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I'm thinking s3000i duals, I'm afraid of the s3600!!

I appreciate the testimonial, I'm still trying to decide if I want to get some other company's sub and try it too, or just try the PSA and perhaps stop there if I like it.
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My s3600i is still sitting in chicago after two days.only 3hrs from me.i should have went and got it

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Just wanted to pop in real quick after a long while and say that my XV15se is still alive and kicking ass. After I settled into the daily use phase (after the "try out every movie with bass at top volume phase), it has settled nicely into my overall setup.

I can say that I really know now just what low bass sounds/feels like (within it's range), I understand now that it takes power to get there, and I think that I made the right choice with this sub. I don't see myself needing anything more, expect maybe a second one someday to deliver full room response better.
Omni, You will not be let down. I started with a single XV15SE, and then about 8 months later got another one. It did seem to fill the room more with the second one. My room is somewhat open and is 22 X 12, and I never even thought about sending the second one back once I got it.
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neither did i with my dual xv15se's.....well, until i pulled the trigger on the v3600.
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No need to worry, you're not alone. All our wives think we're crazy and chances are they may be right.
I put a 65inch Samsung slim in my bedroom this weekend. My wife thinks I'm crazy! It takes up the whole wall next to a closet door, I Love It!!
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Just a quck update, I was able to spend sometime with my S3600I and it did not disappoint. First off the build quality is top notch, I love the round edges, very classy PSA. I decided to throw some music at the S3600I and it performed like a top notch musical sub should, at first I was thinking there is no way a 18 inch sub should sound this precise with music, no matter the material the S3600I played it accurately with weight that I have never experience before. I then threw some demo movie scenes its way and I was floored by its output and accuracy, every action scene now sounded like it was happening in my room. The S3600I's performance will definitely draw you into the movie. Its output is second to none as action scenes felt like I was involved in a prize fight and my opponent was landing every punch he threw, very impressive. The S3600I will hit and shake you like no other. This sub hits HARD but can also be delicate when called upon.

Anyone looking to upgrade from a XS30SE, I say go for it. The S3600I is a nicer looking sub with its classy rounded edges and its size is impressive but not too big. It's like a XS30SE on steroids, it just hits so hard and its accuracy\ pitch definition on music and movies are very impressive. Congrats PSA you did it again.

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I am all in for the 210s, just waiting a few more days closer the 1st. Should have them by mid next week. Then to get the wife and girsl out of the house for a few hours to run Audysey and AMDC 2.0 Can't wait to be amazed! Thanks to you, HOP and TOE, I am all in for PSA! Maybe I should change my career path and move to Ohio? I know shipping is free, but maybe I could work for rent, and then demo speakers and subs all day What a Glorious Day that would be.
Russ you're quite welcome my friend. I live an hour away from Jim and Tom in Mineral Ridge. Yeah I live a hour away from PSA, I've been trying to get down there to visit for two years now, hopefully when I get my affairs in order I can spend some time with the guys and see what they have brewing down there. I'll make sure I leave my wallet and CCs at home, I know I can't come home empty handed. Anxious to hear your thoughts on the 210s when you get them.

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Omni, You will not be let down. I started with a single XV15SE, and then about 8 months later got another one. It did seem to fill the room more with the second one. My room is somewhat open and is 22 X 12, and I never even thought about sending the second one back once I got it.
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neither did i with my dual xv15se's.....well, until i pulled the trigger on the v3600.
Me too Dig. I started with one XV15 and then added a 2nd one and loved them. Never considered sending them back. Until I brought home my first V3600…. Of course that led to a 2nd V3600.

The XV15se is a GREAT subwoofer. It took a beast like the V3600 to lure me away form it.
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Russ you're quite welcome my friend. I live an hour away from Jim and Tom in Mineral Ridge. Yeah I live a hour away from PSA, I've been trying to get down there to visit for two years now, hopefully when I get my affairs in order I can spend some time with the guys and see what they have brewing down there. I'll make sure I leave my wallet and CCs at home, I know I can't come home empty handed. Anxious to hear your thoughts on the 210s when you get them.

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You're right Jeff, leave your wallet at home when you visit PSA.

I'm scared to think what would happen if I lived an hour away from PSA. I'd probably be there every weekend. I'd also be divorced, broke and eating Raman Noodles three times a day. But I'd have a 9.4 setup with four V3600's and nine 210's/110's.

Yeah... it's good thing I don't live every close.
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Anyone looking to upgrade from a XS30SE, I say go for it. The S3600I is a nicer looking sub with its classy rounded edges and its size is impressive but not too big. It's like a XS30SE on steroids, it just hits so hard and its accuracy\ pitch definition on music and movies are very impressive. Congrats PSA you did it again.
It surprises me that the S3600i would outdo the XS30se by THAT large of a margin. I would assume it would be a step up, but not much more than that. May I ask at what loudness levels you play music and movies?

