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Interesting. I also use a trigger enabled power supply and use the "large room" program on my Triax. I'm not sure upgrading would offer any real benefits for me.
The advantage for me would be 4 less components sitting around. My power supplies are quite large - about the the same footprint as a standard receiver but only a quarter as high.
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Alan….Has that new sub arrived yet?

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Nope...still waiting.

When my speakers showed up, it was 9am........now almost 1pm.

At least I'm getting some stuff done around the house I've been meaning to do.
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The advantage for me would be 4 less components sitting around. My power supplies are quite large - about the the same footprint as a standard receiver but only a quarter as high.
With only 1 Triax, it's a bit simpler for me.

The trigger power supply I use fits neatly behind the sub (it just has a single plug for one component).
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Liking the price drop on the T-18... It definitely has my attention lol.
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Hi, guys I need a little help here. I just got my PSA XS15se, and I'm feeling frustrated with my setup in our new house. So my room is 16' x 24' x 8' / slightly irregular, with steps that lead to up stairs. For the life of me I can't get the loudest sound at the seated position. It is crazy loud at the back of the room on both right and left corners. The front corners are loud as well, but very little output in the middle. I have tried room crawls putting the sub in listening position and marking the best spots. It's always the 4 corners with the RR being the loudest followed by the LR, LF, RF. I have re-ran audyssey played with every variable I know how to do. This is not my first time setting up gear but this is a different house to me. Now I would just put the sub in the RR but that is a non carpeted area with a door right in front of it. The LR is where the steps lead up stairs. So no go on those two any other ideas?
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Hi, guys I need a little help here. I just got my PSA XS15se, and I'm feeling frustrated with my setup in our new house. So my room is 16' x 24' x 8' / slightly irregular, with steps that lead to up stairs. For the life of me I can't get the loudest sound at the seated position. It is crazy loud at the back of the room on both right and left corners. The front corners are loud as well, but very little output in the middle. I have tried room crawls putting the sub in listening position and marking the best spots. It's always the 4 corners with the RR being the loudest followed by the LR, LF, RF. I have re-ran audyssey played with every variable I know how to do. This is not my first time setting up gear but this is a different house to me. Now I would just put the sub in the RR but that is a non carpeted area with a door right in front of it. The LR is where the steps lead up stairs. So no go on those two any other ideas?
I think it's time that you invest in a UMIK and download (and learn) REW. It's the only way to really figure out what's happening in your room. Trust me the sub crawl is far less accurate than REW.

Another thing I would try would be nearfield positioning.
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Nope...still waiting.

When my speakers showed up, it was 9am........now almost 1pm.

At least I'm getting some stuff done around the house I've been meaning to do.
Alan.......We need an update..........

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@Murphy , try moving forward and backward and side to side of your MLP, physically walk around those areas of your MLP and see if it gets louder in any of those locations as you move around. I'm thinking you're sitting in a huge null as I would imagine your seating is somewhere in the middle of that 24' room length. I could be way off track here, give it try and see what happens.
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@Alan or anybody, how do you choose to run Audy flat, excuse my ignorance as I can't find this option. I have Music or Movies option, am I looking in the wrong part of the menu for the Audy flat option? TIA
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Music = Flat

Movies = House curve or Reference

Onkyo?

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@Alan or anybody, how do you choose to run Audy flat, excuse my ignorance as I can't find this option. I have Music or Movies option, am I looking in the wrong part of the menu for the Audy flat option? TIA
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Which Onkyo do you have. In my receiver, when going into audio, I go into the Audy section, which is set to XT32. I then can highlight that option, and then select Audy flat. Hope this helps.
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Onkyo?


