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Old 10-15-2015, 04:21 PM
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It's a definite step up from the PB12-Plus it replaced!
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Okay…I'm running the calibration as I type this. I hope you can hear me because I can't hear myself think. You're right Brian…this is LOUD!

I ran REW first to see what my graph looked like (I never looked at it after running Audyssey the last time). It looks pretty good to me so I don't know if antimode will help much but I thought I would give it a try.

Below is my graph before antimode.
It should help quite a bit imho

Also try it the way your doing. Then measure

Then try running anti mode first. THEN audy see if that makes a difference

Be sure to measure both ways
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Only the sub gain will have an impact. The Anti-Mode products generate their own sweeps at levels independent of the input(s).

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Makes sense. Since antimode is that loud, if you turn down the gain does the gain need to be re adjusted to 75-85 db after it has run and prior to running any other room correction or does the antimode set that level as well?
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Makes sense. Since antimode is that loud, if you turn down the gain does the gain need to be re adjusted to 75-85 db after it has run and prior to running any other room correction or does the antimode set that level as well?
No you have to manually reset them.
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No you have to manually reset them.
OK. Why does antimode run the sweeps so hot? Is there a reason for this in the way it measures and maybe the sub level should be left up or is it more that many dont have larger subs like these are?
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Okay so here are results of my first attempt with Antimode. Green is running Antimode as flat and blue is no Antimode in the loop. I need to play around more tomorrow or over the weekend but it looks decent.

I haven't re-run Audyssey yet and I'm not sure I want to (I'm bloody tired of Audyssey). Will it make a big difference running Audyssey post Antimode?

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I don't see too much of a difference Jim, except that dip at around 20, is it me or do you think it's better with AM compared to no? I think I would try Audy after the AM just to see what it looks like. What flavor of Audy do you have my friend?

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That's normal. Two drivers, two clicks of the amps. My V3600's do the same.

The clicks are the relays.
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Okay so here are results of my first attempt with Antimode. Green is running Antimode as flat and blue is no Antimode in the loop. I need to play around more tomorrow or over the weekend but it looks decent.

I haven't re-run Audyssey yet and I'm not sure I want to (I'm bloody tired of Audyssey). Will it make a big difference running Audyssey post Antimode?

Thoughts?
from my experience audyssey works really well when it doesnt have a lot of corrections to deal with. So I would definitly turn off audyssey then run the antimode....the (cringes) re-run audyssey...I am betting the differences will be bigger.

worth a shot...cause as Jeff said...the differences arent that big as of right now (although you are getting better extension)

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I don't see too much of a difference Jim, except that dip at around 20, is it me or do you think it's better with AM compared to no? I think I would try Audy after the AM just to see what it looks like. What flavor of Audy do you have my friend?

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from my experience audyssey works really well when it doesnt have a lot of corrections to deal with. So I would definitly turn off audyssey then run the antimode....the (cringes) re-run audyssey...I am betting the differences will be bigger.

worth a shot...cause as Jeff said...the differences arent that big as of right now (although you are getting better extension)

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I agree with both of you, not much difference. Although I'm pretty happy because I'm closer to flat (5+/-) than I have ever been before. And the extension is more than I would have ever hoped to achieve with ported subs in a very large room.

Jeff... to answer your question I'm just running multiEQ XT. And that's why I picked up this antimode, I'm planning on upgrading my AVR next year to get XT32 but I can't afford to do that now. I got a great deal on this so I picked it up to see if I can flatten out the bass a little until I upgrade Audyssey. Actually, I was going to upgrade Audy this year but I decided to go crazy with subs and speakers instead (a decision I'm very happy with).

Brian…you're right. I think that's a good idea. I'll turn off Audyssey, run antimode and then (sigh) re-run Audyssey. I was just hoping that I could plug in antimode and it would work magic and I wouldn't have to run Audyssesy again. I think I've run Audyssey over 30 times this year.

Anyway, I thank you both for your help and I'll keep you posted. Any other thoughts from anyone on Antimode are more than welcome.
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i know you know this but xt32 is a HUUUUGGGGEEEEE step up from xt.....i really think that along with antimode would get you razor flat
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i know you know this but xt32 is a HUUUUGGGGEEEEE step up from xt.....i really think that along with antimode would get you razor flat
You're killing me Brian….

I know... it's times like these I wish I was a millionaire. I really need to do that upgrade (but I seem to have a sub/speaker addiction that keeps getting in the way).
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You're killing me Brian….

I know... it's times like these I wish I was a millionaire. I really need to do that upgrade (but I seem to have a sub/speaker addiction that keeps getting in the way).
thats understood haha

again...being realistic..your response is VERY good...we are talking that last 3-5% improvement that can be had
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Don't worry about razor flat...just get the response dialed in to your liking and enjoy. Anything flatter then +/-3db will go unnoticed anyway. I like how antimode lifted below 20hz being you have the displacement to utilize the lift.

