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post #22051 of 22065 Old 08-27-2015, 03:04 PM
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Hey Everyone. I have been following this thread for a little bit and have chatted with Tom a couple times. I am close to making the purchase but have a few questions to the group. I will be buying two subs. I started looking at the XS30se. Then they came out with the S1500 and V1800. Honestly, I'll probably go with whatever Tom recommends and I will be more than happy with it.


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1. Since the subs could be 20-30ft from AVR, I assume I run Coax through walls and ceilings then use F-Type to RCA wall plates?
2. Since I have about a week or so until I order I want to get a jump start on ow you position and tune these things. I will start with the floor crawl for the first one. How do you place second? What methods can I use to tune? I have seen REW mentioned. Are there clear steps on what to do to get best sound.
3. I will be upgrading AVR and will get either XT or XT32. It depends on price. Do either of these alleviate most of the tuning?

Thanks. Once again, I am hoping to get a jump start on how to make these beasts sound great in my environment

Whatever you do go get Blue Jeans Cables LC-1 sub cable if you are running them that long, it is even wall rated. Excellent cable especially for longer runs.
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Thanks for info. You 2 sub crawl test makes sense and might get me close.
The room is 23x26x7.5. For once in my life, I wish the room was smaller
SHould I get a USB mic or SPL or both?
Wow that is a big room. I have a SPL and REW with USB mic (minidsp UMIK-1). I use the SPL for some tweaks, but us REW for overall tuning. Dual V1800 all the way! My room is 14x20x7.5 and dual V1800 are great and I still yearn for more, but they easily handle any of my listening and I love the deep bass/lows. Is the room enclosed? I actuall got some decent room gain from mine that even handled the Edge of Tomorrow scene well down to 10Hz. I posted some REW charts a few posts back.

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If you’ve auditioned the PSB speakers and love them, then that is what you should buy. I’ve heard very good things about this speaker and it was given an excellent review here on AVS. I haven’t heard them myself, but I’m not buying speakers . If you haven’t auditioned them, then find an audio store that has them.

Yes, two subs can reduce nulls and peaks at the listening position, however, I’m not sure why you think you need dual subwoofers without trying one first. That seems to me to be a cart before the horse and a waste of money until you know how one subwoofer performs. Just my opinion….
Although I'm a big fan of dual subs and I think they fill out the room better and create better bass, you make a good point. Sometimes one sub can do beautifully on it's own.

I would audition the PSA speakers by taking advantage of the in home trial. If you can, see if you can bring home the PSB speakers and let them go head to head with the PSA and then keep the ones you like best.
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@Alan , your're welcome, glad it's resolved.

@Jim , it's good to be back but I can't stay long, I have a long road to travel with no shortcuts, time is one luxury I don't have. I know there's a light at the end of the tunnel as long as I do the right thing. My family really needs me (Brother and Father). I won't get into the details, suffice it to say there's a Power greater than myself that always lends a hand, I'm grateful for that. Thank you Jim for the warm welcome back, I hope to try and spend time intermittently here at my second home.

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Thanks, peer pressure can be tricky. It would be fun to have a fast car but they are just so expensive if you are picky. I figure I will pick up a fast toy once my career is actually started and I am on my feet. Hard to explain to parents why I am still living at home with a corvette sitting out front. Plus, how do you explain that to a girl? "Why yes I have an awesome fast car. We can go back to my uh parents house and watch tv.." Yeah....



Yeah... I am facing that dilemma now. Do I want a crotch rocket (CBR600 or R6). Fun? Yes. Recurring cost each month? Yes. Decisions.. decisions..



When I was in high school, one of my teachers pushed us to start investing early. Figured even small amounts can help. My parents have this parenting technique of "If you want it, you earn it." I wrecked my first car, purchased each one on my own ever since. Been through 4 now. You learn that if you want something bad enough, you will work for it. Granted, they will help us but we pay them back.



Haha! Just one more... I don't need two PSA's but you have to live a little. My best friend went and saw a financial advisor. She told him that for right now, make sure your car payment doesn't exceed one week's pay check. Hikes!! You could have 50% of your income tied up in a car! Been there, done that. Not a fan.



Man, it is hard to find a C6Z for under $35K. After taxes and registration, it will be closer to $40K. That is 20% down on a $200K house! My brother really pushes the C5Z, you can find them for about $18K if you look hard enough. They are beautiful cars, the arctic white is just perfect.

