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Did I see the website correctly, the xv15se has been discontinued? I understand it can be hard having so many models but it was nice to have some options under 1000 dollars. Poor people need quality bass too.


That is crazy...the XV15 was one of PSA best selling subs. .
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That is crazy...the XV15 was one of PSA best selling subs. .
I was a little shocked by it myself, maybe they are coming out with a smaller and less expensive 12" model.
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A V1200 could be interesting and potentially fit nicely into the market.
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It's starting to seem like everyone is in a race to raise prices, I understand that costs do increase but is there really that big of a market for 1,000 dollar subs? Also everything is getting bigger 18" subs just won't fit into everyone's room.
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Just watched Gravity with the dual V1800s, and WOW! Not a huge fan of the movie in general, but visually and audio are very engulfing. The lows were so articulate and rich, Can;t wait for Sunday, a few hours of uninterrupted music on the agenda....
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Just wanted to share a pic of my front stage with the new 3600 and 3 210s along with my dual PB13s. Room is still a mess as I need to put the velvet back down on the floor and a few other things, but the front of the room looks mean! Going to calibrate the center and hopefully watch my first movie and maybe a little music as well. Sorry the pic is not all that great, but it is really hard to get a good one in my black hole room as the lighting is terrible! Also have an additional PB13 in the rear right corner of the room which helps smooth out my response and bring up a null in the ~50hz-60hz area.
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I currently own the V1500 and love it but still have a little time before my 30 day trial is over. Has anyone bought a second V1500 or traded up to the V3600? The cost for dual V1500 and V3600 is the same $2000 for me. I have a year to get a second V1500 at dual pricing but but only a week to trade up to the V3600. I know the benefit of smoother response from dual subs but I could get the larger dual 18 inch V3600 without worrying about dual subs canceling each other out.
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I currently own the V1500 and love it but still have a little time before my 30 day trial is over. Has anyone bought a second V1500 or traded up to the V3600? The cost for dual V1500 and V3600 is the same $2000 for me. I have a year to get a second V1500 at dual pricing but but only a week to trade up to the V3600. I know the benefit of smoother response from dual subs but I could get the larger dual 18 inch V3600 without worrying about dual subs canceling each other out.
Most people here will say go for duals if you have the space and are able to do so. I am in the same situation but with RA subs. Do I keep the Echo 18 and add another in the future or do I splurge on the 18 XL? As I have said, most would recommend two 18s over one 18 XL.
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Did I see the website correctly, the xv15se has been discontinued? I understand it can be hard having so many models but it was nice to have some options under 1000 dollars. Poor people need quality bass too.
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That is crazy...the XV15 was one of PSA best selling subs. .

Ditching the somewhat less expensive, smaller, down-firing, slightly more WAF friendly sub? Maybe this statement means something here?



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OK spent the day trying to get these puppies decently set up. Learned a few things today. First no matter what I do Audy has the sub about 10db too low at MLP, but I saw some other folks had similar issues. So I will just boost sub 6-8db. Next the dual V1800s brought in from the corners gets rid of boominess. Combined the duals run out of headroom around 115db, that was a bit disappointing. And finally that the dual V1800s combined give me about 4db more headroom than 1 alone. Maxed out the distortion really get bad in the 62Hx area then below 18Hz, but at more reasonable level the distortion is well controlled. Some other notes, the sub take too long to wake up when in auto mode, a few seconds. Long enough that if they are in standby Audy initial setup does not think there are subs attached. Not sure what the how long of inactivity before they go into standby.

I am sure I gave up a few db pulling them from the corners as I can hear the rise in db if I stand in the corner, so whatever I lost buy pulling them in I gained back with duals as well as more tightness. The room gain means is nice it almost performs more like a sealed with a slow roll off below port tune such that 10Hz is only 10db down. The only down side is the sub gain is barley on, more liek 7 o'clock on the knob, if I touch it a hair it is off. With the nasty dips I am thinking minidsp 2x4 and put it in 2v mode which will introduce 7db loss whichwill get that knob away from almost being a hair from off. Now to sit back and enjoy it, some movies and music this week and next weekend then maybe next I can post a more thorough review.
If I were you, I would not be disappointed about only getting 115dB out of the dual 1800's. Remember, that is with a sine wave sweep. With normal source material you probably have at least a few more dB of capability in the tank. Also, since your subs are not set up optimally for a good response(symetrically placed on the front stage rather than spread about optimally), you are trying to overcome a null around 60-80 Hz which is a very audible range in which a lot of content resides. Also, the fact that you are getting 4 dB more output illustrates they are not optimally placed. 4dB gain is not bad, but ideal placement would get you closer to 6 dB.

