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HOP!!!

you da man!

dual 3600's AND mt110sr's? hello perfect system!!

you'll love the surrounds...you will be so surprised how much great surround speakers are...I was a non believer thinking the info wasn't great enough to warrant 1100/pr speakers for the surround duty....but that is not even close to being the case


looking forward to your thoughts!
Thanks Brian. I'm really looking forward to getting the new gear delivered and set up. You haven't been wrong yet on the PSA speakers so I know the surrounds are going to be incredible. I will definitely report back with my impressions. But for now I have to wait for delivery...Patience is not something I'm known for.
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WOW HOP! I cannot even imagine what that would do to my room....I have been thinking about another V3600 myself, but alking with Tom Friday night, I will be placing an order soon for some 210s, to upgrade from some Polk monitor 70's. I really want to hear the difference with these speakers that you all are talking about. I do like the AMDC 2.0, but still need to spend so more time with it.
Thanks liz. I agree with Tom. I had the Polk Rti-a7 speakers for L/R channels and the Csi-a6 for the center before I decided to get the PSA 110's. I really liked my Polks but the 110's are on a different level all together IMO. I think you will be very happy with your purchase. I'm really looking forward to reading your impressions.

Don't worry about not getting the 2nd V3600 right now because I'm willing to bet that one still makes it into your home sometime down the road. Wanting two V3600's is an itch that's hard to ignore.
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Well...I've been talking about it for a while but the time has finally come... I just ordered my 2nd V3600. It should be here the middle of this week. While I was at it I also picked up a pair of the 110sr's.

I'm trading in my XV15se so I imagine there will be a B-stock XV15se available soon (if anyone has been waiting for one).
Awesome and congrats!! I think this just might be the end of the road for you as far as subs go. Not to say you may not upgrade in terms of eq optoins or room treatment, but this should give you above reference level capability down to, I am guessing, mid to low teens. Having clean, compression free, nearly limitless output is sweet! Look forward to your results.
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Did some more testing on my XS30se. After using LineIn and Soundflower for the MAC, I think I finally got everything working in REW. The results that I attached are 1" from driver. Still not real smooth but better. In all of your opinion, and knowing what you all know of the quality output from these subs, am I close with REW or do I need more homework?
I think close mic measurements are rather meaningless for the user. Useful in a review maybe to show the native response of the sub while eliminating the room, but this doesn't really do anything for the user. What matters is the response at the MLP, or the averaged response across listening positions.
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I think close mic measurements are rather meaningless for the user. Useful in a review maybe to show the native response of the sub while eliminating the room, but this doesn't really do anything for the user. What matters is the response at the MLP, or the averaged response across listening positions.
I told him to do NF just to check the measurement rig accuracy.

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Awesome and congrats!! I think this just might be the end of the road for you as far as subs go. Not to say you may not upgrade in terms of eq optoins or room treatment, but this should give you above reference level capability down to, I am guessing, mid to low teens. Having clean, compression free, nearly limitless output is sweet! Look forward to your results.
Thanks Bear. I think you are right and that's why I decided to go ahead and do this. I wanted to get to my speakers and subs to the level where I have wanted them. Next up will be exactly what you mentioned, treatments and possible EQ options.
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You may be right, I have already ordered the P363 and will compare. Actually I lied a little, my current speakers are not Axiom M22 but Michaura M55, which were made by Axiom for another company that didn't make it, the speakers are very similar although I'm sure some things are different but they were very highly regarded back in the day.

Another question - my living room is ~1600 ft^3, its open to kitchen and another open space so I'm guessing total is around 2500 ft^3, I haven't really been considering sealed subs because its not a closed room, but should I be? From what I understand ported sub like XV15se will have more output and really no compromises.
I was/am in a similar situation as you as far as subs go...apartment dwelling (top floor/corner) with about 2700cu.ft. space for my theater room. I jumped from Energy Take Classics to a Energy LCR/RC-10 front stage with Mirage OMD-5s for surround duty, and wanted a better sub to go along with it. The long-term goal is to be in a house or more isolated living space in the next couple of years, so I wanted to future-proof a bit on a subwoofer if possible. I opted for an XS15se, which I calibrate with Audyssey and then drop by about 2-3dB on my receiver. In my opinion, as long as you're responsible and reasonable, your neighbors shouldn't really care about you having a sub. I typically turn my sub off after 9PM during the week, and I'll usually stick to that on weekends unless I have guests and we're watching something. At that point, I may drop the level another dB or so.

