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^^

Drink that beer faster and you won't have to worry about spilling it.

But seriously, I believe a butler's tray (or whatever you call it) would help a ton. I'd just get a taller/deeper one.

EDIT: get one that is deeper/wider than the sub, so it would have an overhang and most likely not cause any damages.

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^^^

Genius!

Got me thinking...I know a guy who does custom cabinetry. I'm sure I could get him to make me something that would match my other tables. Stick it on the sub with Blue Tack or something.

Thanks cesar!
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dual opposed cancels all reactive forces so nothing will vibrate off the top of the 3000i. Just put a grip mat on the Top and call it good. I have yet to have a drink slide off my XV15 playing movies at reference, so you will be fine.
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dual opposed cancels all reactive forces so nothing will vibrate off the top of the 3000i. Just put a grip mat on the Top and call it good. I have yet to have a drink slide off my XV15 playing movies at reference, so you will be fine.
I know not to worry about anything getting vibrated around on top, but you've never had a glass full of liquid knocked over on your end table?? It hasn't happened more than 2-3 times in the 10+ years I've had the end table between our chairs, but I'm sure it will happen again. I think I'd rather be safe than sorry.

However, I'm gonna put a grip mat on top of it today! Thanks for that idea! At least stuff will be less slippy then.
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Alan I'm glad to hear that you found a spot for the sub that works. Looking forward to more updates as you dial it in.

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Quick question for all the XT32 users. I am thinking of taking one of my XV15's and putting it next to my recliner which will basically make it an end table. Right now I have it up front next to my L main which is basically open to the kitchen area. This is probably not ideal to begin with. The other XV15 is between my center and R main and I plan on leaving there. Since I am considering having one nearfield now and plan on using XT32, will I be able to leave the phase control at zero like I have it now for both subs? I think XT32 adjusts the phase anyway? Anyone think this would be a good idea? Thanks.

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XT32 sets the delays individually for dual subs so you would leave the phase 0 on both.
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^^ SubeqHT does, not xt32. A few Onkyo Avr has only xt32 and not subeqHT.
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With dual subs, you really need to see what is going on to get them placed right. The cheapest and easiest way to do that is with REW and a calibrated mic. See the link in my sig.
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Just a little update....last night I moved the S3000 from the right rear corner to in between our two recliners (acting as an end table*). Having the sub right next to my chair made it very easy to access the controls and dial in the gain, crossover and delay (haven't re-ran XT32 yet). So far, I think this is the ticket! Sounds great and zero localization. I need to get REW out tonight though and see where I'm at.


*To @basshead81 and anyone else using subs as end tables - I'm sort of terrified of something getting spilled on the sub...I know the finish can take just about anything, but I'm worried about the grills, drivers and amp.

I just KNOW a beer mug or water jug will eventually get knocked over on top of the sub...what are you guys doing to limit the liability of such an incident??
I started with one 3000i in espresso. In a corner it was boomy, Next to my chair you could feel it, but it localized too much. So I added another and put one in the corner and the other next to my chair as the end table. Localization disappeared and had the great feel of the sub. The veneer looks great as well.
I had glass cut to fit the top of the sub to protect it. I could not bring myself to cover up the veneer.
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I am having buyer's remorse on a V1500. My room is 1950 cubic feet, and I listen at moderate levels. It seems overkill, and while I can tell a difference in action etc. movies over a 12 inch subwoofer I tried (seems more room filling and more enveloping of sound) for regular TV, and regular movies, it adds nothing different.
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I am having buyer's remorse on a V1500. My room is 1950 cubic feet, and I listen at moderate levels. It seems overkill, and while I can tell a difference in action etc. movies over a 12 inch subwoofer I tried (seems more room filling and more enveloping of sound) for regular TV, and regular movies, it adds nothing different.
Sorry to hear that you are disappointed checker.

Can you tell us what you've done to properly integrate the sub into your room? What 12" sub did you try? What Master Volume equates to "moderate levels"? Do you have an AVR with Auto-EQ (i.e. Audyssey)?
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Sorry to hear that you are disappointed checker.

Can you tell us what you've done to properly integrate the sub into your room? What 12" sub did you try? What Master Volume equates to "moderate levels"? Do you have an AVR with Auto-EQ (i.e. Audyssey)?

I did not mean anything is wrong with the subwoofer. I have buyer's remorse that I spent too much for my situation (room size and listening levels.)

Denon receiver with MultiEQ XT. Placed subwoofer in corner were REW indicated it was best spot for PC-2000 (I no longer have Umik to check again.) I watch movies at -15 to -20 to start but usually turn it down to -25 to -30 as I progress through a movie if the sound is too strong.