Yep
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If it's a Denon, Aud flat is under menu/audy setting. I have a button on my Harmony remote programmed to toggle between these audy modes.
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Jeff is using an Onkyo TX-NR1010. He can click on his set-up button on his remote and go to AUDIO and he will be able to switch between Music ( FLAT ) and Movie ( reference ) mode on the fly.
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Hi, guys I need a little help here. I just got my PSA XS15se, and I'm feeling frustrated with my setup in our new house. So my room is 16' x 24' x 8' / slightly irregular, with steps that lead to up stairs. For the life of me I can't get the loudest sound at the seated position. It is crazy loud at the back of the room on both right and left corners. The front corners are loud as well, but very little output in the middle. I have tried room crawls putting the sub in listening position and marking the best spots. It's always the 4 corners with the RR being the loudest followed by the LR, LF, RF. I have re-ran audyssey played with every variable I know how to do. This is not my first time setting up gear but this is a different house to me. Now I would just put the sub in the RR but that is a non carpeted area with a door right in front of it. The LR is where the steps lead up stairs. So no go on those two any other ideas?
you will never get the loudest bass in the middle of the room. that is normally the biggest cancellation spot.

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Alan. Alan. Alan! Alaaaaaaaaan!!!!!

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Sorry guys, the S3000 finally showed up around 3:30pm and I spent the next hour and a half trying to integrate it...then the wife came home.

Anyways, initial impressions are not all that favorable;

Getting ready for the S3000, I moved my the one T-18 from the rear to the front right corner so now there is one in each front corner. I didn't re-run Audyssey or measure the response, but I did connect the two front subs to the same sub out so I figured I was close with Audyssey.

While waiting for FedEx to show up, I sat and listened to the system in that config...I was astonished how good it sounded! Before when I had tried both T-18s up front, I had just measured the response and said "well, THAT ain't gonna sound good" and moved one in back. Boy, was I wrong...it sounds great! Believe it or not, I actually had more tactile feedback than with the T-18 directly behind my chair.

Anyways, I was then really excited about the S3000...I mean, if it sounds this good with just the two T-18s, adding the S3000 is just going to be pure bliss, right?

Wrong.

I wasn't that impressed after adding the S3000. First, I put it directly behind my chair...and I got this pre-Audyssey:




I was disappointed to say the least. So I tried the S3000 all along the back wall and the back left corner looked the best pre-Audyssey:




And after Audyssey:





Then, I gave it a listen. It was just barely better than with just the 2 T-18s up front...with some material, I actually think it sounded worse. WTF?

So, I turned off the S3000 and measured just the T-18s. I didn't save the measurement, but it basically looked exactly like the graph above with the S3000 behind my chair. Post-Audyssey, it looks pretty flat except for a very narrow but very deep dip around 60hz.

Maybe I just need to put REW away and trust my ears.

Long story short...I've got more work to do, but the S3000 may be going back.
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Sorry guys, the S3000 finally showed up around 3:30pm and I spent the next hour and a half trying to integrate it...then the wife came home.

Anyways, initial impressions are not all that favorable;

Getting ready for the S3000, I moved my the one T-18 from the rear to the front right corner so now there is one in each front corner. I didn't re-run Audyssey or measure the response, but I did connect the two front subs to the same sub out so I figured I was close with Audyssey.

While waiting for FedEx to show up, I sat and listened to the system in that config...I was astonished how good it sounded! Before when I had tried both T-18s up front, I had just measured the response and said "well, THAT ain't gonna sound good" and moved one in back. Boy, was I wrong...it sounds great! Believe it or not, I actually had more tactile feedback than with the T-18 directly behind my chair.

Anyways, I was then really excited about the S3000...I mean, if it sounds this good with just the two T-18s, adding the S3000 is just going to be pure bliss, right?

Wrong.

I wasn't that impressed after adding the S3000. First, I put it directly behind my chair...and I got this pre-Audyssey:




I was disappointed to say the least. So I tried the S3000 all along the back wall and the back left corner looked the best pre-Audyssey:




And after Audyssey:





Then, I gave it a listen. It was just barely better than with just the 2 T-18s up front...with some material, I actually think it sounded worse. WTF?

So, I turned off the S3000 and measured just the T-18s. I didn't save the measurement, but it basically looked exactly like the graph above with the S3000 behind my chair. Post-Audyssey, it looks pretty flat except for a very narrow but very deep dip around 60hz.

Maybe I just need to put REW away and trust my ears.

