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imho for 1k$ your much better off with minidsp 88A dirac. your WHOLE system will thank you
Dirac only EQ's the subs as one or I would agree. Most room correction software does a decent job with speakers anyway, it's the subs that prove troublesome. If Dirac ever comes out with a multi sub EQ solution I will give it a shot.


Some of you that keep saying for X price I would rather have Y product needs to pick one of these up and try it for 30 days free. There is no risk and you can send it back...Then come back and share your thoughts. Not sure why some of you gotta be debbie downers. I thought I was providing some helpful info instead of the same old "congrats on your sub purchase" .
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Dirac only EQ's the subs as one or I would agree.
Not really a big deal to be honest. There are workarounds

It gives me a better response than any other calibration system
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If you do not mind me asking, How many calibration systems have you tried? If you remember I am a fan of dirac, but the single sub EQ is not appealing to me. Yes there are work arounds but it still is not the same as having a device that runs 5 2min sweeps from 0-150hz to time align the and EQ the subs. Again just give it a try then send it back Tom won't mind.
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If you do not mind me asking, How many calibration systems have you tried? If you remember I am a fan of dirac, but the single sub EQ is not appealing to me. Yes there are work arounds but it still is not the same as having a device that runs 5 2min sweeps from 0-150hz to time align the and EQ the subs. Again just give it a try then send it back Tom won't mind.
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So I guess that makes me a pretty good candidate to make judgement

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Not only does Dirac get the best FR of all of them but time aligning them externally there is no need for sun distance tweak as with the others
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Dirac only EQ's the subs as one or I would agree. Most room correction software does a decent job with speakers anyway, it's the subs that prove troublesome. If Dirac ever comes out with a multi sub EQ solution I will give it a shot.


Some of you that keep saying for X price I would rather have Y product needs to pick one of these up and try it for 30 days free. There is no risk and you can send it back...Then come back and share your thoughts. Not sure why some of you gotta be debbie downers. I thought I was providing some helpful info instead of the same old "congrats on your sub purchase" .
I did this to help folks out looking for a good EQ solution that does not require a ton of know-how, laptops, and USB mics. Some folks are not as Savy when it comes to setting up REW, Measuring, and using a Mini DSP.
You sold me Basshead! I am working on getting a 2.0, and will order one tomorrow. Thanks for doing what you do. I know we could send it back, but like the V3600, I knew I could send it back, but once my ears were moving with the pressure, I knew I had a new PSA family member for life. SO on with supporting this great company and probably onto a second mortgage.....this upgraditus is something that I cannot cure, but love it just the same! AMDC it is!
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Audyssey xt32 w subeq ht
Yapo
Minidsp (using REW and no auto eq)
Dirac

So I guess that makes me a pretty good candidate to make judgement

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Not only does Dirac get the best FR of all of them but time aligning them externally there is no need for sun distance tweak as with the others
Wow you have been through several!! I have only used.

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Wow you have been through several!! I have only used.

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Tell me about it

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Dirac live is by far the best at getting it right.
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Thanks Jeff. I was hoping you would stop in and share your thoughts. You have had a lot of the PSA subs and they have been both sealed and ported so your first hand experience with them is valuable.

Thanks Jim for the kind words, I realize not every room is the same so I share my results and experiences with in house products that I've come to learn what to expect from various models that work in my space. It really boils down to what your preferences are and how much output you need to pressurize your space. Every PSA sub is unique within it's performance parameters but they all share the same sound character, for me it's become a matter of extension and output and finding that fine line that combines both.

Having PSA speakers also helps, I don't think they were designed by accident, they have that certain synergy with the subs that combine to work as a whole rather than individually. Besides Tom and Jim devoting so much time with helping people prior to and after the sale and owners sharing their experiences is priceless. You can count on making an informed decision and be pretty certain what to expect before your product arrives in a timely fashion.

I see a lot of new folks joining this thread since I've been MIA, that's a good thing as this place has a wealth of knowledge and questions are addressed promptly. OK my friends I hope to frequent this thread more often than I have lately. It's hard to catch up when you're gone for more than a few days around here.

Forgive my ignorance, what is MMFR....

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If you do not mind me asking, How many calibration systems have you tried? If you remember I am a fan of dirac, but the single sub EQ is not appealing to me. Yes there are work arounds but it still is not the same as having a device that runs 5 2min sweeps from 0-150hz to time align the and EQ the subs. Again just give it a try then send it back Tom won't mind.

ARC is much like Dirac in that it subs the total number of subs as one. But I've had great results with my dual subs, ARC still makes it sound as if the bass is coming from the front speakers and not the subs. You look at the mains and you'd swear all of the bass is coming from them and not the subs.
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Yea I can see that... dual subs placed equal distant from the LP can easily be summed as one. It's when you have multiple subs placed in various locations or not equi-distant does individual time delay become important.

What I have noticed having the 3rd sub properly time aligned with the other 2 is that the bass seems to stop on a dime. Also there are less cancellation spots in the room. You can walk around and 80-90% of the room sounds like the main LP.

I have been reading up on room trestments and might try some corner bass traps. The front left corner of my room is insanely hot with bass.

