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Anyone know what the paint/coating is on the V1500? I just got one, and I can smell the off-gassing, so I am wondering what the material is (known safe for in-home air vs industrial application etc.)?
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If you're using the Rat Shack meter with the AVR's internal test tones, you not only have to account for the SPL meter reading low in the lower octaves, but you also are bypassing the EQ filters that Audyssey set for the sub(s).

To get an accurate reading, you need to use external test tones with Audyssey on.
I wish I had test tones for the (4) height speakers... I dug out an old test tone Blu-ray and Audyssey didn't mess with the levels much outside of the subs. With test tones the subs were +4 (or so) higher than without Audyssey (internal test tones). I lowered the rear surrounds -1 (as I did the heights) but that might have simply been the meter being in another position. I run the rear surrounds and heights a little hot. Roughly +2 and currently the subs are +3. Based on "external" test tones outside of the heights.
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Dual v3600i or Dual s3600i

I know this may seem absurd but I actually spoke with Tom today about this but I wanted some insight from some fellow forum members. If you had a choice would you choose Dual v3600i or Dual s3600i and why. I auditioned the s3000i and v3600i for about 2 weeks. I absolutely loved the s3000i. If it could muster more spl's I certainly would have picked it over the v3600i but it wasn't up to the task which is why I ultimately kept the v3600i. Now that the s3600i is out, I feel this would suit my room and listening preferences so much better or am I being delusional? I currently have dual v3600i's. Would it be worth it for me to take a loss to get Dual s3600i? Opinions are greatly appreciated.
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I know this may seem absurd but I actually spoke with Tom today about this but I wanted some insight from some fellow forum members. If you had a choice would you choose Dual v3600i or Dual s3600i and why. I auditioned the s3000i and v3600i for about 2 weeks. I absolutely loved the s3000i. If it could muster more spl's I certainly would have picked it over the v3600i but it wasn't up to the task which is why I ultimately kept the v3600i. Now that the s3600i is out, I feel this would suit my room and listening preferences so much better or am I being delusional? I currently have dual v3600i's. Would it be worth it for me to take a loss to get Dual s3600i? Opinions are greatly appreciated.
In my opinion, unless the dual opposed design is really important to you, i.e. you want to use them as endtables or something(the totally inert design is helpful here), you are not gaining anything by switching to the S3600. The V3600 are going to have an output advantage from probably the low teens up to at least 60 Hz, and pretty close above that. There will be no difference in sound quality. The only advantage you will have is more output 10 Hz and below, which you won't notice. There is hardly any effect to be had at those really low frequencies.
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I know this may seem absurd but I actually spoke with Tom today about this but I wanted some insight from some fellow forum members. If you had a choice would you choose Dual v3600i or Dual s3600i and why. I auditioned the s3000i and v3600i for about 2 weeks. I absolutely loved the s3000i. If it could muster more spl's I certainly would have picked it over the v3600i but it wasn't up to the task which is why I ultimately kept the v3600i. Now that the s3600i is out, I feel this would suit my room and listening preferences so much better or am I being delusional? I currently have dual v3600i's. Would it be worth it for me to take a loss to get Dual s3600i? Opinions are greatly appreciated.
One quick question:
1. What was it you loved about the S3000 that the V3600 isn't delivering?

I agree with what Bear said. If you're looking for the output that the V3600 has below 60 Hz then you'll need to look at the T-18.

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FWIW, my subs are set 7db hotter than where Audyssey set them, but are only about 2db hot when using the internal test tones + Rat Shack meter (77db) and only about 5db hot when measured with REW.
Is this typical: Audyssey sets subwoofers 2 to 5 dB below other speakers at the listening position?
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In my opinion, unless the dual opposed design is really important to you, i.e. you want to use them as endtables or something(the totally inert design is helpful here), you are not gaining anything by switching to the S3600. The V3600 are going to have an output advantage from probably the low teens up to at least 60 Hz, and pretty close above that. There will be no difference in sound quality. The only advantage you will have is more output 10 Hz and below, which you won't notice. There is hardly any effect to be had at those really low frequencies.

I agree with all of this. It all makes sense on paper but something is missing in my room. Don't get me wrong, the subs sound awesome but with the previous subs I've auditioned and owned, something is missing. I feel like it should "hit" harder if that makes sense. The only thing I can blame it on is the acoustics of my room. It's a room above the garage so the ceiling has weird angles. So maybe the v3600's aren't best suited for my room or maybe I'm chasing something that I won't/can't get. I've even gone as far as changing AVR's 3 times. I now own the Denon X6200 because I heard such great things about XT32. On a side note, XT32 is legit! I tried the Onkyo TX-NR1030 and Yamaha RX-A2050 along with the antimode 8033s and it just wasn't right. XT32 room correction is by far better than the Onkyo and Yamaha proprietary room correction imho and no antimode needed. The Denon has definitely helped the v3600's shine like never before. Maybe I'm just dealing with terrible room acoustics.