You probably have(and this is an educated guess based on the way I believe the 1800's are engineered) a ton of headroom still available above reference level over 30 Hz. Since you are right at reference level at 20 Hz, output capability will most certainly be a good 10 dB higher, or more, in the mid and upper bass.
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Work took me to Kentucky this week. It was nice to get back to my baby, and of course the rest of the family as well. I sat with the two older girls and the baby(V3600) and watched the Last Air Bender. PSA just brings a smile to my face every time I fire them up. Have a great weekend all!
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I currently own the V1500 and love it but still have a little time before my 30 day trial is over. Has anyone bought a second V1500 or traded up to the V3600? The cost for dual V1500 and V3600 is the same $2000 for me. I have a year to get a second V1500 at dual pricing but but only a week to trade up to the V3600. I know the benefit of smoother response from dual subs but I could get the larger dual 18 inch V3600 without worrying about dual subs canceling each other out.
I am one who will normally say go with duals for the reasons you already know about (smoother response etc).

BUT… The V3600 is something to behold. I had dual XV15se's before and now I have a V3600. The dual XV15se's never came close to providing the bass the V3600 does on it's own. I should mention I am currently running the V3600 along with a XV15se but that's just to smooth out the bass, the V3600 doesn't need the XV15se for help with impact.

Allow me to give an example. The only way I could ever get tactile bass (the couch shaking) with the dual XV15se's was if one was nearfield and then it was occasional. But the shaking I got I thought was pretty good (I learned I was wrong). I should mention I'm on a slab.

Then came the day I plugged in the V3600 and my breath was taken away (almost literally). Suddenly I understood that my couch was only vibrating before. The V3600 showed me what it means to actually shake a couch! What's amazing is the V3600 is 13 feet away in the rear corner of the room.

This is my experience but I have a lot of open space to pressurize. In a different room configuration dual XV15se's or V1500s may be more than enough. Every space is different and everyone has different wants/needs.

For you the real question is can dual V1500's provide enough output to meet your desires. If the answer to that is YES then I would go with dual V1500s. If the answer is NO then I would jump up to the single V3600. If you don't know the answer then you need to ask yourself what's more important…output or smooth bass?
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It's starting to seem like everyone is in a race to raise prices, I understand that costs do increase but is there really that big of a market for 1,000 dollar subs? Also everything is getting bigger 18" subs just won't fit into everyone's room.
Actually PSA just dropped prices on a few of their subs. That's a good thing.
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Just wanted to share a pic of my front stage with the new 3600 and 3 210s along with my dual PB13s. Room is still a mess as I need to put the velvet back down on the floor and a few other things, but the front of the room looks mean! Going to calibrate the center and hopefully watch my first movie and maybe a little music as well. Sorry the pic is not all that great, but it is really hard to get a good one in my black hole room as the lighting is terrible! Also have an additional PB13 in the rear right corner of the room which helps smooth out my response and bring up a null in the ~50hz-60hz area.
THAT is one cool looking room you have there Toe. You're right, it looks mean…in a good way. Like it is saying: "Have a seat and hold on…I'm gonna kick your A@#.
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I currently own the V1500 and love it but still have a little time before my 30 day trial is over. Has anyone bought a second V1500 or traded up to the V3600? The cost for dual V1500 and V3600 is the same $2000 for me. I have a year to get a second V1500 at dual pricing but but only a week to trade up to the V3600. I know the benefit of smoother response from dual subs but I could get the larger dual 18 inch V3600 without worrying about dual subs canceling each other out.
Or go Dual V1800s I love mine, some real kick ass lows and I have them front in a stereo config so I cross over the mains at 120Hz and it ie very impressive. I know the V3600 is a beast, but after living with a single sub and now going dual I will take dual over massive single. I pulled sub out of corner and put them inside mains which helps with a few things, took some of the boominess away from the corner loading effect (with tiny loss in headroom) and by placing them in stereo position allowed me to go to 120Hz cross over without worrying about localization of frequencies over 80Hz. And as a bonus it allowed me to push my mains wider which gave me the best sound stage I have every had.

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If I were you, I would not be disappointed about only getting 115dB out of the dual 1800's. Remember, that is with a sine wave sweep. With normal source material you probably have at least a few more dB of capability in the tank. Also, since your subs are not set up optimally for a good response(symetrically placed on the front stage rather than spread about optimally), you are trying to overcome a null around 60-80 Hz which is a very audible range in which a lot of content resides. Also, the fact that you are getting 4 dB more output illustrates they are not optimally placed. 4dB gain is not bad, but ideal placement would get you closer to 6 dB.

You probably have(and this is an educated guess based on the way I believe the 1800's are engineered) a ton of headroom still available above reference level over 30 Hz. Since you are right at reference level at 20 Hz, output capability will most certainly be a good 10 dB higher, or more, in the mid and upper bass.
I am not. And I realized a few things I will test tomorrows. The measuring position was probably 16+ feet away from the subs so I realized there is a distance loss to factor in, so it is possible they may actually be closer to 118-120db.
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THAT is one cool looking room you have there Toe. You're right, it looks mean…in a good way. Like it is saying: "Have a seat and hold on…I'm gonna kick your A@#.