Long story short...I've got more work to do, but the S3000 may be going back.
Maybe a S3600I may help

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It's not an issue of headroom, it's an issue of frequency response. My room just plain sucks.
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It's not an issue of headroom, it's an issue of frequency response. My room just plain sucks.
I'm not really seeing an issue with your graphs after Audy does its thing. If you decide to return the S3000i then you can put those funds into room treatments. You may need to come to the conclusion that the room is what it is and just sit back and enjoy your killer system.
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I'm not really seeing an issue with your graphs after Audy does its thing. If you decide to return the S3000i then you can put those funds into room treatments. You may need to come to the conclusion that the room is what it is and just sit back and enjoy your killer system.
My thoughts exactly Mike.

I've been planning on getting some treatments for quite awhile now, I've just been waiting until I settle on a final configuration with the subs so I know where the treatments can be placed. Maybe some bass traps will take care of that 60hz dip (along with other benefits).

I think it comes down to this - I can't really justify the cost of the S3000 after listening to both T-18s up front...it just sounded soooo good. Unless I can do some tweaking and get much more of an improvement with the additional sub, I think I've reached the point of diminishing returns.
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Unless you're up for some DIY acoustic treatments, Alan, I'd highly recommend GIK Acoustics.

They have some free-standing treatments as well.

Let the wife pick the colors!
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Unless you're up for some DIY acoustic treatments, Alan, I'd highly recommend GIK Acoustics.

They have some free-standing treatments as well.

Let the wife pick the colors!
GIK is who I've been looking at. The 244s for the front and side walls/corners and Tri-traps in the back corners.

I'm kind of torn on colors. All of our window coverings are "chocolate" brown so I'm not sure if I want to go the same color for the traps, or get some in one color and some in a color that will accent.

I can fit one 244 in each front corner, four on the front wall and two on the side wall. Then the two Tri-traps in each of the rear corners. Total comes to just about $1000, a bit under the price of the S3000.
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GIK is who I've been looking at. The 244s for the front and side walls/corners and Tri-traps in the back corners.

I'm kind of torn on colors. All of our window coverings are "chocolate" brown so I'm not sure if I want to go the same color for the traps, or get some in one color and some in a color that will accent.

I can fit one 244 in each front corner, four on the front wall and two on the side wall. Then the two Tri-traps in each of the rear corners. Total comes to just about $1000, a bit under the price of the S3000.
Booyah and shoot @myfipie a PM, if you need.

I love my dual S3000i, but man oh man, I can only imagine what the T-18 is like! I still think you should put a futon mattress on top of your dual T-18s and watch a movie while sitting on them... just for the kicks! And shakes, of course.
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GIK is who I've been looking at. The 244s for the front and side walls/corners and Tri-traps in the back corners.

I'm kind of torn on colors. All of our window coverings are "chocolate" brown so I'm not sure if I want to go the same color for the traps, or get some in one color and some in a color that will accent.

I can fit one 244 in each front corner, four on the front wall and two on the side wall. Then the two Tri-traps in each of the rear corners. Total comes to just about $1000, a bit under the price of the S3000.
That sound like pretty nice plan to me. If you do need help with set up you can always contact us through our online form. It asks you a bunch of questions and helps us guide you a bit better. Here is the link.
http://www.gikacoustics.com/acoustic-advice-form/
BTW if you are unsure about colors you can always email me and I will have Christina send you out samples. Here is the emails for contact.
http://www.gikacoustics.com/contact/
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@Murphy, try moving forward and backward and side to side of your MLP, physically walk around those areas of your MLP and see if it gets louder in any of those locations as you move around. I'm thinking you're sitting in a huge null as I would imagine your seating is somewhere in the middle of that 24' room length. I could be way off track here, give it try and see what happens.

Yeah the best spot I could find doing this was the RF 1/4 of the room. I sit about 10ft from the front wall. It's crazy the amout of null in this area. Like I said where my dining table is in the non carpeted area it hurts it's so loud but very minimal at the MLP.

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I'm about to start watching movies at the dining room table lol
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