Of course YMMV. Even at lower output levels, there's something incredibly satisfying about clean, articulate bass. Also, in my case the family below me has a screaming early-elementary child who stays up yelling until 11PM on some nights. When that happens, I just consider my XS15se my screaming child.
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I was/am in a similar situation as you as far as subs go...apartment dwelling (top floor/corner) with about 2700cu.ft. space for my theater room. I jumped from Energy Take Classics to a Energy LCR/RC-10 front stage with Mirage OMD-5s for surround duty, and wanted a better sub to go along with it. The long-term goal is to be in a house or more isolated living space in the next couple of years, so I wanted to future-proof a bit on a subwoofer if possible. I opted for an XS15se, which I calibrate with Audyssey and then drop by about 2-3dB on my receiver. In my opinion, as long as you're responsible and reasonable, your neighbors shouldn't really care about you having a sub. I typically turn my sub off after 9PM during the week, and I'll usually stick to that on weekends unless I have guests and we're watching something. At that point, I may drop the level another dB or so.

Of course YMMV. Even at lower output levels, there's something incredibly satisfying about clean, articulate bass. Also, in my case the family below me has a screaming early-elementary child who stays up yelling until 11PM on some nights. When that happens, I just consider my XS15se my screaming child.
Thanks, so this means that a sealed sub like the XS15se might be an option for me. Like I said I never really considered them before since I thought the space was too much for room gain and I'd lose a lot of output.
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@Jim , congrats my friend on the 2nd 3600 and 110 surrounds, I told you long ago that you don't know what you're missing until you know...... You think your front stage is holographic now, wait till you fill in the side and rear of your MLP.

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Just wondering what everyone thought about some different options for new subs. Currently I am in a 8800 cu. ft open space, half of which we use for HT (100% HT). We will be here for 1-2 years, and then moving to a home with a dedicated enclosed home theater of 2600 cu. ft. Currently we have one PB2000. I was hoping to buy something now that will 'improve' the bass in this big space, but be excellent for the next place. We currently watch bluray material at a MV of -10 or so, and it is mostly 2 people watching (so all listening positions probably don't have to be perfect).

I am not in the US so I don't have free trials, and I will list the prices that we pay in Australia just for reference in making decisions. My thinking is to sell the PB2000 and buy all new-although, I could keep it I suppose if it was worth doing.

1- Dual V1800s ($6198 pair)
2- Dual V1500s ($4900 pair)
3- Single V3600 and keep PB2000 nearfield ($4250)
4- Single V3600 and sell PB2000
5- Something else? Eg, 1 x V1800 or V1500 and keep the PB-2000? Sealed? Other?


Appreciate your thoughts.
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@Jim , congrats my friend on the 2nd 3600 and 110 surrounds, I told you long ago that you don't know what you're missing until you know...... You think your front stage is holographic now, wait till you fill in the side and rear of your MLP.

Cheers Jeffrey
Thanks Jeff. My new sub and speakers are in transit. I can't wait.

You have to love PSA's ability to get your gear to you. I put my order in Sunday afternoon and by Monday my crossovers were being hand built and the speakers assembled (by the man who designed and engineered them no less), and then everything (including a beastly subwoofer) was shipped within 24 hours. I love it.
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Just wondering what everyone thought about some different options for new subs. Currently I am in a 8800 cu. ft open space, half of which we use for HT (100% HT). We will be here for 1-2 years, and then moving to a home with a dedicated enclosed home theater of 2600 cu. ft. Currently we have one PB2000. I was hoping to buy something now that will 'improve' the bass in this big space, but be excellent for the next place. We currently watch bluray material at a MV of -10 or so, and it is mostly 2 people watching (so all listening positions probably don't have to be perfect).

I am not in the US so I don't have free trials, and I will list the prices that we pay in Australia just for reference in making decisions. My thinking is to sell the PB2000 and buy all new-although, I could keep it I suppose if it was worth doing.