.......Thanks for the great comments Hop! Much appreciated. Nice thing is when the lights go out and the velvet is on top of the subs/speakers, it all disappears nicely so it is not a distraction when watching something.
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I currently own the V1500 and love it but still have a little time before my 30 day trial is over. Has anyone bought a second V1500 or traded up to the V3600? The cost for dual V1500 and V3600 is the same $2000 for me. I have a year to get a second V1500 at dual pricing but but only a week to trade up to the V3600. I know the benefit of smoother response from dual subs but I could get the larger dual 18 inch V3600 without worrying about dual subs canceling each other out.
I'm recently running dual v1500 and had same impulse to upgrade to the v3600 or possibly dual 1800 as well. I have to say that the difference between single v15 and the dual is pretty significant. Both rew and listening show a big improvement across freq with dual subs. I looked at the upgrades and realized that im pretty happy with the headroom the 1500 give, so i didnt really need to upgrade( other than for bragging rights/pride of ownership)

That being said, if you are looking for a lot more volume and headroom, the v3600 might be your best bet. But if you're happy with output and looking for a smoother response over a larger area the duals could do the trick. Basically the decision comes down to how happy are you with the single v15 and what you are really looking to get from a future upgrade.

If you go duals you will need to invest some time in getting them setup properly if you want to take full advantage of them. REW or similar program is really helpful for dialing in duals pretty quickly.

Also if not wanting to mess with REW the antimode products are pretty nice plug and play sub cal options that Tom has been able to bundle further discounts with. I've used both of them and they do a pretty solid job of taming some room modes with limited setup time/knowledge needed.
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@Alan I like Red's idea as earlier posted, I ran across this on AVS, I don't if it would help or not, I'm fortunate as I've never had a problem with a ground loop problem with my Comcast cable.

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I'm happy that you figured out the scratchy plugs, this should also be an easy fix as you already know it's the cable by unplugging at the outside source.

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So the beloved XV15se is no longer available due to being discontinued. I can't help but wonder what that means for the the XS15se and the XS30se. I'm thinking that the X series of subs are being phased out and the V series are the subs of the foreseeable future. I think things may be changing (but I'm just speculating).

But IF (that's a big if) the X series is being phased out what does that mean for the sub $1000 subwoofer market? Who knows… but I'm looking forward to seeing what Tom and Jim come out with next. Let's not forget that in the past year they have released all sorts of new toys.
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Articulate, tight, clean, deep, punch, rich, accurate, powerful, effortless, engulfing, seamless...

These are just some of the words that describe my dual V1800s. I have posted a few of my observations as I have been enjoying them. If you have been following I have been sampling some movies and music. It is not completely fair to compare these directly to my PC-Ultra as that was corner loaded and a single sub. The subs are far more articulate than I am ;-) at really putting all this into words.

Musically these things are hard to describe in words. Lows and drums just sound like they are in the room. Tonight was Blue Man Group's How To Be A Megastar Live Concert Bluray. I tried both the 5.1 track as well and the PCM track and much preferred the PCM track. If you know them you know they are all about percussion and drums. I like my concert music as loud as a real concert, so listening at -6MV with subs running 6db hot you could feel every kick of the drums. There is no way to describe the realism they produce, no hint of boominess or muddy notes. I am running my mains with 120Hz crossovers so the subs do all the heavy work with ease, taking all low end strain off the AVR and mains.

More to come to come tomorrow....
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So the beloved XV15se is no longer available due to being discontinued. I can't help but wonder what that means for the the XS15se and the XS30se. I'm thinking that the X series of subs are being phased out and the V series are the subs of the foreseeable future. I think things may be changing (but I'm just speculating).

But IF (that's a big if) the X series is being phased out what does that mean for the sub $1000 subwoofer market? Who knows… but I'm looking forward to seeing what Tom and Jim come out with next. Let's not forget that in the past year they have released all sorts of new toys.
I would think they need a 12 inch sub for the sub $1000 segment, say a sealed and a ported.

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So the beloved XV15se is no longer available due to being discontinued. I can't help but wonder what that means for the the XS15se and the XS30se. I'm thinking that the X series of subs are being phased out and the V series are the subs of the foreseeable future. I think things may be changing (but I'm just speculating).

But IF (that's a big if) the X series is being phased out what does that mean for the sub $1000 subwoofer market? Who knows… but I'm looking forward to seeing what Tom and Jim come out with next. Let's not forget that in the past year they have released all sorts of new toys.
Hey Jim, I'm not speaking for PSA but I think you're on the right track, my thoughts are that Jim and Tom do a lot of volume and with the X series amps there isn't enough demand to be really profitable as it's hard when you only need a few X amps compared to hundreds if not thousands of the ICE amps. It's also a bonus to have Brian at SpeakerPower who can have whatever PSA needs volume wise to meet their demands. Just like Tom mentioned earlier, just over a weekend of sales they're out of stock (cabs) that quick.