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One quick question:
1. What was it you loved about the S3000 that the V3600 isn't delivering?

I agree with what Bear said. If you're looking for the output that the V3600 has below 60 Hz then you'll need to look at the T-18.
In my room the s3000 sounded fuller all around and sounded better at lower volumes. My room is about 1800-1900 cubic feet. Musically the v3600 couldn't really keep up but I'm about 85 percent movies so this wasn't a big deal. I know that sounds odd but again, I'm assuming its my particular room. The v3600 had a ton more head room for movies which is why I ultimately chose the v3600 over the s3000. All this took place before the announcement of the s3600. So I'm wondering if those would suit my room better and give me the headroom I'm looking for. Tom is more than happy to do an exchange for me to get 2 s3600's but I understandably have to take a hit financially.

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Can anyone think of any reason (performance or heat etc.) one should not put a doubled over table cloth over the top and left and right sides of a subwoofer? Also, any performance/heat issues in putting small items on the top (small books, decorative items, etc.)? Thinking of doing this on a v1500.

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Can anyone think of any reason (performance or heat etc.) one should not put a doubled over table cloth over the top and left and right sides of a subwoofer? Also, any performance/heat issues in putting small items on the top (small books, decorative items, etc.)? Thinking of doing this on a v1500.
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Is this typical: Audyssey sets subwoofers 2 to 5 dB below other speakers at the listening position?
I'm new to Audyssey too Checker, but from what I've read and been told Audyssey sets subs/LFE consistently 3-6 dB too low...
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Can anyone think of any reason (performance or heat etc.) one should not put a doubled over table cloth over the top and left and right sides of a subwoofer? Also, any performance/heat issues in putting small items on the top (small books, decorative items, etc.)? Thinking of doing this on a v1500.
I'm sensing spouse related issues here perhaps??
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@Alanp , S3600i or bust....
I already ordered the S3000 . If it ends up not doing it for me, I may trade up to the S3600 or get another S3000. I think eventually I'm going to end up with two "smaller" (a very relative term in this context) subs behind the MLP. With duals back there, the S3000s would most likely be more than enough, esp. paired with dual T-18s.


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Nah...I think that title should go to @ahblaza since he's had more PSA subs than me in (and out) of his house.


EDIT: Funny you should say that though...when I told my co-workers yesterday what I ordered, they said they were planning to throw me an intervention for my bass addiction...and the wife just rolled her eyes.
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Nah...I think that title should go to @ahblaza since he's had more PSA subs than me in (and out) of his house.


EDIT: Funny you should say that though...when I told my co-workers yesterday what I ordered, they said they were planning to throw me an intervention for my bass addiction...and the wife just rolled her eyes.
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In my room the s3000 sounded fuller all around and sounded better at lower volumes. My room is about 1800-1900 cubic feet. Musically the v3600 couldn't really keep up but I'm about 85 percent movies so this wasn't a big deal. I know that sounds odd but again, I'm assuming its my particular room. The v3600 had a ton more head room for movies which is why I ultimately chose the v3600 over the s3000. All this took place before the announcement of the s3600. So I'm wondering if those would suit my room better and give me the headroom I'm looking for. Tom is more than happy to do an exchange for me to get 2 s3600's but I understandably have to take a hit financially.
Well your room really isn't that large so maybe the sealed design plays nicely with your room. I would think that the S3600s would be able to get some room gain from the moderate size of your room and that might help with headroom concerns. But I'm not certain.

It's interesting to read your description about the S3000 sounding fuller than the V3600. I've never heard the S3000 (but I would like to) so I can't comment on it but I've never noticed my V3600 lacking any fullness in sound. Maybe it truly is the way your V3600s are playing with your room. Perhaps Lizrusspike, Toe and Digler can jump in to share their thoughts regarding their V3600s. I'd also be curious to hear what Tom's thoughts might be as well.