1- Dual V1800s ($6198 pair)
2- Dual V1500s ($4900 pair)
3- Single V3600 and keep PB2000 nearfield ($4250)
4- Single V3600 and sell PB2000
5- Something else? Eg, 1 x V1800 or V1500 and keep the PB-2000? Sealed? Other?


Appreciate your thoughts.
Of the options you listed, I would most certainly go with the dual V1800 and sell your PB2000. There is zero use for that little pup when you bring in the big dogs. The V1800 is just on an entirely different level when compared to anything SVS offers. That is a massive space - anything less just wouldn't cut it, IMHO. Plus, when you downsize rooms, you will have crazy pressurization and placement options to smooth the bass response in both the current and future spaces.

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For the price difference I would go 3 - V1500's. They will come close to the 1800's upper bass and have more deep bass. Keep in mind 1 for 1 the V1500 has slightly more 16-25hz output, but the V1800 pulls ahead above 30hz. I like the V1800 a lot but I do not think it's 650.00 better on paper.

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Thanks liz. I agree with Tom. I had the Polk Rti-a7 speakers for L/R channels and the Csi-a6 for the center before I decided to get the PSA 110's. I really liked my Polks but the 110's are on a different level all together IMO. I think you will be very happy with your purchase. I'm really looking forward to reading your impressions.

Don't worry about not getting the 2nd V3600 right now because I'm willing to bet that one still makes it into your home sometime down the road. Wanting two V3600's is an itch that's hard to ignore.
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So you have the 110s right now? I am sure that coming from Polk, the upgrade will be awesone, as I have not been let down by a PSA product yet! As far as the V3600 itch, it is there, but I cannot do that right now. Would need to sell one or both of the XV15SEs....
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I may have gotten to the bottom of the measurements. IT appears the USB extension cable was not allowing the MAC to see the MIC. So hopefully my results are accurate now. I will post in 4 separate posts. These first 2 are SPL and Waterfall of 2 PSA XS30se subs connected into AM8033 in Bypass mode. Audyssey in AVR is off. I am still concerned about the low points near 20 and 40. Should I be? Is the MACBook or Marantz AVR limiting the 20Hz region?
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These next 2 are SPL and Waterfall of both subs after AntiMode calibration. The unit applied lift at 25 and 35. Audyssey in AVR is off. The dip around 40 and 80 is a bit bothersome. I can keep moving subs but not sure how much better just moving them will do
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This last set is of both subs with AM and the main Mirage 7si towers connected. Audyssey in AVR is off. I have to say it sounds better but I have more tweaking and still awaiting new tower speakers. I am not too concerned with this one as the new speakers may be totally different.
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If I were you I would run audyssey sans the antimode....once that is run...THEN run the antimode claibration

see if that helps

to me it looks like your subs are out of phase with each other causing cancellation
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If I were you I would run audyssey sans the antimode....once that is run...THEN run the antimode claibration

see if that helps

to me it looks like your subs are out of phase with each other causing cancellation
I realized I deleted the graph of just one sub. The second sub did help that graph. Will re-do that one tonight

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Just wondering what everyone thought about some different options for new subs. Currently I am in a 8800 cu. ft open space, half of which we use for HT (100% HT). We will be here for 1-2 years, and then moving to a home with a dedicated enclosed home theater of 2600 cu. ft. Currently we have one PB2000. I was hoping to buy something now that will 'improve' the bass in this big space, but be excellent for the next place. We currently watch bluray material at a MV of -10 or so, and it is mostly 2 people watching (so all listening positions probably don't have to be perfect).

I am not in the US so I don't have free trials, and I will list the prices that we pay in Australia just for reference in making decisions. My thinking is to sell the PB2000 and buy all new-although, I could keep it I suppose if it was worth doing.

1- Dual V1800s ($6198 pair)
2- Dual V1500s ($4900 pair)
3- Single V3600 and keep PB2000 nearfield ($4250)
4- Single V3600 and sell PB2000
5- Something else? Eg, 1 x V1800 or V1500 and keep the PB-2000? Sealed? Other?


Appreciate your thoughts.

