicting. Even the gunshots were shaking the couch. Good stuff.
Watching Run All Night this past weekend, we got the same from 2 S3000i on gunshots at normal listening levels of -15. Still smiling from these subs !
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It’s now been over a week since returning the S3000i … I mentioned returner’s remorse. We’ve all heard of buyer’s remorse, but what about returner’s remorse? Anyone ever have this medical condition?......

Once one hears and feels even a small difference, it becomes a bit more difficult to be satisfied knowing I now have less. ........
Very interesting perspective and your entire post is very well stated.

When I was testing the single S3000i and thinking that 2 would be very much overkill I spoke with Tom about other options for dual subs. His response was exactly what you stated. If I hadn't heard the S3000i then 2 S1500 or 2 V1500 might work, but now those are not real options.

Overall 2 s3000i could destroy this room if totally unleashed, but together and dialed in they enhance each other and offer outstanding FR across many listening positions.

God help us if PSA releases an S3600
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I don't know what's worse, upgraditis or the 'what if' feeling.

I think the feeling will go awat, drussell. It might just take a while
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FYI, guys:

B-stock at the PSA website:

- one S3000i: $1,349.99 ($150 discount)

- one XV15se: $799.99 ($100 discount)


Also, @Tom Vodhanel , please remove the veneered pictures of the S3000i from the website! It's too pretty it hurts my eyes and my wallet starts talking and oh no my wife might kill me.
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FYI, guys:

B-stock at the PSA website:

- one S3000i: $1,349.99 ($150 discount)

- one XV15se: $799.99 ($100 discount)
I guarantee people here, that S3000i in B-stock has very low mileage .
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To be honest this does not surprise me because your initial impressions between the two left me slightly confused. I agree you should of setup each sub indepedently to compare the differences instead of trying to integrate them without measuring gear. I remember the first day setting up dual XV15's all to be underwhelmed because the response was terrible and they were fighting eachother. It took a lot of time moving, tweaking, measuring...etc to dial them in.
You are correct, basshead. In trying to integrate both, I never gave the S3000i the credit it deserved. This became more apparent this past week. That’s why I posted what I did above. I should have moved the sub to different locations, just to see what would have happened (even if I wouldn’t end up keeping the sub there). I knew if I wanted to keep both subs, I’d need a calibrated microphone and REW (and borrow my son’s old Macbook Pro) to dial them in properly. But I was running out of time and had plenty on my plate during the audition. Such is life ... even for a retiree.
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No worries...it is apparent that the difference was not night and day for you, so that goes to show just how great the original XS30 is. I say just keep the XS30 and enjoy, just because all these fancy new subs are out does not mean our stuff is junk. I enjoy my XV15se's everyday.

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I don't know what's worse, upgraditis or the 'what if' feeling.
To me the "What if" feeling is far worse than upgraditis.

However, sadly there are times the "What If" feeling leads to upgraditis and that's even worse, then you have two dysfunctional thought patterns to deal with.
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dsrussell I respect your inner strength and self control. I don't think I could have done what you did. If I had been in your situation the "What if" thoughts would have kept me from sending it back even if I knew I didn't really need it. So I think you should be applauded for your ability to stick to your guns.
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This is so strange. I see dsrussell's post but I don't see baseheads reply. But I see it quoted in dsrussell's 2nd post.
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dsrussell I respect your inner strength and self control. I don't think I could have done what you did. If I had been in your situation the "What if" thoughts would have kept me from sending it back even if I knew I didn't really need it. So I think you should be applauded for your ability to stick to your guns.
Hello, Hop! To tell you the truth, I think it was my bookcase that told me to reevaluate. You wouldn’t believe how loudly that huge, heavy piece of furniture vibrated. I have never heard anything like it. I’m use to going around and silencing rattles and minor vibration issues, and have been pretty successful doing so, that is, until the bookcase went absolutely nuts. I wouldn’t even know where to begin, but that S3000i certainly found the frequency weakness of that bookcase. You’ve heard about sound waves breaking crystal, but this was so serious I was afraid my bookcase (with fixed shelving, not adjustable) was going to fall apart. The strange thing is, I have an identical bookcase on the other side of the couch that didn’t even peep. Just plain weird.

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^^^

You should have got some video of that, I would have liked to have seen that.
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This is @drussell right now:

"Your XS30 is more than enough. No need for the S3000i."



and

"S3000i? Go for the T-18! Make it duals!"


Yippee-ki-yay...
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Two V3600's with minor blemishes were put up on PSA's Facebook page. 1999 each. If only i had the space and the cash.
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Two V3600's with minor blemishes were put up on PSA's Facebook page. 1999 each. If only i had the space and the cash.
I feel the same way. I think I found a place to put a 2nd v3600 but I lack the cash right now. I don't need a 2nd v3600 mind you. But after experiencing one I find myself wondering what duals would be like. This bass stuff is a sickness.

Oh... if only I were a millionaire.
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I'm sorry but I still don't get this, just like Russell I am a retiree as well, is it our ages or am I just dense............
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Hey Jeff… S..H..I..R..T. Now remove the R from that word and you end up with a four letter word we aren't supposed to mention in the threads.
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Two V3600's with minor blemishes were put up on PSA's Facebook page. 1999 each. If only i had the space and the cash.
Those are the two BIG ifs
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This is so strange. I see dsrussell's post but I don't see baseheads reply. But I see it quoted in dsrussell's 2nd post.
Some how it was deleted...I have had this happen posting from my Note 3 before.

Jeffery, have you seen those handles above the window in vehicles? Around these parts we call them "O' S***T" handles because that is what you reach for and yell right before crashing. I need these above my couch on demo nights.

You can measure your subs tactile response with a smartphone. All you need is to download the app "Vibrometer" which measure vibrations using the richter scale. If you can hit 7.0 then you have a idea what it feels like to watch movies at my house @ reference level.
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I feel the same way. I think I found a place to put a 2nd v3600 but I lack the cash right now. I don't need a 2nd v3600 mind you. But after experiencing one I find myself wondering what duals would be like. This bass stuff is a sickness.

Oh... if only I were a millionaire.
i just could not imagine a 2nd v3600 i spent the day trying to stop all the rattles its causing lol
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OK guys thanks for the clarification with O S***T, I told you I was dense.......

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Cheers Jeffrey
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