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1) Yes
2) No, above and to sides
3) I have a old SVS 25-31PCi, funnily enough I have had noise complaints but never due to bass. I haven't run my sub past 50% gain. My living room opens into 3 other rooms so there's a lot of open area to pressurize and I want that impactful bass but not sure if it can be done in an apt

I meant the XV15se btw in my post.
Which receiver and speakers are you using? Also, what crossover(bass management) are you using for the speakers?

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Here is the Mac work around I used. I got this from Brian F.

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Thanks Hopinator. I have read this but thought it did not apply. Must have been too late at night. THis statement says it all:

When you need to run REW at 48 kHz. Most input devices will happily run at 44.1 kHz, but there are a few exceptions, such as the miniDSP UMIK.

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Any reviews on the large/small room settings of any of the new PSA subwoofers - like difference people heard in the settings?
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Now I'm looking at this sub...

V3600i.. WOW! Looks like a beast.
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Which receiver and speakers are you using? Also, what crossover(bass management) are you using for the speakers?

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Receiver is Yamaha RX-V675, crossed over at 80Hz, I have Axiom M22 bookshelves but will be replacing them with Infinity Primus P363.
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Receiver is Yamaha RX-V675, crossed over at 80Hz, I have Axiom M22 bookshelves but will be replacing them with Infinity Primus P363.
I'm not really sure if you'll be able to take advantage of all the benefits the XV15se will provide over the 25-31PCi. I think you'll find the overall SQ improves a bit---even at low/moderate levels. And, of course, you have the free shipping both ways so you can always audition one risk free. If you get a lot of new complaints,I can have a return shipping label off to you in a few minutes..

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Well...I've been talking about it for a while but the time has finally come... I just ordered my 2nd V3600. It should be here the middle of this week. While I was at it I also picked up a pair of the 110sr's.

I'm trading in my XV15se so I imagine there will be a B-stock XV15se available soon (if anyone has been waiting for one).
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Well...I've been talking about it for a while but the time has finally come... I just ordered my 2nd V3600. It should be here the middle of this week. While I was at it I also picked up a pair of the 110sr's.

I'm trading in my XV15se so I imagine there will be a B-stock XV15se available soon (if anyone has been waiting for one).
Hi Hop!! What size is the room you'll be putting the dual v3600s in??

I'm toying with the same idea but my room is not that big. 18x19x9 ..
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On your back? I agree. 400-450 pounds...with its shape...I mean this would be nigh impossible to move..

Don't think Jim and I are not constantly working on new projects. What sees the light of day(made available on our website) probably represents 10% of our ideas/proto-types. We can't just ask XYZ if they can get us 100 21" drivers in 3 months and then announce a pre-order tomorrow though. We have to get 6 of them, build a few proto types, measure, torture, listen. Very likely make at least 1-2 rounds of driver tweaks(1-4 week lead times on new versions). Tweak the box sizing/design each time. I mean, we're looking at.....4-6 months best case to approach a final/optimized system. THEN, we're still 6-8 weeks out on the final cabinet and drivers(lead time from vendors). That's just how long the process is when proper engineering is involved. There's no way to shorten it unless you are willing to make significant compromises regarding system optimization. That's not going to happen around here..

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Well...I've been talking about it for a while but the time has finally come... I just ordered my 2nd V3600. It should be here the middle of this week. While I was at it I also picked up a pair of the 110sr's.

I'm trading in my XV15se so I imagine there will be a B-stock XV15se available soon (if anyone has been waiting for one).
Hop you aren't messing around!!!!!!!! Congrats!!!!!!!!
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I just moved up on the PSA sub food chain bought an XS30se.....
So far I am loving it in my medium sized room but I have yet to run a full calibration and tests....
I put my S1500 for sale on this forum if anybody wants a companion sub to their single 15 would be a great companion...
Gabor1: I'm glad you're enjoying the XS30SE, I would use your S1500 as a trade in towards another XS30SE and call it a day.
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Gabor1: I'm glad you're enjoying the XS30SE, I would use your S1500 as a trade in towards another XS30SE and call it a day.