I will say Music has never sounded this good on my system. It is amazing how much difference in sound there is getting that 100-200hz range smoothed out.

What I enjoy the most out of all this is learning. I believe too many are quick to change subs or speakers when 90% of the time changes can be made to the signal chain and room to improve the sound. Here I thought my system was fully "optimized" for what it is and now after upgrading the AVR and AMDC, the sound quality has improved significantly. The Aventage Yamahas are significantly better then the RX-V stuff...never going back. Now if only Yamaha would incorporate AMDC 7.2 into the AVR!!

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Cheers Jeffrey
Mad Max Fury road, the latest and greatest bass movie up to date this year, IMO.
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Mad Max Fury road, the latest and greatest bass movie up to date this year, IMO.
By far!

I can't think of any other movie this year that comes close. Interstellar certainly was good but wasn't a Mad Max. John Wick was also very good but still not in the same camp as Mad Max.

You're doing your subs a disservice if you don't let them play Mad Max.
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anybody having success using vented and sealed subs together with help from antimode dual core 2.0? would I be better off placing 3 of the same sub grouped together as one or displacing them at 3 different locations?

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It is always recommended to use the same sub even though some have had success mixing sealed and ported. I would place 3 subs around the room opposed to stacking them. You lose the potential smoothing benefits with the latter.
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By far!

I can't think of any other movie this year that comes close. Interstellar certainly was good but wasn't a Mad Max. John Wick was also very good but still not in the same camp as Mad Max.

You're doing your subs a disservice if you don't let them play Mad Max.
Don't forget about Jupiter Ascending so soon! A rewatch should cure that
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Has anyone here had experience with the s3600i yet?getting ready to buy. Was thinking the s3000i in my 2500cf room.only want to go one sub.need hi output levels when cranking music first and formost.thanks

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Don't forget about Jupiter Ascending so soon! A rewatch should cure that
Oh wow… you're right, I completely forgot about Jupiter Ascending. JA has great bass but it's still lacking compared to Mad Max IMO.
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Oh wow… you're right, I completely forgot about Jupiter Ascending. JA has great bass but it's still lacking compared to Mad Max IMO.
I'm not sure anything can compare to Mad Max but JA at -5 to 0 volume is an onslaught
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Basshead your write up on the Antimode really has me thinking hard. I've been planning on going with XT32 but now I'm wondering if I shouldn't rethink my plans. With my recent purchase of the V3600 and perhaps a 2nd one soon I might be able to get the Antimode dual core at a decent price. I need to get with Tom and see about some things.
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I'm not sure anything can compare to Mad Max but JA at -5 to 0 volume is an onslaught
I agree 100%. I really really liked Jupiter Ascending. But I loved Mad Max.
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Basshead your write up on the Antimode really has me thinking hard. I've been planning on going with XT32 but now I'm wondering if I shouldn't rethink my plans. With my recent purchase of the V3600 and perhaps a 2nd one soon I might be able to get the Antimode dual core at a decent price. I need to get with Tom and see about some things.
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Basshead your write up on the Antimode really has me thinking hard. I've been planning on going with XT32 but now I'm wondering if I shouldn't rethink my plans. With my recent purchase of the V3600 and perhaps a 2nd one soon I might be able to get the Antimode dual core at a decent price. I need to get with Tom and see about some things.
Hop, a second V3600 What would your foundation say if it knew the pounding it was taking was going to double? I often thought about another V3600, but with the other two XV15s, I figured I would get the AMDC 2.0. After Basshead and his great review, I decided to work with Jim and Tom, and now have the AMDC on its way. Should be able to have some time Saturday to hook up, and calibrate the subs.
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I recently got an S-1500. Running Audyssey, I had to keep turning the gain down because the Audyssey calibration kept ending with a -12 dB level. I called PSA and was told the gain on the new subwoofers is very sensitive, and he said 9 o'clock is a good starting point. I tried around 9 O'clock and got a -7 dB. I would rather have a little more room to increase level for my liking (I like to add 3-6 dB and would rather not have level set that close to 0), so I did another Audyssey run with the gain set to a little past 9:30 position. I was hoping for a -9 or so level but the run came back with -11.5. -11.5 is a high absolute value but it is within the maximum -12, so it is a workable measurement versus the -12 result that were actually likely much more outside the -12.

Is -11.5 Audyssey calibrated line level okay or would I benefit from decreasing the gain a little more until I got closer to a -9 or so result?
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Try adjusting the sub's gain and run a quick Audy sweep until you get a -5-8dB trim level, that's a good starting point, 11.5 is too high.
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Try adjusting the sub's gain and run a quick Audy sweep until you get a -5-8dB trim level, that's a good starting point, 11.5 is too high.
Not really. As long as it's not maxed out at -12. Then he is good to go
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I agree with Brian, -11.5 is actually perfect...you are still "in range" and you have the most upwards adjust-ability possible.
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I agree with Brian, -11.5 is actually perfect...you are still "in range" and you have the most upwards adjust-ability possible.
I agree. I'm happy anywhere between -8 and -11. Right now Audyssey has me set at -10 and I'm running my subs 5 dB hot so my final setting is -5.
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