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That is an awesome subwoofer! I don't think anyone here questions the JTR speakers and subs - Jeff makes a "spare no expense" design and unit, which the reviews back. I don't think anyone on this forum will knock a JTR product from a quality aspect. However, I've looked at JTR several times, but the customer service is why I have come back to PSA. While he does help and get back to customers, there are threads and recurring posts where it takes days to get back. No live chat, having to leave voicemails over and over, delayed email responses, etc.

I'm not knocking JTR - I've been eyeing the 218HT myself, but can't bring myself to pre-order it purely based on customer service alone. The 2 year amp warranty doesn't bother me too much, but with PSA, it's bumper-to-bumper 5 years. To me, it's not worth the risk, which is why I have a S3600i in my cart and not a drafted email to send or pre-dialed number to call JTR.

I get he's a 1-man shop, but why not step it up a few notches? If the products are truly as good as they say, mark up the prices to beef up the staff, update website functionality, and I'd consider them more. I know I can't be the only one who would be willing to pay several more percent on a product to have the peace of mind knowing that someone will answer or get back to me within a reasonable time frame with a question or request for replacement/purchase.

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agreed.

JTR are nice speakers...I will actually get to hear my first ones ever tomorrow at a GTG...but I kind of think they are a cult following...not to say they arent great...but I think they may be overstated a bit...and they are a premium price over PSA and RA in the HE great bang for buck market.

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You may want to take a look at this review.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've read that review (more than once, actually) and have talked to Jim about that sub. I realize it's awesome but I'm not sure I want to spend quite that much right now. I also need to consider WAF, and adding a nice finish to that sub adds to the cost. I'm currently leaning toward the S3000i because I'm sure it will be an upgrade outputwise over my SB13, seems to be close in SQ (I'm probably 50/50 HT and bass-heavy hip-hop and edm music), I like the price, and it has available veneers that look pretty good from what I've seen. I can't really tell if it's worth it for my application to jump up to the JTR Cap S1 or Seaton SubM. The S3000i has gotten pretty awesome reviews, and part of me (and all of my wife) would rather hold on to that price difference.
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Not really PSA related, but Stereo Integrity will stop manufacturing all drivers (with the exception of the HST line): Big Stereo Integrity News

I went ahead and ordered a HT18 and will be placing it nearfield. My current PSAs will, of course, stay. I'm excited
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agreed.

JTR are nice speakers...I will actually get to hear my first ones ever tomorrow at a GTG...but I kind of think they are a cult following.
Dude the AVS forum is the cult of which all us members follow. From there we just break down into smaller groups.

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I have some higher end kimber digital cables on hand not being used anymore- can these be used for subwoofer cables?

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Dude the AVS forum is the cult of which all us members follow. From there we just break down into smaller groups.
True dat
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agreed.

JTR are nice speakers...I will actually get to hear my first ones ever tomorrow at a GTG...but I kind of think they are a cult following...not to say they arent great...but I think they may be overstated a bit...

Is there a thread for the GTG Brian? I would like to hear your impressions, but don't want to "off topic" the PSA thread with discussions of other subs.
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Is there a thread for the GTG Brian? I would like to hear your impressions, but don't want to "off topic" the PSA thread with discussions of other subs.
No there isn't. It really is only about 5 guys. And the purpose is to help one of them decide which speakers to keep. The lineup is

Mtm210's
Cx10's
212ht's
1099's

And they will be blind a/b'd with 20 second clips

I THINK that is accurate lol
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No there isn't. It really is only about 5 guys. And the purpose is to help one of them decide which speakers to keep. The lineup is

Mtm210's
Cx10's
212ht's
1099's

And they will be blind a/b'd with 20 second clips

I THINK that is accurate lol
Brian I am very interested to read your impressions on this GTG please be sure to post your thoughts.

Also, I know the first three speakers you mention but I'm blanking on the 1099's.
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Make that

2015 jtr 228ht's

The 1099's are DIY speakers that are very highly regarded
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No there isn't. It really is only about 5 guys. And the purpose is to help one of them decide which speakers to keep. The lineup is

Mtm210's
Cx10's
212ht's
1099's

And they will be blind a/b'd with 20 second clips

I THINK that is accurate lol
That sounds like fun! I cannot wait to hear your impressions of them!
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I have some higher end kimber digital cables on hand not being used anymore- can these be used for subwoofer cables?
I would think if there standard RCA connectors you shouldn't have any problems

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No there isn't. It really is only about 5 guys. And the purpose is to help one of them decide which speakers to keep. The lineup is

Mtm210's
Cx10's
212ht's
1099's

And they will be blind a/b'd with 20 second clips

I THINK that is accurate lol
Make sure to post your impressions to the speaker thread.