Does PSA have a trade-in program like SVS'?
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Hop you aren't messing around!!!!!!!! Congrats!!!!!!!!
Thanks Mike. Yeah I went all in today when I was talking with Tom. I can't imagine I will need any more subwooferage for awhile. If I think I do then I'll get myself a CAT scan.
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Now I'm looking at this sub...

V3600i.. WOW! Looks like a beast.
It is a beast and it's a pretty special subwoofer IMO. It's powerful, very powerful... but it's also tight and clean and plays music very well (again IMO). I have had a single V3600 for about three months and it's been incredible.

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Hi Hop!! What size is the room you'll be putting the dual v3600s in??

I'm toying with the same idea but my room is not that big. 18x19x9 ..
I have a pretty large room…well the room isn't that large but it opens to a hallway and a stairwell so in the end the open area is somewhere around 5500 cu ft (more if I forget to close a few doors).

My single V3600 did just fine in my room but the sub is just so darn addicting I really wanted to add a second. I can't say I need more bass but I want more bass and a 2nd V3600 will definitely take care of that. I really can't say enough about this sub.

Perhaps some of the other guys who have them will add their thoughts but I love having mine and I'm very excited to be adding a 2nd.
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Well...I've been talking about it for a while but the time has finally come... I just ordered my 2nd V3600. It should be here the middle of this week. While I was at it I also picked up a pair of the 110sr's.

I'm trading in my XV15se so I imagine there will be a B-stock XV15se available soon (if anyone has been waiting for one).
Hell yeah Hop!! Congrats! I am still loving my 3600 as well for both music and movies. As I have mentioned, the 3600 is a beautiful match with my PB13s and noticeably better vs my old tried and true 12/2. Duals in your room will be awesome!

I am really dying to get some 110s for surround duty, but I am hoping for a bstock to pop up which probably wont happen. I will probably just have to cave and pay normal price at some point.
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Hell yeah Hop!! Congrats! I am still loving my 3600 as well for both music and movies. As I have mentioned, the 3600 is a beautiful match with my PB13s and noticeably better vs my old tried and true 12/2. Duals in your room will be awesome!

I am really dying to get some 110s for surround duty, but I am hoping for a bstock to pop up which probably wont happen. I will probably just have to cave and pay normal price at some point.
Thanks Toe. I had been waiting for b-stock 110sr's as well but I gave up. Plus I realized I've only ever seen them in the outlet center once and that was months and months ago. So I caved and ordered them.
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Did some more testing on my XS30se. After using LineIn and Soundflower for the MAC, I think I finally got everything working in REW. The results that I attached are 1" from driver. Still not real smooth but better. In all of your opinion, and knowing what you all know of the quality output from these subs, am I close with REW or do I need more homework?
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Well...I've been talking about it for a while but the time has finally come... I just ordered my 2nd V3600. It should be here the middle of this week. While I was at it I also picked up a pair of the 110sr's.

I'm trading in my XV15se so I imagine there will be a B-stock XV15se available soon (if anyone has been waiting for one).
Congratulations, Hop! You will be one of the few that can replicate the Maxell speaker guy in real life.



I've experienced "just" a single V3600i and it is absolutely ridiculous. If you weren't hard of hearing before, you will be now!

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Congratulations, Hop! You will be one of the few that can replicate the Maxell speaker guy in real life.



I've experienced "just" a single V3600i and it is absolutely ridiculous. If you weren't hard of hearing before, you will be now!

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When I was in high school I had that poster hanging in my room. Hmmmm…maybe that's why I've been upgrading this year, I must want to be that guy.
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HOP!!!

you da man!

dual 3600's AND mt110sr's? hello perfect system!!

you'll love the surrounds...you will be so surprised how much great surround speakers are...I was a non believer thinking the info wasn't great enough to warrant 1100/pr speakers for the surround duty....but that is not even close to being the case


looking forward to your thoughts!
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When I was in high school I had that poster hanging in my room. Hmmmm…maybe that's why I've been upgrading this year, I must want to be that guy.
Some guys had girls on their walls, we had speaker porn.