Deep Hz Audio still has the older models in stock that may be worth considering. Dual XV30F SE $5500. Dual xv15se $3025 or even dual xs30se $4600 would be nice for when go to the smaller room.
If your lucky enough to live in Melbourne get in touch with Peter at Deep Hz, I believe he will do in house demos.
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For the price difference I would go 3 - V1500's. They will come close to the 1800's upper bass and have more deep bass. Keep in mind 1 for 1 the V1500 has slightly more 16-25hz output, but the V1800 pulls ahead above 30hz. I like the V1800 a lot but I do not think it's 650.00 better on paper.
Hi Bass,
I don't fully agree with you about the v1800 not being worth the price difference. With pre order discounts it's $600, less than 25%. Plus it's only Aussie dollars
I also think the difference above 30hz is fairly significant, 4.0- 4.6 difference. The 129.1 at 31-50hz is only 3.2 down from the V3600.
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Thanks, so this means that a sealed sub like the XS15se might be an option for me. Like I said I never really considered them before since I thought the space was too much for room gain and I'd lose a lot of output.
I also have the XS15SE and i live in an apartment.I love my sub as long as you are responsible considering your neighbors then it should not be an issue.
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Just wondering what everyone thought about some different options for new subs. Currently I am in a 8800 cu. ft open space, half of which we use for HT (100% HT). We will be here for 1-2 years, and then moving to a home with a dedicated enclosed home theater of 2600 cu. ft. Currently we have one PB2000. I was hoping to buy something now that will 'improve' the bass in this big space, but be excellent for the next place. We currently watch bluray material at a MV of -10 or so, and it is mostly 2 people watching (so all listening positions probably don't have to be perfect).

I am not in the US so I don't have free trials, and I will list the prices that we pay in Australia just for reference in making decisions. My thinking is to sell the PB2000 and buy all new-although, I could keep it I suppose if it was worth doing.

1- Dual V1800s ($6198 pair)
2- Dual V1500s ($4900 pair)
3- Single V3600 and keep PB2000 nearfield ($4250)
4- Single V3600 and sell PB2000
5- Something else? Eg, 1 x V1800 or V1500 and keep the PB-2000? Sealed? Other?


Appreciate your thoughts.
I converted all 3 into USD and calculated the UPCHARGE (price increase )

V1800 - Auz $3099 each or $2193 - 69% upcharge
V1500 - Auz $2450 each or $1734 - 58% upcharge
V3600 - Auz $4250 each or $3007 - 50% upcharge

@ $2000 in USA, V3600 has the most output per dollar to begin with, and it has the lowest upcharge in the Australian market.

So I would choose #3, Single V3600 and keep PB2000 nearfield ($4250) . It actually is the cheapest. Besides, he still has the option to go to #4 .

bohn might find V3600 to be enough for his current room. After he moves to the smaller room, V3600 might just be all he needs.
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Four subs in the outlet center....S1500-b, S3000i-b, V1800-b and XS30se-b. I am sure that those of you on the fence will jump on these deals!
I mean an S1500-b for 899.99! If I did not have three PSA subs...I would jump on this one!
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For the price difference I would go 3 - V1500's. They will come close to the 1800's upper bass and have more deep bass. Keep in mind 1 for 1 the V1500 has slightly more 16-25hz output, but the V1800 pulls ahead above 30hz. I like the V1800 a lot but I do not think it's 650.00 better on paper.

I guess 0.1 db is "slightly" more output. The approx. 4 db that the V18 has over the V15 everywhere else is substantial though. However, the price difference is only $200 here.
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Thanks, so this means that a sealed sub like the XS15se might be an option for me. Like I said I never really considered them before since I thought the space was too much for room gain and I'd lose a lot of output.
There is a V1800 b stock at the outlet for $1150. It has your name on it!

Output wise, V1800 is basically 2 S1500s. Go for it!
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There is a V1800 b stock at the outlet for $1150. It has your name on it!

Output wise, V1800 is basically 2 S1500s. Go for it!
Nice chucky7, way to keep thje PSA subs moving! That is a good price.
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Hi Bass,
I don't fully agree with you about the v1800 not being worth the price difference. With pre order discounts it's $600, less than 25%. Plus it's only Aussie dollars
I also think the difference above 30hz is fairly significant, 4.0- 4.6 difference. The 129.1 at 31-50hz is only 3.2 down from the V3600.
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That's fine...we all can have our own opinion. Output above 30hz is plentiful on both, it's the deepest bass that most want more of. I do think the V1800 is worth the extra US price (1099.00 vs 1299.00).
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