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Yeah, you should measure CC+subs (HDMI output 3 with bass management engaged) if you are mostly movies, Mains+subs (HDMI output 1 & 2 with bass management engaged) if mostly music.

The CC+subs and Mains+subs graphs will show you how well the crossover splice is working...Audyssey gets it wrong most of the time requiring you to do the sub distance tweak to bring it back into line.


So here is the subs+CC. I have it crossed at 100Hz. I have that dip around 90Hz pretty consistently throughout all my measurements so I dont think that is a result of the crossover doing something wonky. I messed with the sub distance and up or down it makes a worse graph so I think this is about as good as I'll get.

One thing I'm a bit confused about though. When I measure with just subs, they're pretty even across 100dB. When i add the CC in it drops ~10dB with pretty much the exact same graph. Any reason for that?

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Order for two V3600i has been placed for our church's new digital pipe organ. 32' pipe produces a 16Hz tone. Tom has been just a phone call away giving his advice on the system. Impressive and definitely helped him get the sale.

I'll update when we perform the install and let you all know what the congregation thinks. Here are the speakers we are replacing:

4 - FR1
2 - SW6

We're replacing the mains with 4 - JBL SRX835P

Merry Christmas!
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How do you you measure just subwoofer or subwoofer and center? Do you physically disconnect speakers or do some receivers have the ability to cut output to certain speakers without disconnect the wires?
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Yes most newer avr's allow you to turn off different channels.

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read the getting started with REW link in Alan P's sig.

If you use the ASIO4ALL drivers and HDMI you can just select which plays. If you use Java you'll have to unplug. I think*

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Yes most newer avr's allow you to turn off different channels.
Do you know what the option would be called? I find nothing in my AVR's receiver nor browsing through its settings that would do it.
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read the getting started with REW link in Alan P's sig.

If you use the ASIO4ALL drivers and HDMI you can just select which plays. If you use Java you'll have to unplug. I think*
I noticed in your signature that you have a Denon X2000W. I have X2200W so it should be close to same in settings. Do you know of a setting to turn off channels?
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Order for two V3600i has been placed for our church's new digital pipe organ. 32' pipe produces a 16Hz tone. Tom has been just a phone call away giving his advice on the system. Impressive and definitely helped him get the sale.

I'll update when we perform the install and let you all know what the congregation thinks. Here are the speakers we are replacing:

4 - FR1
2 - SW6

We're replacing the mains with 4 - JBL SRX835P

Merry Christmas!
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Christ Church Santa Clarita
WOW! Where exactly is your church located? I would stop by for a worship set for sure!
Merry Christmas, and God Bless!
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Order for two V3600i has been placed for our church's new digital pipe organ. 32' pipe produces a 16Hz tone. Tom has been just a phone call away giving his advice on the system. Impressive and definitely helped him get the sale.

I'll update when we perform the install and let you all know what the congregation thinks. Here are the speakers we are replacing:

4 - FR1
2 - SW6

We're replacing the mains with 4 - JBL SRX835P

Merry Christmas!
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Christ Church Santa Clarita
Congratualtions to your entire congregation, they should be loving the addition of that V3600 during the worship music.

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I noticed in your signature that you have a Denon X2000W. I have X2200W so it should be close to same in settings. Do you know of a setting to turn off channels?
No, I just use REW to isolate channels

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Do you know what the option would be called? I find nothing in my AVR's receiver nor browsing through its settings that would do it.
on my Yamaha 1040 I go to in the option where you select speaker size and select Large, Small, or None.

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on my Yamaha 1040 I go to in the option where you select speaker size and select Large, Small, or None.
Thanks. I checked that, I can turn center and surrounds to 'none' but fronts only have small or large choice. I guess I can just unplug those two and turn the others to 'none.'
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Order for two V3600i has been placed for our church's new digital pipe organ. 32' pipe produces a 16Hz tone. Tom has been just a phone call away giving his advice on the system. Impressive and definitely helped him get the sale.