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I have some higher end kimber digital cables on hand not being used anymore- can these be used for subwoofer cables?
The cable impedance is the only determining factor.
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Is it the 228HT ($1300) or the 228HTR ($1900)?
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2015 jtr 228ht's

The 1099's are DIY speakers that are very highly regarded
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^^ Sens factor = -6.876db on my Umik-1. Yours is 10% less.
Tony this looks like I should be concerned, should I? What can I do to verify that the sensitivity is correct? Thanks, I am a bit concerned.

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I have some higher end kimber digital cables on hand not being used anymore- can these be used for subwoofer cables?
You should have no problem using digital cable for subwoofers. Digital cable make very good analog connections as well. I use these in a lot of my analog applications, highly recommended.

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/...udio/index.htm

Scroll down to see them, Belden 1694A digital cables, if you look in the stereo analog cable section you will also see the Belden 1694A cable for use as IC's. Subwoofer application is fine as well.

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Tony this looks like I should be concerned, should I? What can I do to verify that the sensitivity is correct? Thanks, I am a bit concerned.

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Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps ask in Jerry's thread?
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The lineup is

Mtm210's
Cx10's
212ht's
1099's
Now that's my kind of GTG. Should be a great time.
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Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps ask in Jerry's thread?
Thanks Tony, I honestly don't know as well. I have a ticket submitted to miniDSP concerning this, I have two UMIKs one is a - and the other is not, so I'm confused. I'm probably making a big deal about nothing, hopefully miniDSP can verify my results. Thanks
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Is it the 228HT ($1300) or the 228HTR ($1900)?

The 228HTR is the $1900 speaker, keep in mind that it uses a BMS coax compression driver 4593 that retails for almost $900. It's a turn 3-way speaker. That's why there's such a price difference.
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Yes, be sure to post results. I have both the CX10's and the 1099's in different rooms of course. The 1099's are in the smaller room. I want to be blown away just like that maxell blow me away photo from years ago. Which do I like better? The 1099's. A little brighter sounding which is my preference. Just played Fury Road intro on CX10's and they sounded great too. They will be getting a sub soon. I do want to hear the reports of the difference between the CX10's and the MT210's.

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Excited to find out my V1800 is on a container and headed to Australia
Not so excited about the pricing. The V1800 is $3100, $100 more than a PB13 ultra
Oh well, looking on the bright side, it's lucky I didn't pre order the the $3400 S3000i
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did you order from www.deephzaudio.com in austrailia?


For the price difference I would of went with a pair of XV15se...you could of got 2 XV15's for the price of 1 V1800...the V1800 is a sharp looking sub tho!! Congrats

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Excited to find out my V1800 is on a container and headed to Australia
Not so excited about the pricing. The V1800 is $3100, $100 more than a PB13 ultra
Oh well, looking on the bright side, it's lucky I didn't pre order the the $3400 S3000i
I know our first instinct is to compare USA vs USA pricing but there's quite a few variables in the equation which really limits the "apples to apples" aspect of that. Better to compare the overall performance and base the value judgement on that. I know we're behind in website updates but the 16-100hz of the V1800 is approx double the pb13u(20hz mode)...weighted to the upper bass. If you ever have the chance, try em' side by side and let us know your thoughts..

Thank you very much for the order too ebonyant, please be sure to let me know if you have ANY questions about potential placement, setup, etc.

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Has anyone here had experience with the s3600i yet?getting ready to buy. Was thinking the s3000i in my 2500cf room.only want to go one sub.need hi output levels when cranking music first and formost.thanks

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Hi output, music first, S3600i...not a bad combo.

You'll be around 7-8 Velodyne DD18+ subs in the 50-120hz range...so not bad...

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I recently got an S-1500. Running Audyssey, I had to keep turning the gain down because the Audyssey calibration kept ending with a -12 dB level. I called PSA and was told the gain on the new subwoofers is very sensitive, and he said 9 o'clock is a good starting point. I tried around 9 O'clock and got a -7 dB. I would rather have a little more room to increase level for my liking (I like to add 3-6 dB and would rather not have level set that close to 0), so I did another Audyssey run with the gain set to a little past 9:30 position. I was hoping for a -9 or so level but the run came back with -11.5. -11.5 is a high absolute value but it is within the maximum -12, so it is a workable measurement versus the -12 result that were actually likely much more outside the -12.

Is -11.5 Audyssey calibrated line level okay or would I benefit from decreasing the gain a little more until I got closer to a -9 or so result?
Any particular reason you want to avoid a bass setting of *00*? Just curious?

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I guess you could do that, but then you would not have a flat frequency response. I believe the recommendation is to set it to large and leave it there and let Audyssey do its thing. That is what I did and I have nice flat line and then room gain helps me below port tune so I get some decent performance down to 10-11Hz.
I'd agree for the most part. don't try to "trick" the S1500 into boosting the bottom end. It won't hurt anything but I'd expect the overall sound quality to suffer a bit.

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Any particular reason you want to avoid a bass setting of *00*? Just curious?

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No reason other than reading not to have it go positive, so I figure more negative was better.
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