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Some how it was deleted...I have had this happen posting from my Note 3 before.

Jeffery, have you seen those handles above the window in vehicles? Around these parts we call them "O' S***T" handles because that is what you reach for and yell right before crashing. I need these above my couch on demo nights.

You can measure your subs tactile response with a smartphone. All you need is to download the app "Vibrometer" which measure vibrations using the richter scale. If you can hit 7.0 then you have a idea what it feels like to watch movies at my house @ reference level.
What does the measurement mean (vibrometer)? Just downloaded it- mm/sec?

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I can't imagine what you would say if you listen to the newer, more powerful ported subs with 2 Ice Amp modules... say the V3600 or my sub...

(Hint: What bookshelf? The whole house is shaking... )
LOL . And congratulations on your JTR Cap 1400!!! I know you must be enjoying it (to say the least).

Other than my very first subwoofer (BIC V1220), I’ve never owned a ported sub. Matter-of-fact, all the subs I’ve tested at audio stores, audio shows and in-home trials were sealed designs (Paradigm, JL Audio, Hsu, DSS, SVS and PSA). Size is the main factor, and why I selected the XS30 and sought the very impressive S3000i, which was near the top end of my size parameter. And any sub I may choose must pass several music tests before I'd consider them (sealed or ported), even for a sub that is mainly for movies.

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Those are all shipped now except one for pickup next week.

Knock on wood but we're actually caught up with everything but the V1800 pre order list now. We hired another employee a couple weeks ago and he's doing very well. Based on current 3-4 quarter projections we'll need another 1-2 before too long though.

Pretty soon we'll have enough here for our own HALO/COD team!

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Tom, send me an application with parameters that define the position, also a breakdown of salary options, this way I can decide if it's worthwhile for me to consider.......

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LOL . And congratulations on your JTR Cap 1400!!! I know you must be enjoying it (to say the least).

Other than my very first subwoofer (BIC V1220), I’ve never owned a ported sub. Matter-of-fact, all the subs I’ve tested at audio stores, audio shows and in-home trials were sealed designs (Paradigm, JL Audio, Hsu, DSS, SVS and PSA). Size is the main factor, and why I selected the XS30 and sought the very impressive S3000i, which was near the top end of my size parameter. And any sub I may choose must pass several music tests before I'd consider them (sealed or ported), even for a sub that is mainly for movies.
Same here regarding never having a ported aside from a Boston Acoustic PV600, and the questions in my head keep nagging. It would be a fun demo to try one or two high power 18" ported subs here but I wouldn't want to do that to a manufacture that might incur the costs of my curiosity. IF PSA releases a high powered V1800 (pure speculation here), I know Tom would say it was not a problem, but it wouldn't be fair to spend their money like that. Then again, Tom would know better than I would if it might even make a difference over my current setup.
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I'm in just the other situation. I've haven't had a high end ID sealed sub but I had an Infinity CSW 10 sealed sub which all in all wasn't bad for a major name brand sub. The SQ was decent but it always seemed to lack the ability to fill my room and watching movies with it was very underwhelming. I actually GAVE it to a friend when I bought my first XV15. That's when I decided I liked the fullness and in your face power I seem to experience with ported subs.

Having said that…I find myself wondering what I would think of a good ID manufacturer's sealed subwoofer because I'm fairly certain my view of sealed was tainted by an underachieving overpriced brand name sub (I only had to pay $200 for it so I didn't pay the $600 MSRP).

So I find myself REALLY wanting to try out a sealed sub. But to try out the S3000i would cost PSA money because I know it would be nothing but an experiment and I would return it. Unless of course, I liked it so much that it usurped my V3600i from it's throne, which I highly doubt would happen.

I guess it's possible it could happen, but for it to happen that S3000i would have to be one pretty incredible sealed subwoofer. From what I've read it sounds like it is a fantastic sub but I don't see it taking down a V3600i on it's own.

Anyway, perhaps some day I'll try out a S3000i for my upstairs. I really want to hear one (imagine that….I'm thinking about subwoofers).
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Same here regarding never having a ported aside from a Boston Acoustic PV600, and the questions in my head keep nagging. It would be a fun demo to try one or two high power 18" ported subs here but I wouldn't want to do that to a manufacture that might incur the costs of my curiosity. IF PSA releases a high powered V1800 (pure speculation here), I know Tom would say it was not a problem, but it wouldn't be fair to spend their money like that. Then again, Tom would know better than I would if it might even make a difference over my current setup.
I understand where you are coming as far as wanting to audition a good ported sub. I do have one location where even the gigantic sealed DSS 24-inch Mariana would fit (so I think I’d have no problem with a ported design), but until I get someone to run the cable (through the walls and up in the attic) I think I’ll pass. Yes, I know I could get a wireless transmitter/receiver, so I do have that option open to me. I also feel that I probably need to put in a 20 Amp service (the S3000i indicated that to me). But any sub must pass music tests first and also pass the MAF (my acceptance factor). Like you and Hopinater, I’m not going to order anything that I’m not 100% serious about keeping. The shipping costs to California is ridiculous. Speaking of sealed designs, I talked to David Gage (DSS) at “The Show” and found he loves sealed designs (same with Mark Seaton, obviously) and wanted to create something to compete with the best designs available (sealed or ported). So there is quite a fan base for sealed subwoofers.
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I'm in just the other situation. I've haven't had a high end ID sealed sub but I had an Infinity CSW 10 sealed sub which all in all wasn't bad for a major name brand sub. The SQ was decent but it always seemed to lack the ability to fill my room and watching movies with it was very underwhelming. I actually GAVE it to a friend when I bought my first XV15. That's when I decided I liked the fullness and in your face power I seem to experience with ported subs.

