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Old 12-10-2015, 08:31 PM
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Hello my favorite buds, sorry for not updating, still in the hospital with more complications than originally thought.

I'm trying to stay positive and follow this thread, it gets difficult to do so though. Keep up the good chatter as I'm trying to keep up with at least reading your posts and feeling all the joy you guys put out, it really is a little dart to my heart.

Thank you all so much for the well wishes and for keeping me in your thoughts, I'm there with you, count on it. I might not post much but I can hear and feel you.................You guys know who you are and what you mean to me.........

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...but sales just exploded in the past 10-15 days.
Just wanted to jump in here to say that I'm also to blame for some of the "explosion." I finally ordered dual V1800's a couple of days ago. But because of my schedule, I asked Tom to delay shipping for a couple of weeks. In essence, I really won't have the time to set them up until after the holidays. It's gonna be a tough few weeks!

But non-the-less...congrats Tom on your's and Jim's continued success!

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Just wanted to jump in here to say that I'm also to blame for some of the "explosion." I finally ordered dual V1800's a couple of days ago. But because of my schedule, I asked Tom to delay shipping for a couple of weeks. In essence, I really won't have the time to set them up until after the holidays. It's gonna be a tough few weeks!

But non-the-less...congrats Tom on your's and Jim's continued success!
Purposely delay the arrival of audio nirvana? You are a much stronger man I am sir!
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Hey guys I had a short PM session with Jeff and he wanted to say thank you to you all for your thoughts and encouraging posts. He appreciates them all.

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Jeff- I have been out for a bit. I am sorry that you are in the hospital at this time. My thoughts and prayers are with you, and hoping for a speedy recovery! God Bless!
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LOL..not really...I may need therapy soon!

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LOL..not really...I may need therapy soon!

BTW: Looking forward to your impressions of the V3600!
Gene - those 2 V1800s are going to put a big smile on your face once you get them setup. With a Plus I was amazed at the difference between the two (v1800 superior - easily). Are you going to use all four in your room or lose the SVS 2000s once the PSA shipment arrives? Congrats too. Steve
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Hey guys I have a favor to ask,

As far as I can tell FB has deleted all of the "user reviews" I have put up there. Maybe they moved them to some section I'm not aware of? I'll keep looking. I thought we were copy/pasting all of the reviews I posted there to our testimonial page on our website but that is just about empty too(for 2015). So unless I can find them on FB, I'm going to need to look through 300(?) pages of this thread to find everything from 2015.

If any of you guys still have these on your hard drives or in some form you can just copy/paste and send them to me (support@powersoundaudio.com) man that would be appreciated. I'm mainly looking for stuff back to say June/2015. I remember quite a few V1800, V3600i, S3000i and even a coupel S3600i. But ALL products would be very welcome.

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My roommate screwed with my subs while I was gone for a couple weeks so now I need to reconfigure them. I need some assistance though. I have a minidsp, rew, umik-1, and 2 xs30's. I have questions that I just guessed on the last time I did this.

1. What do I set the avr volume to while level/gain matching?
2. What level should I be shooting for from the subs on rew spl meter? 75db seemed really low last time after I ran Audyssey.
3. What is the F and Q for xs30? (I didn't use linkwitz last time)
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Hi everyone,

BIG!! shout out to Tom at PSA for all the help getting my new system ordered. He is wonderful to work with

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3 MTM210's, 8 MT-110SR's and Dual T-18's, should be a kick butt set up, once I finish my 2nd theater in 4-5 months. All DIY(except the carpet haha)

I really like the design of the SR's with he ability to use standard swivel mounts(200mm). make it way easier to tweak them when needed.

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BIG!! shout out to Tom at PSA for all the help getting my new system ordered. He is wonderful to work with

System consists of:

3 MTM210's, 8 MT-110SR's and Dual T-18's, should be a kick butt set up, once I finish my 2nd theater in 4-5 months. All DIY(except the carpet haha)

I really like the design of the SR's with he ability to use standard swivel mounts(200mm). make it way easier to tweak them when needed.
HOLY SMOKES!!!!

Now that's what I call a MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

That's an absolutely incredible set up (I'm a little jealous). Nice job. Let us know your impressions once you get it all dialed in.
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LOL..not really...I may need therapy soon!

BTW: Looking forward to your impressions of the V3600!
I'm equally as excited to hear how you like your dual V1800's!

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Gene - those 2 V1800s are going to put a big smile on your face once you get them setup. With a Plus I was amazed at the difference between the two (v1800 superior - easily). Are you going to use all four in your room or lose the SVS 2000s once the PSA shipment arrives? Congrats too. Steve
Hi Steve! I'm smiling even before they arrive! The dual PB-2000's do a very credible job in my 4800 cf theater and I still very much like their sound quality/signature. But as we all know, a little more output and/or extension is always beckoning. As Tom and I discussed, the V1800's output will obviously surpass the PB-2000's. Even so, I will attempt quads with REW to see what results they bring. And if they don't play nice together, one of the PB-2000's will replace an aging M&K in the family room and the other will find a new home at my son's house.