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Time to measure. A lot of money being spent on subs and AVR's while hoping random placement and no measuring will result in a great frequency response. There is soooooo much performance potential to be gained from measuring and fixing the in room response.
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i have not heard the sealed versions either, but i had dual xv15se's like hop did, and now i have a single v3600. to my ear, i have more headroom, more room shake and what seems to be deeper, fuller response. again, i've never heard the sealed models, but i always went ported because my room is essentially open to almost every room in my house. so while my living room itself isn't huge, once you figure my dining room, kitchen and the staircase leading upstairs with no way to close off, i end up with a lot of space to fill. i would venture a guess that you won't find too many people that would say the v3600 doesn't produce a full sound.
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I don't think "full" is the correct term. Not sure what to call it. XT32 has certainly helped a ton! I don't have many options for placement. They have to go in the front of the room. I could corner load them and put the towers in closer but I don't want it to sound boomy. My sectional takes up a fair amount of the back wall. Therefore, there is no room to put the subs on the back wall. There is also a small niche where my rack is. I could experiment with putting one of the subs in that corner. Here are a couple of pics that I've posted before. You can see the wall is about 4' tall before it starts to angle towards the ceiling. The ceiling flattens out for about 3' before going over to the next slope. Typical bonus room shape. You can also see where the stairs come into the room next to the front left speaker. So measuring would surely give me some insight to my room acoustics but I really don't have many options for placement. I'm thinking sealed may be a better option......
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^ If this helps my V3600's are corner loaded are not boomy, they are still tight and clean and I have the graphs to show that I'm not getting any real peaks with their placement.

I agree with Bear, get what you need to start measuring because even if you end up going with sealed subs you still should know exactly where to locate your subs. REW is worth the learning curve and there are plenty of us in this thread who are always willing to help with any questions you have.

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1. Get REW and a UMIK and measure. Move subs and measure again. Measure every possible place you can place your subs and use the best two places.
2. If that still doesn't do it for you then consider S3600's.

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I don't think "full" is the correct term. Not sure what to call it. XT32 has certainly helped a ton! I don't have many options for placement. They have to go in the front of the room. I could corner load them and put the towers in closer but I don't want it to sound boomy. My sectional takes up a fair amount of the back wall. Therefore, there is no room to put the subs on the back wall. There is also a small niche where my rack is. I could experiment with putting one of the subs in that corner. Here are a couple of pics that I've posted before. You can see the wall is about 4' tall before it starts to angle towards the ceiling. The ceiling flattens out for about 3' before going over to the next slope. Typical bonus room shape. You can also see where the stairs come into the room next to the front left speaker. So measuring would surely give me some insight to my room acoustics but I really don't have many options for placement. I'm thinking sealed may be a better option......
Sealed won't changed your in room frequency response, which is what you are hearing. Placement, proper setup, and eq is what will change the sound that you perceive at the MLP. Above 40 Hz, sealed subs in the same place are going to have the same FR. Below that, the ported subs are going to "hit" harder due to efficiency.
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My advice…
1. Get REW and a UMIK and measure. Move subs and measure again. Measure every possible place you can place your subs and use the best two places.
2. If that still doesn't do it for you then consider S3600's.
Will definitely do this. Any suggestions for umik microphones? REW looks so freakin complicated!
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I don't think "full" is the correct term. Not sure what to call it. XT32 has certainly helped a ton! I don't have many options for placement. They have to go in the front of the room. I could corner load them and put the towers in closer but I don't want it to sound boomy. My sectional takes up a fair amount of the back wall. Therefore, there is no room to put the subs on the back wall. There is also a small niche where my rack is. I could experiment with putting one of the subs in that corner. Here are a couple of pics that I've posted before. You can see the wall is about 4' tall before it starts to angle towards the ceiling. The ceiling flattens out for about 3' before going over to the next slope. Typical bonus room shape. You can also see where the stairs come into the room next to the front left speaker. So measuring would surely give me some insight to my room acoustics but I really don't have many options for placement. I'm thinking sealed may be a better option......

Sorry if this has been ask but whats the dimensions on the room? It looks small from the pictures and I wonder if the dual V3600I are over powering the room. This maybe the reason why you are not happy with the sound of the subs. Do you have the subs set to large or small room mode?

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yeah, seeing that picture makes me realize that my room may soon need a second v3600. :O

if he can do it so can i! i think i really need to take a break from these forums.
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Room Size Setting...

How does that change your sound??

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How does that change your sound??

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Fiddle with it. I've found, after several months of fiddling, that I prefer one setting for music and a more robust (larger) setting for movies. The difference is noticeable when paying attention, but should I forget to make the change, it is still a satisfying sound. Fiddle on and congrats.
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How does that change your sound??

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What Tom told me when I asked about it was that moving it towards small would make the bass tighter. I have it set over on the small side, and am very happy with the sound and its performance with music - as you know
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Will definitely do this. Any suggestions for umik microphones? REW looks so freakin complicated!
I got my UMIK from PSA back when they were selling the minidsp UMIK. Just go to the minidsp website and you can order a UMIK from them.

REW isn't nearly as bad as it looks. If you follow the following step by step guide it really is pretty straight forward.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/aolmz2..._101_v3.92.pdf

Where do you have your room setting on your amps? In a room your size I think "small" would be the right place.

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yeah, seeing that picture makes me realize that my room may soon need a second v3600. :O

if he can do it so can i! i think i really need to take a break from these forums.
FWIW I like having two V3600s.

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