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^^ like DBone mentioned, leave dyneq off for a week and bump subs up 5-6db in addition to how hot you were running and report back. I was disappointed when I first had it off since I was having it on for 2 plus years.
So...I tried turning off DynEQ last night and my first impressions are positive!

I turned up the sub trim 6db and boosted the bass to +6...that was too much, I ended up with the subs +5db and the bass boost at +3.

Pros: I am getting MUCH more bass from my mains now (=more mid-bass slam), music sounds more "open" for some reason (soundstage has expanded), bass in music is tighter and more focused (probably due to the increase in mid-bass from the mains).

Cons: Was able to localize my nearfield sub much more (crossover at 120hz, I lowered it to 90hz and took care of that), the ULF in movies seemed to have less impact (however, I wasn't able to crank it since it was late, I was at -20MV to -25MV).


All-in-all I think this is something I am going to pursue more when I get my third sub (tomorrow!). I think after I get REW out and do some serious tweaking, I may just be swayed to the darkside (DynEQ OFF).
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^^ like you, I found it is more open sound and cleaner with dyneq off. I don't know why it causes your sub more localize. At -20 to -25MV, you are used to the tremendous bass boost with dyneq and therefore feel it less impact with ulf without dyneq. As I mentioned, bump up your sub trim another db or two or even better add a +8db lowshelf (what I have) and all of your bass is coming back along with clear and open sound top end without dyneq. By the way, I prefer Aud flat with dyneq off. Have you tried?
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I turned up the sub trim 6db and boosted the bass to +6...that was too much, I ended up with the subs +5db and the bass boost at +3.
What is the difference between those two things? On my Denon X2000W, I see nothing indicating bass boost besides Subwoofer Level Adjust. I have a Subwoofer Level Adjust option, but I think that just allows me to set the subwoofer line level. I see no way to adjust bass. What would such an option be called usually?

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^^ like you, I found it is more open sound and cleaner with dyneq off. I don't know why it causes your sub more localize. At -20 to -25MV, you are used to the tremendous bass boost with dyneq and therefore feel it less impact with ulf without dyneq. As I mentioned, bump up your sub trim another db or two and all of your bass is coming back along with clear and open sound top end without dyneq. By the way, I prefer Aud flat with dyneq off. Have you tried?
I did go back and forth with Audyssey and Audyssey Flat but haven't made a final decision yet. Like I said, tomorrow I will have the whole day to tweak...hoping FedEx shows up with the new sub in the morning.


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What is the difference between those two things? On my Denon X2000W, I see nothing indicating bass boost besides Subwoofer Level Adjust. I have a Subwoofer Level Adjust option, but I think that just allows me to set the subwoofer line level. I see no way to adjust bass. What would such an option be called usually?
When you disable DynEQ, the Tone controls become available under the Audio menu (Bass & Treble). That is what I was referring to as "Bass" boost.
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When you disable DynEQ, the Tone controls become available under the Audio menu (Bass & Treble). That is what I was referring to as "Bass" boost.

Thanks, I found it after turning off DynEQ.

So the difference would be Subwoofer Line Adjust adjusts the signal strength to subwoofer, whereas bass tonal adjust overall bass tones to all speakers?
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^^^

I think that's how it works. I believe the Bass tone control only effects bass below 150hz or so, but (in my very recent and limited experience) it will pump up the mid-bass nicely (if your mains are capable of it).
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Turning the bass tone +3dB with DynaEQ off, and subwoofer trim +3dB seems to blend better for my set-up. Thanks for telling me how to adjust bass and treble tones.
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So...I tried turning off DynEQ last night and my first impressions are positive!

I turned up the sub trim 6db and boosted the bass to +6...that was too much, I ended up with the subs +5db and the bass boost at +3.

Pros: I am getting MUCH more bass from my mains now (=more mid-bass slam), music sounds more "open" for some reason (soundstage has expanded), bass in music is tighter and more focused (probably due to the increase in mid-bass from the mains).

Cons: Was able to localize my nearfield sub much more (crossover at 120hz, I lowered it to 90hz and took care of that), the ULF in movies seemed to have less impact (however, I wasn't able to crank it since it was late, I was at -20MV to -25MV).


All-in-all I think this is something I am going to pursue more when I get my third sub (tomorrow!). I think after I get REW out and do some serious tweaking, I may just be swayed to the darkside (DynEQ OFF).
So I assume you were running 5-6 hot from Audyssey setup and DynEQ on. With the EQ off you run 10-12 hot?
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So I assume you were running 5-6 hot from Audyssey setup and DynEQ on. With the EQ off you run 10-12 hot?
I was running 7 hot with DynEQ, now running 12 hot. Won't see really how hot I am until I run REW...but I'm guessing around 9-10db above the average of the mains.
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So I assume you were running 5-6 hot from Audyssey setup and DynEQ on. With the EQ off you run 10-12 hot?
Depends on what MV you listen that you were listening to 10-12 or much more hot anyway with dyneq on.
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Depends on what MV you listen that you were listening to 10-12 or much more hot anyway with dyneq on.
Good point.
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Good point.
With my setup now I run 6 hot. This puts me a -1 on the trim of my Onkyo. Any risks of clipping moving the trim to +6 or +8?
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With my setup now I run 6 hot. This puts me a -1 on the trim of my Onkyo. Any risks of clipping moving the trim to +6 or +8?
Yes, there can be. I plan on bumping up the gain on the subs themselves once I decide on a desired level.
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So what's the T18HT? Difference between it and the T18?
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ICE amp with auto on, room control, and time delay. These features were not available on the previous SP Torpedo amp.