Glad I wasn't the only one - too bad mine didn't come down nicely as I used about 4 rolls of tape to put it up when I was younger. Same with my Ghostbusters poster. Aww I'm sad now.
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Any reviews on the large/small room settings of any of the new PSA subwoofers - like difference people heard in the settings?
Checker9, this is a graphic of the filter settings when adjusting the Room Size knob on the V3600i sent to me by Tom. (I did request permission before posting!) The rolloffs will translate fairly well to any of the ICE amp-based subs from PSA.

Black is 100% Large
Red is 75%
Blue is 50%
Gray is 25%
Orange is Small



This setting is very much a "salt and pepper" knob, so there is no right and wrong answer; it's entirely your choice and what you like hearing. One of my friends has his S3000i set to 100% large and one of my other friends likes his V3600i to about 75%. I like it at about 25%.

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Did some more testing on my XS30se. After using LineIn and Soundflower for the MAC, I think I finally got everything working in REW. The results that I attached are 1" from driver. Still not real smooth but better. In all of your opinion, and knowing what you all know of the quality output from these subs, am I close with REW or do I need more homework?
Your graph is not scaled correctly for starters. You should take measurements from your LP. Now if you are taking both measurements (1" from driver and LP)to compare response that is fine. It still looks like something is up with the measuring mic or software. No way the sub is rolling off that fast...

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When I was in high school I had that poster hanging in my room. Hmmmm…maybe that's why I've been upgrading this year, I must want to be that guy.
I need to find a large size poster of this for hanging in my entertainment room.

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Your graph is not scaled correctly for starters. You should take measurements from your LP. Now if you are taking both measurements (1" from driver and LP)to compare response that is fine. It still looks like something is up with the measuring mic or software. No way the sub is rolling off that fast...
basshead,

Thanks for replying. The goal here is to see if I am setup correctly by doing measurements 1" from driver.

The black line is the Mic Cal (or am I wrong?). I should have removed that. The magenta is the result with Mic 1" from driver using 0 degree calibration file. I generated a 10-200Hz signal through HDMI. I am not using listening position in this reading. I am just trying to determine if my REW/mic is setup correctly. I figure I should get a pretty straight line from 20-200 if it is. How do you suggest I scale?

I keep running into one road block after another with setup. The MAC in itself is a challenge. I followed guides specific to that only to read later that i don't need LineIN and SoundFLower anymore (AUGH!). I get to work this morning and start prepping my Win10 laptop for REW only to read that REW can't see the UNIK1.
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Well...I've been talking about it for a while but the time has finally come... I just ordered my 2nd V3600. It should be here the middle of this week. While I was at it I also picked up a pair of the 110sr's.

I'm trading in my XV15se so I imagine there will be a B-stock XV15se available soon (if anyone has been waiting for one).
WOW HOP! I cannot even imagine what that would do to my room....I have been thinking about another V3600 myself, but alking with Tom Friday night, I will be placing an order soon for some 210s, to upgrade from some Polk monitor 70's. I really want to hear the difference with these speakers that you all are talking about. I do like the AMDC 2.0, but still need to spend so more time with it.
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WOW HOP! I cannot even imagine what that would do to my room....I have been thinking about another V3600 myself, but alking with Tom Friday night, I will be placing an order soon for some 210s, to upgrade from some Polk monitor 70's. I really want to hear the difference with these speakers that you all are talking about. I do like the AMDC 2.0, but still need to spend so more time with it.
That's the way to go IMO....new speakers. Nothing against the current gear but I have a feeling you are going to feel that the 210s are one of the biggest audio upgrades you've made..

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35-`100hz looks ok...+/- 2dB or so anyway. Something is wrong with the measurement rig <40hz though. It is almost like you're using A weighting or something?

You should be down 5dB or so (max) around 20hz.


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That's the way to go IMO....new speakers. Nothing against the current gear but I have a feeling you are going to feel that the 210s are one of the biggest audio upgrades you've made..

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Biggest probably the V3600, just kidding Tom. Will give you a call after the first of the month. Thanks again for calling me Friday and working on the AMDC with me.
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@lizrussspike ,

I went from Monitor 65ts to the PSA 210s. Yeah, you're in for a treat!

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