Having said that…I find myself wondering what I would think of a good ID manufacturer's sealed subwoofer because I'm fairly certain my view of sealed was tainted by an underachieving overpriced brand name sub (I only had to pay $200 for it so I didn't pay the $600 MSRP).

So I find myself REALLY wanting to try out a sealed sub. But to try out the S3000i would cost PSA money because I know it would be nothing but an experiment and I would return it. Unless of course, I liked it so much that it usurped my V3600i from it's throne, which I highly doubt would happen.

I guess it's possible it could happen, but for it to happen that S3000i would have to be one pretty incredible sealed subwoofer. From what I've read it sounds like it is a fantastic sub but I don't see it taking down a V3600i on it's own.

Anyway, perhaps some day I'll try out a S3000i for my upstairs. I really want to hear one (imagine that….I'm thinking about subwoofers).
I would think that as long as you are happy with the music capability of V3600i, it would indeed only be a curiosity factor. I simply cannot imagine you being satisfied with a sealed design, unless you are in a sealed room under 2,000 cu. ft. I also suspect that every time you play a movie, a sealed subwoofer is the last thing on your mind .
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I understand where you are coming as far as wanting to audition a good ported sub. I do have one location where even the gigantic sealed DSS 24-inch Mariana would fit (so I think I’d have no problem with a ported design), but until I get someone to run the cable (through the walls and up in the attic) I think I’ll pass. Yes, I know I could get a wireless transmitter/receiver, so I do have that option open to me. I also feel that I probably need to put in a 20 Amp service (the S3000i indicated that to me). But any sub must pass music tests first and also pass the MAF (my acceptance factor). Like you and Hopinater, I’m not going to order anything that I’m not 100% serious about keeping. The shipping costs to California is ridiculous. Speaking of sealed designs, I talked to David Gage (DSS) at “The Show” and found he loves sealed designs (same with Mark Seaton, obviously) and wanted to create something to compete with the best designs available (sealed or ported). So there is quite a fan base for sealed subwoofers.
I am seriously thinking of running a 20 amp outlet for the 2 subs alone. Currently they are on the same circuit as my AVR and 50" Plasma so I am wondering if that is impeding any of the performance.
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I am seriously thinking of running a 20 amp outlet for the 2 subs alone. Currently they are on the same circuit as my AVR and 50" Plasma so I am wondering if that is impeding any of the performance.
I don’t think your circuit is impeding the performance of the subs. I did get get flickering lights that told me either I was pulling too many Amps or the house was shaking to the point of intermittent contact. Plus each home is wired differently, and sometimes rather oddly (as I found out at the circuit breaker panel). Of course if you trip a breaker, that would be a good telltale sign that you need to run an independent circuit
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Looking for some advice on a sub to get. I have a 2100cuft room, 20x15x7' with concrete floors in my basement.

Mostly movies with a little concert footage in a dedicated new build theater room. It is sealed off.

I dont need or want to overdo it, so i think the v3600i is just way overkill.

So i am thinking the v1800 or s3000i.

What do you guys think?
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Looking for some advice on a sub to get. I have a 2100cuft room, 20x15x7' with concrete floors in my basement.

Mostly movies with a little concert footage in a dedicated new build theater room. It is sealed off.

I dont need or want to overdo it, so i think the v3600i is just way overkill.

So i am thinking the v1800 or s3000i.

What do you guys think?
I would be all over the S3000i in that room.
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+1 for S3000I. Your room is almost the perfect candidate for a nice sealed sub.
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Looking for some advice on a sub to get. I have a 2100cuft room, 20x15x7' with concrete floors in my basement.

Mostly movies with a little concert footage in a dedicated new build theater room. It is sealed off.

I dont need or want to overdo it, so i think the v3600i is just way overkill.

So i am thinking the v1800 or s3000i.

What do you guys think?
Be careful about asking for opinions around here….many people who hang out here don't think there is any such a thing as overkill. You might just be encouraged to go with dual V3600's (which isn't a bad idea IMO).

None the less... either the V1800 or S3000i should work great for you. But if I were you with a room that size I would go with the S3000i.
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I am seriously thinking of running a 20 amp outlet for the 2 subs alone. Currently they are on the same circuit as my AVR and 50" Plasma so I am wondering if that is impeding any of the performance.
Since it was easy for me to run power I ran 3 dedicated 20 amp circuits one for each sub and one for HT gear :-)

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Looking for some advice on a sub to get. I have a 2100cuft room, 20x15x7' with concrete floors in my basement.

Mostly movies with a little concert footage in a dedicated new build theater room. It is sealed off.

I dont need or want to overdo it, so i think the v3600i is just way overkill.

So i am thinking the v1800 or s3000i.

What do you guys think?
Just a suggestion if I was in that situation, you may want to consider dual S1500i's, I would rather have two smaller subs in that room than a single bigger sub. Your room would be good a candidate for dual subwoofers like the S1500s, as your room is pretty much square (almost), but being sealed helps.

I don't know your placement restrictions if any, so you would have some nice locations to experiment with, regardless of room size I would (just me) go for duals. I've had better results with multiple subs than a single as far as integration and FR..Remember it's just a suggestion and what I say is not written in stone...........

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Since it was easy for me to run power I ran 3 dedicated 20 amp circuits one for each sub and one for HT gear :-)
Yeah I did the same thing, it's always better to be prepared for new additions
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@EVER ybody, I just wanted to give you guys a heads up, I'm seriously thinking of selling my LCR 210s and going with all 110s so I have room for more subs... and I will be able to have an all vertical front stage. These are serial numbers 1,2, and 3 and autographed by Mr. Jim Farina.
They are eight months old and in pristine condition. I'm probably going to list them in a few days,so I just wanted to give you guys a heads up if anybody's interested. Looking for $2000 shipped.

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