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I like how antimode lifted below 20hz being you have the displacement to utilize the lift.
Its kinda like the wife getting a boob lift. Same hardware, just more perky and well rounded. Overall a more enjoyable experience
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Ha Ha Ha…that's awesome.
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Well I'm running Antimode's calibration again, this time with Audyssey off. I think I'm getting addicted to the way Antimode runs through it's sweeps. Much more fun than Audyssey's chirps. It's shakes the entire house. It's like a whole house massage.
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Subzilla might be sold tomorrow. Sniff

Sale pending :,(

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Well I'm running Antimode's calibration again, this time with Audyssey off. I think I'm getting addicted to the way Antimode runs through it's sweeps. Much more fun than Audyssey's chirps. It's shakes the entire house. It's like a whole house massage.
I remember the first time I ran the AMDC, I was not prepared for the intense and loud tones. I had the volume all the way up and was just sitting on the stairs wondering what did I do? After a few runs, I am happy with the AMDC, and the neat little display on the graph. I must get time to play with a house curve and try to tame my dip around 25hz. Have fun Hop!
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Subzilla is out of the HT. And xs30's back to their original spots. It's ok. It WAS overkill anyhow

Now onto upgrading my atmos speakers. And building bass traps That was the og plan lol. Then Subzilla came along lol

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It WAS overkill anyhow

Nonsense, there is no such thing!
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Nonsense, there is no such thing!
True

But I'm at peace actually. Cause I reconfigured my xs30's and lo and behold. The bass isn't missing anything! So no major missing of the Subzilla so yes in fact it was a waste to have this beast in my HT. Since it was never used to its potential

Was a fun week hahah

It will go to a better home.
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After much deliberation, research and driving my wife crazy aimlessly reading HT forums on the internet about speakers and subwoofers I actually bought 2 subwoofers from PSA. Tom was so helpful in my pursuit and I applaud him for all of his wonderful guidance. Got a pair of S1500 B-Stock in route for my what will be 1,959.75 ft^3 room. Still deciding on speakers. Most likely going with PSA again for that, at least for LCR. Still planning, my wife probably hates me right now but I'm taking her to a 1,000,000+ sq ft furniture store today to plan what we are going to do in the rest of our house we just purchased...this will buy me more "research" time.
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After much deliberation, research and driving my wife crazy aimlessly reading HT forums on the internet about speakers and subwoofers I actually bought 2 subwoofers from PSA. Tom was so helpful in my pursuit and I applaud him for all of his wonderful guidance. Got a pair of S1500 B-Stock in route for my what will be 1,959.75 ft^3 room. Still deciding on speakers. Most likely going with PSA again for that, at least for LCR. Still planning, my wife probably hates me right now but I'm taking her to a 1,000,000+ sq ft furniture store today to plan what we are going to do in the rest of our house we just purchased...this will buy me more "research" time.
Congrats! Those will be perfect for that room! Also obviously I HIGHLY recommend the psa speakers. You have a week or so until they become available again. They sold like hot cakes after the last gtg

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Yep, going with MT-110 for LCR. Only thing I'm debating is what type of setup to do. 5.2.4 or 7.2.4.

My options:

(5) MT-110 w/ 4 In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers
(3) MT-110, (4) MT-110SR w/ 4 In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers
(3) MT-110. (4) In-Wall and (4) In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers

The last is the most WAF friendly and also so the cheapest. Tom recommended some JBL options for me for that.

I'm thinking option one is my best option. The great thing is I can corner mount the rear surrounds over a bass trap to almost give it a built in appearance.
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Yep, going with MT-110 for LCR. Only thing I'm debating is what type of setup to do. 5.2.4 or 7.2.4.

My options:

(5) MT-110 w/ 4 In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers
(3) MT-110, (4) MT-110SR w/ 4 In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers
(3) MT-110. (4) In-Wall and (4) In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers

The last is the most WAF friendly and also so the cheapest. Tom recommended some JBL options for me for that.

I'm thinking option one is my best option. The great thing is I can corner mount the rear surrounds over a bass trap to almost give it a built in appearance.
Either option 1 or 2

They are basically the exact same thing. Just 2 has slanted cabs

How big is your room? I have 5.2.4 in mine. I have heard there isn't that much an upgrade to 7.2.4. But I have yet to hear it.

I am close to pulling the trigger on some diy atmos speakers. Trying to decide which volts to get. Leaning towards the 10xl. Cause they aren't much bigger or more expensive than the colt 6's. Idk yet thougg
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Yep, going with MT-110 for LCR. Only thing I'm debating is what type of setup to do. 5.2.4 or 7.2.4.

My options:

(5) MT-110 w/ 4 In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers
(3) MT-110, (4) MT-110SR w/ 4 In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers
(3) MT-110. (4) In-Wall and (4) In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers

The last is the most WAF friendly and also so the cheapest. Tom recommended some JBL options for me for that.

I'm thinking option one is my best option. The great thing is I can corner mount the rear surrounds over a bass trap to almost give it a built in appearance.
If you can swing it I highly recommend 7 vs. 5 assuming your room can accommodate the rear or side surrounds. If you head over to the Atmos thread search through some of Keith's posts you can read his thoughts regarding his move from 5 base channels to 7. As Brian said, "Welcome to the family."

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The only problem going to 7 with PSA around, is cost. It is significant as not only do the speakers cost a lot more, but also the receiver would be more expensive. The other issue is the size of the speakers on the wall. This is a bonus room that I'm converting into a dedicated room. The good thing is the rest of the house is country chic and industrial so having 4 massive black boxes on the rear walls I might be able to pull off and still get a green light from the wife.
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