I'll update when we perform the install and let you all know what the congregation thinks. Here are the speakers we are replacing:

4 - FR1
2 - SW6

We're replacing the mains with 4 - JBL SRX835P

Merry Christmas!
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Christ Church Santa Clarita
WOW! Where exactly is your church located? I would stop by for a worship set for sure!
Merry Christmas, and God Bless!
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Anyone who wants to hear two V3600i's put to good use in a large venue is welcome to stop by. We have an amazing organist and are hoping to have the system installed before the Christmas eve service where we will be singing many traditional Christmas hymns. Just Google Christ Church Santa Clarita for our website.

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So here is the subs+CC. I have it crossed at 100Hz. I have that dip around 90Hz pretty consistently throughout all my measurements so I dont think that is a result of the crossover doing something wonky. I messed with the sub distance and up or down it makes a worse graph so I think this is about as good as I'll get.
Looks like in your case, Audyssey got the splice right...you're good to go! Nice looking graph BTW.

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One thing I'm a bit confused about though. When I measure with just subs, they're pretty even across 100dB. When i add the CC in it drops ~10dB with pretty much the exact same graph. Any reason for that?
The LFE channel (REW HDMI CH4) outputs 10dB higher than all other channels.

What is the LFE channel?



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Thanks. I checked that, I can turn center and surrounds to 'none' but fronts only have small or large choice. I guess I can just unplug those two and turn the others to 'none.'
If you are using REW with HDMI; to measure just the subwoofer, use HDMI CH4 (LFE, will measure 10dB higher)...to measure CC+sub use CH3 (CC) with bass management engaged (CC set to "small").

For reference:
CH1 = FL
CH2 = FR
CH3 = CC
CH4 = LFE
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The LFE channel (REW HDMI CH4) outputs 10dB higher than all other channels.
Haha, well that makes sense then!

Thanks again for your input, I really appreciate it.

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If you are using REW with HDMI; to measure just the subwoofer, use HDMI CH4 (LFE, will measure 10dB higher)...to measure CC+sub use CH3 (CC) with bass management engaged (CC set to "small").

For reference:
CH1 = FL
CH2 = FR
CH3 = CC
CH4 = LFE
Thanks. So with subwoofer "on" in bass management and that speaker set to small, any channel will be that speaker + sub right?

Also, can I use the java driver to do that, or do I have to use ASIO4ALL?
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Thanks. So with subwoofer "on" in bass management and that speaker set to small, any channel will be that speaker + sub right?
Correct, as long as you're not in Direct or Pure Direct mode (they omit the subwoofer...usually).


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Yes you can use Java (but why would you if you have HDMI??), but if you want to measure FL or FR separately, you'll have to disconnect speaker cables.
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Correct, as long as you're not in Direct or Pure Direct mode (they omit the subwoofer...usually).




Yes you can use Java (but why would you if you have HDMI??), but if you want to measure FL or FR separately, you'll have to disconnect speaker cables.
I had a problem installing the ISO drivers before. So what speaker choices, in isolation, would you have with the java drivers?
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^^^ I don't miss going through some of this BS myself earlier in the year when I too was trying to get REW and my mic setup. No more measuring for me now I'm just kicking back enjoying my system. There is only so much tinkering one should do.

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I mentioned earlier that the V1500 is out-of-stock until January. I should have also taken the time to point out the new 15V model is nearly a "no compromise" plan B. From about 18-20hz and up, these two models are most/less identical. Only in the very narrow bandwidth of 15-20hz will the V1500 show any advantage at all. This is due to the larger enclosure+slightly lower tuning point. But, overall, I bet 99% of the time we wouldn't be able to tell one from the other in a listening session. The 15V uses the same ICE amplifier module+custom DSP and the same 15" driver as the V1500. Even though we won't begin shipping until next week I'm betting this will be our biggest seller in 2016. The price/performance/size ratio is just about ideal as we can get.