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So what's the T18HT? Difference between it and the T18?
ICE amp with auto on, room control, and time delay. These features were not available on the previous SP Torpedo amp.
The T18HT adds more features to the amp similar to our other subwoofers with a few new additions. This amp does not contain any ICEpower modules. It is all SpeakerPower.
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The T18HT adds more features to the amp similar to our other subwoofers with a few new additions. This amp does not contain any ICEpower modules. It is all SpeakerPower.

Thank you good sir.
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The T18HT adds more features to the amp similar to our other subwoofers with a few new additions. This amp does not contain any ICEpower modules. It is all SpeakerPower.
Oh - the auto on feature would be nice to have!

Would these work in the original Triax's?
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Oh - the auto on feature would be nice to have!

Would these work in the original Triax's?
In addition to the Auto On there Is a 12V trigger if you have an AVR with that option.
We are working through the details of an upgrade program for both the T18 and Triax subwoofers.
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Sorry Jim It looked like a ICE amp. Nice upgrade for sure.

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Sorry Jim It looked like a ICE amp. Nice upgrade for sure.
No problem basshead. This new amplifier uses the same power module from the original T18 amp. The added features were designed to make this amp more home theater friendly.
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In addition to the Auto On there Is a 12V trigger if you have an AVR with that option.
We are working through the details of an upgrade program for both the T18 and Triax subwoofers.
Thanks!

I currently have my Triax's on individual trigger enabled power supplies. It would simplify my setup for sure as the power units are big and bulky and sitting on top of each Triax.
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So...I tried turning off DynEQ last night and my first impressions are positive!

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Cons: Was able to localize my nearfield sub much more (crossover at 120hz, I lowered it to 90hz and took care of that), the ULF in movies seemed to have less impact (however, I wasn't able to crank it since it was late, I was at -20MV to -25MV).


All-in-all I think this is something I am going to pursue more when I get my third sub (tomorrow!). I think after I get REW out and do some serious tweaking, I may just be swayed to the darkside (DynEQ OFF).
Alan: When I went from a Classe SSP30 MKii pre-amp ( legacy audio without EQ ) to an Onkyo 818 ( pre-amp mode ) with dynamic EQ enabled I thought the bass and surround channels were boosted too much at first. I always liked unaltered video and audio, I was a purist when it came to the signal chain. I must say now when I disable DEQ the bass and surrounds channels sound flat on certain material. I will say that since I added the S3600I into the mix that I have been disabling DEQ more often as the bass is over the top on some material. I made the switch to Audy Flat mode a while back but I also leave the treble and bass setting at their flat position ( 0 ) and boost the sub trim to +5dbs. I would be interested in seeing some graphs with DEQ enable and disabled at the -15 MV and see how much of a boost is applied.

Ok, it looks like DEQ is boosting +15dbs at 50hz and above at -15 MV.

http://www.audyssey.com/technologies/dynamic-eq

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^^ what I see on Aud graph is less than 5db boost. IIRC, REW shows 5-6db boost at -15MV with dyneq on in my case.
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We are working through the details of an upgrade program for both the T18 and Triax subwoofers.
Interesting development for sure, and my upgraditis is already kicking in.

Although, not sure if upgrading the amps in my T-18s would be worth it for me...I've already got the room control (although it's only SMALL or LARGE, I leave it on LARGE all the time) and I wouldn't use the crossover. The only thing that would be nice is the Auto On feature.

Guess it depends on how much Tom is going to charge for the upgrades.
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Alan: When I went from a Classe SSP30 MKii pre-amp ( legacy audio without EQ ) to an Onkyo 818 ( pre-amp mode ) with dynamic EQ enabled I thought the bass and surround channels were boosted too much at first. I always liked unaltered video and audio, I was a purist when it came to the signal chain. I must say now when I disable DEQ the bass and surrounds channels sound flat on certain material. I will say that since I added the S3600I into the mix that I have been disabling DEQ more often as the bass is over the top on some material. I made the switch to Audy Flat mode a while back but I also leave the treble and bass setting at their flat position ( 0 ) and boost the sub trim to +5dbs. I would be interested in seeing some graphs with DEQ enable and disabled at the -15 MV and see how much of a boost is applied.

Ok, it looks like DEQ is boosting +15dbs at 50hz and above at -15 MV.

http://www.audyssey.com/technologies/dynamic-eq
I was playing around again last night, and still kind of like DynEQ on too...decided to wait until my new sub shows up today to really mess around with it.

10AM here...still no FedEx truck.

Patiently waiting.
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I currently have my Triax's on individual trigger enabled power supplies. It would simplify my setup for sure as the power units are big and bulky and sitting on top of each Triax.
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Interesting development for sure, and my upgraditis is already kicking in.

Although, not sure if upgrading the amps in my T-18s would be worth it for me...I've already got the room control (although it's only SMALL or LARGE, I leave it on LARGE all the time) and I wouldn't use the crossover. The only thing that would be nice is the Auto On feature.

Guess it depends on how much Tom is going to charge for the upgrades.
Interesting. I also use a trigger enabled power supply and use the "large room" program on my Triax. I'm not sure upgrading would offer any real benefits for me.
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The only thing that would be nice is the Auto On feature.

Guess it depends on how much Tom is going to charge for the upgrades.
Kind of in the same boat.

I already have the auto on/off by using the triggered power supplies (4)

If I could sell the triggered power supplies and cover most of the cost of the upgrade I would do it, but I would need to update 4 of them so the cost can add up quickly.
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