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It surprises me that the S3600i would outdo the XS30se by THAT large of a margin. I would assume it would be a step up, but not much more than that. May I ask at what loudness levels you play music and movies?
PSA has new charts up to compare similar PSA products.

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It surprises me that the S3600i would outdo the XS30se by THAT large of a margin. I would assume it would be a step up, but not much more than that. May I ask at what loudness levels you play music and movies?

It takes close to 2 XS30SE to equal 1 S3600I. I was listening between -17 and -10 and was running the sub about 4db's hot. The S3600I has more "weight" to its sound and also plays so effortlessly. Give it a try, trust me you won't be returning it


The XS30SE is a great sub and I would not say that the XS30SE got embarrassed by any means. The S3600I has more brute force and weight to its sound and that's what separates the 2 subs.
If anyone is happy with the output of their XS30SE then stay put but if you are looking for more I recommend jumping up to the S3600I.
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It takes close to 2 XS30SE to equal 1 S3600I.

Above 25hz it does, for anything below that the good old XS30 still does very well for itself! I got to visit my old XS30's just this past week, I still think they are terrific subs.
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Thanks to oneeyeblind, Mike Butny and jbrown for your input. As many here know, I returned an S3000i (and really did ... and do ... have regrets). I also don't listen at reference levels, so when I see these types of numbers (c'mon, 130 dB plus from 31 Hz to 100Hz?) I know I won't come close to those levels. I'm shocked anyone could listen at those levels. I'd be lucky to have a sub's output levels near 105 dB from 31 Hz and above (measured at my listening position). Like the S3000i, the S3600i's performance would probably be wasted on me .

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You're right Jeff, leave your wallet at home when you visit PSA.

I'm scared to think what would happen if I lived an hour away from PSA. I'd probably be there every weekend. I'd also be divorced, broke and eating Raman Noodles three times a day. But I'd have a 9.4 setup with four V3600's and nine 210's/110's.

Yeah... it's good thing I don't live every close.
That's what I 'm talking about Hop! a 9.4 with four V3600s, I can just see and hear the drywall cracking!!!
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Thanks to oneeyeblind, Mike Butny and jbrown for your input. As many here know, I returned an S3000i (and really did ... and do ... have regrets). I also don't listen at reference levels, so when I see these types of numbers (c'mon, 130 dB plus from 31 Hz to 100Hz?) I know I won't come close to those levels. I'm shocked anyone could listen at those levels. I'd be lucky to have a sub's output levels near 105 dB from 31 Hz and above (measured at my listening position). Like the S3000i, the S3600i's performance would probably be wasted on me .
Though that may be true, but you don't have anything to regret. You still have a SB13U and an XS30, both awesome subs in their own regard! That's like Jay Leno selling a Ferrari, shedding a tear, and turning back to look at his garage of 30 exotics and rares! The more I listen to my SB13U, if I were to add more or replace today, it would likely be the S1500. Not everyone needs or wants to listen at reference levels or adhere to some standards set by other people.

The best analogy was made by one of my buddies a couple weeks ago who has the V3600i: "Bass and treble is just like salt and pepper - some like it more than others, but there is no correct amount."

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The S3600I has more "weight" to its sound and also plays so effortlessly. Give it a try, trust me you won't be returning it
Mike you nailed it.

I'm glad you mentioned this and I know exactly what you mean about the "weight" to the S3600's sound (and it being an effortless sound). I've noticed the exact same thing with the V3600 when compared to my XV15se.

Let me note that I'm talking movies here (not music) so this must be below 30 Hz. I'll use the grenade scene from WWZ for an example. When that grenade goes off with the V3600 there is weight to it that goes right into your bones. This "weight" is noticeable even played at low levels...far from the point where the power of the V3600 would be the factor. I think it might be this phenomenon that has made the V3600 so addicting to me.
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hmmm

so what do you guys think of...

up front....a xs30se a xs30

and in the back left corner a s3600?


this would be the only way I could fit one....wonder if that would be a noticeable upgrade?

or

would a 4th xs30se be better if it were...3 up front behind the screen...one back left corner

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Did some more fiddling last night with sub position and REW. This time I concentrated on BOTH XS30se's behind the row of theater seating. I have about 7-8' between back of seats and wall. I calibrated the output to about 77db using the built in pink noise generator and SPL meter of REW. I have both subs gain set to 12 o'clock.