In don't believe the ICE amps would cause the bottleneck, they can't build the cabs fast enough. One thing for certain, all warranties on the X series products will be honored if and when the line is discontinued. If I had to guess, end of year or sooner.....

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Hadn't watched Metallica through the never since I got my psa mt110's and triple xs30's ...and for that matter my new room

WOW! Talk about like your being there. Ulrichs bass kicks literally kick you in the chest. And the spaciousness and crisp sound is outstanding.

Man these things (speakers and subs) are so dang good.

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Making me happy over and over again hahah
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The XS15SE can only be purchased as dual subs and sold out if you want just one.

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Hadn't watched Metallica through the never since I got my psa mt110's and triple xs30's ...and for that matter my new room

WOW! Talk about like your being there. Ulrichs bass kicks literally kick you in the chest. And the spaciousness and crisp sound is outstanding.

Man these things (speakers and subs) are so dang good.

Ok enough of the brag. But they just keep
Making me happy over and over again hahah
Hey Brian I just got that BD today from Amazon on a friend's advice, I'm glad you like it, I haven't watched it yet but after hearing your response I'll get it fired up....thanks
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I am one who will normally say go with duals for the reasons you already know about (smoother response etc).

BUT… The V3600 is something to behold. I had dual XV15se's before and now I have a V3600. The dual XV15se's never came close to providing the bass the V3600 does on it's own. I should mention I am currently running the V3600 along with a XV15se but that's just to smooth out the bass, the V3600 doesn't need the XV15se for help with impact.

Allow me to give an example. The only way I could ever get tactile bass (the couch shaking) with the dual XV15se's was if one was nearfield and then it was occasional. But the shaking I got I thought was pretty good (I learned I was wrong). I should mention I'm on a slab.

Then came the day I plugged in the V3600 and my breath was taken away (almost literally). Suddenly I understood that my couch was only vibrating before. The V3600 showed me what it means to actually shake a couch! What's amazing is the V3600 is 13 feet away in the rear corner of the room.

This is my experience but I have a lot of open space to pressurize. In a different room configuration dual XV15se's or V1500s may be more than enough. Every space is different and everyone has different wants/needs.

For you the real question is can dual V1500's provide enough output to meet your desires. If the answer to that is YES then I would go with dual V1500s. If the answer is NO then I would jump up to the single V3600. If you don't know the answer then you need to ask yourself what's more important…output or smooth bass?
Hop, you are dead on with the V3600. I too had some shaking, but eating a snack while the girls watched the last Air Bender today, I actually got to feel the LFE upstairs at the table sitting in a chair. I was like oh my gosh, is this what my wife has to deal with every time I fire up a good movie. I could feel the chair and table vibrate, and here the rattle of the ceramic plate when the Avatar was building the water wall defending from the fire benders...I love my V3600....only wonder if I had another..... And Toe, nice screen! your set up looks great!
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I am one who will normally say go with duals for the reasons you already know about (smoother response etc).

BUT… The V3600 is something to behold. I had dual XV15se's before and now I have a V3600. The dual XV15se's never came close to providing the bass the V3600 does on it's own. I should mention I am currently running the V3600 along with a XV15se but that's just to smooth out the bass, the V3600 doesn't need the XV15se for help with impact.

Allow me to give an example. The only way I could ever get tactile bass (the couch shaking) with the dual XV15se's was if one was nearfield and then it was occasional. But the shaking I got I thought was pretty good (I learned I was wrong). I should mention I'm on a slab.

Then came the day I plugged in the V3600 and my breath was taken away (almost literally). Suddenly I understood that my couch was only vibrating before. The V3600 showed me what it means to actually shake a couch! What's amazing is the V3600 is 13 feet away in the rear corner of the room.

This is my experience but I have a lot of open space to pressurize. In a different room configuration dual XV15se's or V1500s may be more than enough. Every space is different and everyone has different wants/needs.

For you the real question is can dual V1500's provide enough output to meet your desires. If the answer to that is YES then I would go with dual V1500s. If the answer is NO then I would jump up to the single V3600. If you don't know the answer then you need to ask yourself what's more important…output or smooth bass?
I installed my 3600 2 nights ago. I gave it a good test this morning and I must say I really like it. It is incredibly huge and almost looks, dare I say ridiculous, but I love it. I have it paired with 2 Rythmik FV15HP's which I used to have 3. The sound from the 3600 is strong with a lot of authority. I had some very bass heavy music going through it and it didn't even break a sweat. So far quite impressed.
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