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I want to give a shout out to Tom and Jim. I had a forum member over this week to help me with REW, we got everything dialed in on both my subs. It sounded incredible, I have had my subs over a year and a half and am mad I didn't do myself any favors by not learning the program. Long story short I did a movie demo and switched back to a CD and lost bass! Both my bash amps would not turn on. I wish I had an explanation as to what caused it. So I was nervous to call Tom because this is a very unlikely scenario. After talking with Tom he chalked it up to some freak thing that happened and is shipping me 2 replacement amps. Customer service is 2nd to none. I was expecting a "what the hell did you do" speech, but that was not the case at all. I have never had to warranty anything before. I have no regrets buying these subs, Thanks Tom!
Yeah, those amps should be there tomorrow bossdog.

Not really sure what happened. BOTH failing at the exact same time indicates some type of overload situation. A movie demo shouldn't cause this of course so we'll take a close look at these when we get them to see if we have any answers for you. Anyway, thanks for being so patient too. Being without subs for a few days can't be fun.

Now that I'm thinking about this, did I ask you about checking the fuses during the call?

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Yes I checked voltage at outlet, plug, and continuity of the fuse.
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Intellivision? I still have 2 or 3 of those consoles and like 100 games in a closet somewhere. Did you have the voice module? B-17 Booooooommmber...

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C'mon Tom, you're not old enough to have an original Intellivision, I am... No I didn't have the voice module, it's been so long ago I may have...Baseball was my game. I was 28 when it came out, so maybe you did have one....Old Timing Man....

The Intellivision is a home video game console released by Mattel in 1979. Development of the console began in 1978, less than a year after the introduction of its main competitor, the Atari 2600. The word intellivision is a portmanteau of "intelligent television".

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I told Tom I had an idea for a WWMMMTTMMMWW-418610. Four 18" woofers, six 10" midrange, and two compression tweeters. He rolled his eyes and said ahblaza will want a pair.
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My mini-dsp mic arrived. The subs and anti-mode will arrive tomorrow. I will tune with anit-mode.

having second thoughts on mini-dsp mic. using REW it can show me all sorts of great information. However, if I don't add a DSP to my Marantz AVR, then how do I adjust to make the REW readings better?

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Yes I checked voltage at outlet, plug, and continuity of the fuse.
That's right, I remember now, thanks!

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My mini-dsp mic arrived. The subs and anti-mode will arrive tomorrow. I will tune with anit-mode.

having second thoughts on mini-dsp mic. using REW it can show me all sorts of great information. However, if I don't add a DSP to my Marantz AVR, then how do I adjust to make the REW readings better?
REW will help you find the best placement (location) for your subs. Just sticking a sub where you think it looks best is a sure way to get bad bass. It takes time and effort to locate the best placement for your subs.

The quick and dirty way is the sub crawl but it's not that good. The best way is to take sweeps with REW (using your new UMIK). If REW looks bad (looks like a roller coaster or rugged mountain range) then move your sub and try again. The flatter the better, it means you have smoother bass throughout the room at the different frequencies.

So don't second guess yourself. Move forward with REW. Once you find the best location you can let the Anti-mode do the rest. Location first, software tweaks second.
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It will help you find the best placement (location) for your subs. Just sticking a sub where you think it looks best is a sure way to get bad bass. It takes time and effort to locate the best placement where your subs will react best to the particulars of your room.

The quick and dirty way is the sub crawl but it's not that good. The best way is to take sweeps with REW (using your new UMIK) to see what your sub's Frequency response in your room. If it's bad (looks like a roller coaster or rugged mountain range) then move your sub and try again. The flatter the better, it means you have smoother bass throughout the room at the different frequencies.

So don't second guess yourself. Move forward with your REW. Once you find the best location you can let the Anti-mode do the rest.

Thanks. So it is for initial placement. Off topic, but use itthe same way to find locations of mains before I run Audyssey?

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REW will help you find the best placement (location) for your subs. Just sticking a sub where you think it looks best is a sure way to get bad bass. It takes time and effort to locate the best placement for your subs.

The quick and dirty way is the sub crawl but it's not that good. The best way is to take sweeps with REW (using your new UMIK). If REW looks bad (looks like a roller coaster or rugged mountain range) then move your sub and try again. The flatter the better, it means you have smoother bass throughout the room at the different frequencies.

So don't second guess yourself. Move forward with REW. Once you find the best location you can let the Anti-mode do the rest. Location first, software tweaks second.
Do you have to move subwoofers around? Could you validly use REW in the same fashion as a subwoofer crawl - out subwoofer in listening location then take readings around your room until you find a smooth spot? If that would be as valid as moving subwoofer it would be easier. Would it be valid?
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Well, to be fair...I don't think we could ever introduce a new product without SOMEONE claiming ESPN.. There's been comments about just about everything you could think of in this thread at one time or another.

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Why do psa subs have to sound so good with music. I wish i could figure out what kind of wizardry went into them. Oh well time to start saving for the s3600!
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Thanks. So it is for initial placement. Off topic, but use itthe same way to find locations of mains before I run Audyssey?
Not usually. Usually the mains can only be placed in very limited location in the front of the room. If you are lucky you might be able to move them a few feet wider or narrower or a foot or two farther from the wall but you can't take them on a journey around the room like you can with your subs.

For instance, REW may reveal that your subs work better in the back of the room so you may end up placing them there. But your mains have to go in the front of the room no matter what.
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Do you have to move subwoofers around? Could you validly use REW in the same fashion as a subwoofer crawl - out subwoofer in listening location then take readings around your room until you find a smooth spot? If that would be as valid as moving subwoofer it would be easier. Would it be valid?
That's an interesting question. I really don't know. My hunch is to say because REW is revealing how the sub interacts with the room at the MLP (where you are measuring with the MIC) it's best to keep the MIC at the MLP and move the subs. It seems to me that moving the MIC around like you are doing the sub crawl may not actually give you accurate results for the MLP.

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I just wanted to quickly chime in with a humble: Y'all crazy in here!

I'm loving my S1500's. They have expanded my experience beyond expectations and I can certainly see how the Sub Bug is caught. But dang! Some of you are Madmen!
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That's an interesting question. I really don't know. My hunch is to say because REW is revealing how the sub interacts with the room at the MLP (where you are measuring with the MIC) it's best to keep the MIC at the MLP and move the subs. It seems to me that moving the MIC around like you are doing the sub crawl may not actually give you accurate results for the MLP.
The physics between the listening location and subwoofer placement are supposed to be the same. So it seems it would be valid - plus a lot easier.
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The physics between the listening location and subwoofer placement are supposed to be the same. So it seems it would be valid - plus a lot easier.
I don't think so. Basically, you would just be taking measurements at different listening positions. There's a reason you don't see it done that way.

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Why do psa subs have to sound so good with music. I wish i could figure out what kind of wizardry went into them. Oh well time to start saving for the s3600!
Told ya...

No wizardry, just quality components...the Lab15 driver is a very excellent design...so good even Mark Seaton uses a custom spec'd version for his SubM and F2.

Getting Started with REW: A Step by Step Guide --> http://www.mediafire.com/view/aolmz2..._101_v3.92.pdf

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