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I had a problem installing the ISO drivers before. So what speaker choices, in isolation, would you have with the java drivers?
You can isolate any speaker, just depends on how many wires you want to disconnect.
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You can isolate any speaker, just depends on how many wires you want to disconnect.
I can turn off the surrounds and center and subwoofer via AVR. Only the fronts cannot be turned off, so I guess I can disconnect them, then turn others off as needed. Besides the manually hassle, are there any other downsides in doing it that way versus the asio drivers (I would prefer not to install them)?

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Hello all-
Has anyone here had any success combining t-18s with v3600is using dual core antimode? if running the sealed subs and the vented subs separately through the antimode shouldn't it be able to equalize?

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I can turn off the surrounds and center and subwoofer via AVR. Only the fronts cannot be turned off, so I guess I can disconnect them, then turn others off as needed. Besides the manually hassle, are there any other downsides in doing it that way versus the asio drivers (I would prefer not to install them)?
That will work just fine.

Are you scared of ASIO or something??
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Has anyone here had any success combining t-18s with v3600is using dual core antimode? if running the sealed subs and the vented subs separately through the antimode shouldn't it be able to equalize?
In order to successfully integrate sealed subs with vented subs I'm afraid it's going to take more than an Antimode. You would need a way to separately and carefully EQ each subwoofer (i.e. REW + MiniDSP).

Do you already have the T-18s or the V3600s? What are your reasons for wanting to integrate the two?
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Well the day has finally arrived! My v3600i arrived early this afternoon, man that packing job is no joke. Tom, awesome job! The guy who dropped it off thought it was a fridge of some sort. This thing is a beast, I knew it was going to be big, but dang! Its quite impressive to witness in person. And the build quality is first class. I haven't had much time today to do anything but hook it up and listen to a few songs and parts of some bass heavy movies. First impression.. Insanity.. Its just pure effortless power my RSW-15 never knew. Its not even a fair fight, night and day difference, and this is just with an initial hook up with very little tweaking, calibration, and no sub crawl. I'll have some time tomorrow to tinker with everything.

Thanks again Tom for taking the time to answer questions, and being available to help. You make a top notch quality product sir!

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What a beautiful sub! I understand what you are saying, because the V3600 is such a big and awesome beast! Let us know what you think after you get thru your weekend! It is as you said, effortless for the V3600! Happy Holidays!
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You know it's big when you see pictures and know the dimensions, but it's always bigger in person. Reminds me of when I got my first real sub the Outlaw LFM-1 EX. All I could do was just laugh at the sheer size of it because I was coming from a little 8" Pioneer sub that I thought was the sh**.

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@cviper … I'm glad you were able to get that bad boy delivered before the weekend so you can have time to get it dialed in and play around with it. As you have already noticed it has pure effortless bass. My prediction is you will spend much of this weekend sitting in your HT giggling with delight as you hear what the V3600 can do. Time to re-watch your favorite bass movies.
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Well the day has finally arrived! My v3600i arrived early this afternoon, man that packing job is no joke. Tom, awesome job! The guy who dropped it off thought it was a fridge of some sort. This thing is a beast, I knew it was going to be big, but dang! Its quite impressive to witness in person. And the build quality is first class. I haven't had much time today to do anything but hook it up and listen to a few songs and parts of some bass heavy movies. First impression.. Insanity.. Its just pure effortless power my RSW-15 never knew. Its not even a fair fight, night and day difference, and this is just with an initial hook up with very little tweaking, calibration, and no sub crawl. I'll have some time tomorrow to tinker with everything.

Thanks again Tom for taking the time to answer questions, and being available to help. You make a top notch quality product sir!

Just for fun, here's a few pics.
The fun part is, 90% of those who pop into chat/call me would consider the rsw15 to be *huge*. On AVS...the V3600i is considered a nice size...

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