Observations/Questions.. I am new to this. All tests from with each sub connected directly to AVR (2 sub outs) and Audessey 32XT OFF.
1. If I am set to output 77db, is there room really adding that much db?
2. From 20-70 I seem pretty flat then a small drop. Am I reading that correct or should I be worried about that larger drop and keep searching for a better spot?
3. I drop off drastically after 100Hz. Crossover in AVR is set to 120 for now. On subs the crossover is turned all the way to the right.

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^^S3600, IMO. 1 s3600 near field should have equal output of the 2xs's upfront. You can always stack another xs in the back. With that said, I don't think you use all the headroom you have currently in your small room, so you might not notice of the difference.
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^^S3600, IMO. 1 s3600 near field should have equal output of the 2xs's upfront. You can always stack another xs in the back. With that said, I don't think you use all the headroom you have currently in your small room, so you might not notice of the difference.
yeah I always know i am not using the headroom...but now all this talk of the dual 18's hitting harder...has the wheels turning (that with a nice little score at the casino has money burning a hole haha)
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hitting harder means more spl...if you are not approaching the limits of your current setup, then upgrading what you have will not "hit harder" unless you run hotter or listen louder. Log off the forums and enjoy your setup.

Also you could use your Dirac live and put a slight hump in the 50-80hz if you want more slam. Be a lot cheaper then upgrading subs. I doubt most have reached the limits of 2-3 XS30's mid bass potential.

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hitting harder means more spl...if you are not approaching the limits of your current setup, then upgrading what you have will not "hit harder" unless you run hotter or listen louder. Log off the forums and enjoy your setup.

Also you could use your Dirac live and put a slight hump in the 50-80hz if you want more slam. Be a lot cheaper then upgrading subs. I doubt most have reached the limits of 2-3 XS30's mid bass potential.
yeah Logging off isnt a terrible idea lmao

I am not in any way shape or form lacking in bass lol....damn this hobby and this forum...damn it to hell!
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I hear that...I went through the same thing 2 weeks ago with V1800's thanks to Mike B. he is like that little devil on your shoulder lol. Tom actually saved me from pulling the trigger. Then a couple days later I came to my senses and said to myself "I have plenty of bass, wtf was I thinking".

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from 7am-2pm (while I am killing time at work while on AVS) I NEED to upgrade...need need need

from 2pm-7pm not much thinking about my HT since I am scrambling at work to make sure all games/practices are a-ok

from 7:30pm-bedtime...my system is unreal! i am in a perfect spot! (since I am enjoying a movie in my HT)


so if you see my daily timeline....its this damn computer that makes me think i need moar....lmao
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Blame Tom and Jim. They are the one's that keep coming out with all these new enticing subs.

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^^ we have to draw a line somewhere if we want to continue to read threads here at avs. You made a good point of running bass even hotter on Brian's system. How about adding a 8-10db lowshelf which he can with his 3XS's?
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I hear that...I went through the same thing 2 weeks ago with V1800's thanks to Mike B. he is like that little devil on your shoulder lol. Tom actually saved me from pulling the trigger. Then a couple days later I came to my senses and said to myself "I have plenty of bass, wtf was I thinking".
That's funny, that little devil is a Mo-Fo!!!!!! Right now he is on my shoulder whispering in my ear saying " you have 2 subs up front and the S3600I is bigger than your XS30SE, we can't have that" DAMN HIM!!!!!!!
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Mike you nailed it.

I'm glad you mentioned this and I know exactly what you mean about the "weight" to the S3600's sound (and it being an effortless sound). I've noticed the exact same thing with the V3600 when compared to my XV15se.

Let me note that I'm talking movies here (not music) so this must be below 30 Hz. I'll use the grenade scene from WWZ for an example. When that grenade goes off with the V3600 there is weight to it that goes right into your bones. This "weight" is noticeable even played at low levels...far from the point where the power of the V3600 would be the factor. I think it might be this phenomenon that has made the V3600 so addicting to me.
Hop: You are correct about noticing it at lower levels but I notice it with music too, it's like the musician is hitting the drums harder and the guitar/bass player is plucking the string with more force. I have the back wall and corner side wall framed and stuffed with insulation, going to pick up the drywall tomorrow and then give it more listening sessions.
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yeah I always know i am not using the headroom...but now all this talk of the dual 18's hitting harder...has the wheels turning (that with a nice little score at the casino has money burning a hole haha)
Brian: My room is around 2300cu and I was going to do 3-4 XS30SE up front. When the S3600I was announced it was a no-brianer for me as it fit my needs. It was the perfect size and gets me into the dual 18 inch woofers with an ICE amp so I went for it. I will probably sell/ trade in my other XS30SE next year for another S3600I and be done with it for the next 10 years.
If you are happy with your 3 XS30's then stay put as they are GREAT subs.
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