Wow! Nice Z28! It looks very clean! Incredibly low miles as well. My brother had a 02' Z28 that dynoed 406RWHP. It wasn't nearly as clean as your car but that thing would get up and move. We went by a deputy one day running 100 plus wide open, practically had open headers. Deputy gets behind us, the plate didn't match the car. We were both beyond shocked that we didn't get stopped. Good ol days...

I recently made the mistake of buying a '13 Charger RT with 21K miles. Dealership was like "Yeah we can get you in this car" I basically replied with "Where do I sign? Give me the keys!" Couple months later, realized I made the biggest impulse purchase of the year. Luckily I went to school with the sales manager's daughter. So he really helped me out when I sold it. I do miss the car though...

Hey, you are up in Fort Wayne! I am down on the south side of Indianapolis.

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Street tires with 600hp? I take it you had no traction till 4th gear. I am hoping to run high 10's NA.
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after having run antimode and using spl to balance, is there a preferred method of adjusting the overall base level? I have three options and I can't figure out which is best- do you adjust at the preamp sub trim, at the antimode dual core volume control or each sub's amp gain? I keep going back and forth between preamp and antimode- have not tried subwoofer amps gain levels yet? just wondering if I've been wasting my time adjusting at preamp and antimode when should've been adjusting at sub amp gain? thanks

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Always advised to do any adjusting of the sub level (post calibration) in the pre-pro/AVR. However, it is also recommended to not exceed a sub trim of "0" (i.e. keep it in the negative) to reduce the chances of clipping the sub amp.
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ok- so does adjusting sub amp gain levels mess up the antimode results?

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ok- so does adjusting sub amp gain levels mess up the antimode results?
Probably not, but if it was me I'd re-do it...but I'm a bit obsessive about those things.

That being said, adjusting the gain on the sub itself without some sort of ability to measure the SPL is not advised either. Do you have an SPL meter?
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may try increasing amp gain on each sub individually using spl meter 3 ft from each sub- don't want to run antimode again unless necessary because it is so freaking violent-lol

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may try increasing amp gain on each sub individually using spl meter 3 ft from each sub- don't want to run antimode again unless necessary because it is so freaking violent-lol
That would be fine....but why are you stuck on increasing gain on the subs and not using the sub trim setting??
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Awesome to hear as I placed a order for two S1500s a couple days ago.

I would absolutely love to give the PSA speakers a shot but it adds another thousand on top of the other speakers. At some point, you have to draw the line. I want to be able to do EVERYTHING for $5,000. I did talk to Tom on the phone for about a half hour. He said to give them a shot, what is the worst I can lose? If I don't like them, I can return them.

They are just kind of ugly, I would have to get speaker stands (More money), and cost more overall. It would be a pretty good system though.

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I don't know how concerned I really am about SPL on the mains. I mean, it is a small enclosed room with zero true sound dampening material. I owned an Arx setup for awhile, I was pretty happy with them. You are talking about $1,874.96 for a PSB setup and $2,799.99 for a PSA setup. Of course, I am sure buying two S1500s and 5 speakers, Tom would cut me a deal but still... Even $400 off which I beyond highly doubt would occur would be still another $550 roughly.

Tom did say that a company like his can put a lot more money into the actual quality of the product than say a large retailer company. Which is something to think about.

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Hey now, I am getting old. Already done some physical therapy for my back. All the responsibilities of being an adult. I will gladly go back to 14/15 when everything was paid for and I wasn't stressed nearly as much. It's funny, when I was younger, I thought being 16-20 would be so much cooler than this.

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I haven't heard the PSB's or the PSA's. I was primarily going off of budget and the reviews. Avs seemed pretty impressed with them. Obviously, if I purchase them and not like them. I can always return them. Indiana is pretty hard to find any decent audio stores. We had Ovation but they have gone down hill. I purchased two subs at once because you get a better discount on them. If I don't like them, I can return them. I know I definitely want a dual sub setup so I figured it was between the Gamma 15, the HSU sealed 15 and the S1500.

Budget being $5,000.
Denon X4000 - $649.99
PSB speakers - $1,874.96
Power Cleaner -$30-$60
Sony 6500 - $139.09
Dual S1500s - $1,749.99
Seatcraft Eros - $560.00
Total - $4,954.03

PSA speakers - $5,879.06
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