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Checker…sorry that the new sub is not turning out as you had hoped. While overkill is not a concept I'm personally capable of comprehending I can understand how a 18" sub could be more than you need with your listening habits. I hope you can find a way to make it work but if not it's nice that you have the PSA return policy to fall back on. Good luck.
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I did not mean anything is wrong with the subwoofer. I have buyer's remorse that I spent too much for my situation (room size and listening levels.)
I think there is a point of diminishing returns that is often overlooked by the bass enthusiasts. Which obviously tend to congregate here (subwoofer forums...). Which results in whatever you have isn't enough so you need to continually upgrade.

You appear to listen at close to my typical levels and if I used my room for "everyday listening" I wouldn't want its current level of bass. It would be overkill and I would quickly tire of its constant presence. I started with a XS15se for my room (~3000 cubic feet) and found it more than adequate and it trounced the powered subs in my fronts. Now before I purchased anything I was hit endlessly with much more is required to meet the demands of the room.

Not being a bass "nut" I had my doubts and when Tom recommended a XS15se I thought why not. Plus I factored in if I ever went with two the combined cost would be close to my relative value. What quality bass is worth to me. Of course as it should be it's unique to each individual.

Now I was more than happy with the single XS15se. Although they are going bye-bye so if I do want a twin the time has come. And I wondered how the two would integrate into the room so I ordered another. And on the surface I can say (for me) it's mostly overkill. It helps with the localization (far less) and creates a larger presence. They also appear to blend in better with the rest of the speakers and not so much of the bass coming out to play at times.

So for me there are returns. However they are diminished to a large degree. Twice the expense (roughly) doesn't come close to offering twice the performance. So I can relate to your overkill thoughts. Since my room is dedicated to movies and the added presence brings the room further alive I'm pretty sure it's worth it. If I had other viewing habits (even though it would get used much, much more) I'm pretty sure it would be going back.

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I am having buyer's remorse on a V1500. My room is 1950 cubic feet, and I listen at moderate levels. It seems overkill, and while I can tell a difference in action etc. movies over a 12 inch subwoofer I tried (seems more room filling and more enveloping of sound) for regular TV, and regular movies, it adds nothing different.

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Just a little update....last night I moved the S3000 from the right rear corner to in between our two recliners (acting as an end table*). Having the sub right next to my chair made it very easy to access the controls and dial in the gain, crossover and delay (haven't re-ran XT32 yet). So far, I think this is the ticket! Sounds great and zero localization. I need to get REW out tonight though and see where I'm at.

*To @basshead81 and anyone else using subs as end tables - I'm sort of terrified of something getting spilled on the sub...I know the finish can take just about anything, but I'm worried about the grills, drivers and amp.

I just KNOW a beer mug or water jug will eventually get knocked over on top of the sub...what are you guys doing to limit the liability of such an incident??
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Quick question for all the XT32 users. I am thinking of taking one of my XV15's and putting it next to my recliner which will basically make it an end table. Right now I have it up front next to my L main which is basically open to the kitchen area. This is probably not ideal to begin with. The other XV15 is between my center and R main and I plan on leaving there. Since I am considering having one nearfield now and plan on using XT32, will I be able to leave the phase control at zero like I have it now for both subs? I think XT32 adjusts the phase anyway? Anyone think this would be a good idea? Thanks.
I'm starting to see a trend and am wondering when PSA will change to PSAE (Power Sound Audio & End Tables) to corner this newly emerging market!

A non-opposing PSAE sub (oops -- I mean end table) could be marketed to those that drink martinis that are shaken and not stirred! Of course the V3600i end table would only be for those that drink martinis by the pitcher!

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With dual subs, you really need to see what is going on to get them placed right. The cheapest and easiest way to do that is with REW and a calibrated mic. See the link in my sig.
Agreed, but I am very limited in my room for the second sub placement. I do not have the flexibility I would like to have....

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^^ SubeqHT does, not xt32. A few Onkyo Avr has only xt32 and not subeqHT.
I believe my Denon 4311 does Sub Eq HT as well

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^^ that is correct. All Denon xt32 Avr includes subeqHT.
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Guys, for those of you that don't know Brian F. is no longer a member here at AVS. Due to some
exterminating circumstances that I would rather not disclose he will no longer be a contributing member of this forum. He will be sorely missed be me and I'm sure many of you. We've had many interesting PMs and private email conversations, I was informed today with the sad news.

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hello all , i have a problem i thinky my audyssey mic might be damaged. went to re run audyssey after moving things out of room and moving chairs closer and when i first get to subwoofer calibration it only reads 7db. then when i hit next it pings one speaker then says ambient noise too high. any suggestions?
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exterminating circumstances that I would rather not disclose he will no longer be a contributing member of this forum. He will be sorely missed be me and I'm sure many of you. We've had many interesting PMs and private email conversations, I was informed today with the sad news.

Although he can't be here with us sharing his thought and feelings, he will be able to read any correspondence posted from all of his friends. He's still a part of our PSA Family, because of our decision to take a chance on the first run of the new PSA line of loudspeakers we have hopefully brought a lot of joy to the community.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, again I'm very disheartened to convey this to you all.

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