BTW: Was integrating your V1800 and PC12+ straight forward and easily accomplished? Any tips or advice?

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Hello my favorite buds, sorry for not updating, still in the hospital with more complications than originally thought.

I'm trying to stay positive and follow this thread, it gets difficult to do so though. Keep up the good chatter as I'm trying to keep up with at least reading your posts and feeling all the joy you guys put out, it really is a little dart to my heart.

Thank you all so much for the well wishes and for keeping me in your thoughts, I'm there with you, count on it. I might not post much but I can hear and feel you.................You guys know who you are and what you mean to me.........

Most Sincerely Yours, Jeffrey
Jeff,

I wish you a speedy recovery!

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I'm equally as excited to hear how you like your dual V1800's!
You have two drivers in one box while I have one in each of two boxes...both should be outstanding! All kidding aside, I gave serious thought to dual V3600's but just couldn't accommodate the taller vertical form factor at this time. I even thought about laying them down on their sides (anyone ever do this?)...maybe down the line when I go to an AT screen between triple MTM-210's.

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BTW: Was integrating your V1800 and PC12+ straight forward and easily accomplished? Any tips or advice?
Gene - one important reason (besides a list too long to keep this post a reasonable length) I went with PSA was knowing where the owners of PSA started out. Felt confident I could get my Plus to integrate with the V1800 without too much effort with Tom there to help if needed. The guy knows just a little about SVS

I wanted all the output I was buying with the V1800 so I placed the Plus in the front left corner, my V1800 is on the right side straight across from the Plus, but not in a corner since there is a hallway between the sub and my right front speaker. MLP is at the back of the room so no issues with placement/nulls.

I use Audyssey's SubEQ, set the levels a little hot prior to calibration - about 80 vs. target of 75. After finishing the 8 measurements I run them about at around -4 (+6) from where they were set. Measurements post cal look really good and the V1800 does the music side of things much better then the Plus. As Tom has suggested, first thing I did was put on some music and it was a big wow moment.

My recommendation would be to place the V1800s up front and the 2 SVS 2000s in the back or near field. With REW I have no doubt you can make it work, the question is will you really add much by using the SVS subs - it will be interesting to see how things measure, please share.

I want another V1800, that was decided about 2 minutes after cranking it up and prior to cal/integration. Just need to find a local buyer for my Plus, not shipping it. I sold an SVS PB10 a few months ago, too much work and shipping isn't cheap. My son has my old Paradigm sub, so no family member left who would appreciate/use or could have used either SVS subs. Steve
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Ok... after 3 hours of tinkering something clicked and I have this. Way better than my last graph. I think I finally understand how to use REW, miniDSP, etc... I was mad, but maybe I should thank my roommate for messing up my last config!


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You have two drivers in one box while I have one in each of two boxes...both should be outstanding! All kidding aside, I gave serious thought to dual V3600's but just couldn't accommodate the taller vertical form factor at this time. I even thought about laying them down on their sides (anyone ever do this?)...maybe down the line when I go to an AT screen between triple MTM-210's.
I think Toe has his laying on the side. I almost laid one of mine on the side so it could be placed up front but I ended up going with duals in the back of the room where they both could stand up and I got a similar response in either placement.

Congrats on the dual V1800's, I'm sure you're going to be thrilled.
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HOLY SMOKES!!!!

Now that's what I call a MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

That's an absolutely incredible set up (I'm a little jealous). Nice job. Let us know your impressions once you get it all dialed in.
I will for sure but will not have it up and running until April(Tom is storing all 13 pieces until early March), moving into my new home late Feb and hope to have the theater done by April(All DIY). Since I will have the theater framing complete by move in time, I am sure I will unbox everything and test out the system even before drywall goes up haha
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You have two drivers in one box while I have one in each of two boxes...both should be outstanding! All kidding aside, I gave serious thought to dual V3600's but just couldn't accommodate the taller vertical form factor at this time. I even thought about laying them down on their sides (anyone ever do this?)...maybe down the line when I go to an AT screen between triple MTM-210's.
gene,
I had my V3600 laying on its side for a few months, and no issues. I have since moved rooms, and is now standing up. With the V3600 on its side using XT32 and AMDC 2.0, I had a pretty good graph.
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Gene - one important reason I went with PSA was knowing where the owners of PSA started out. Felt confident I could get my Plus to integrate with the V1800 without too much effort with Tom there to help if needed. The guy knows just a little about SVS
Ditto...exactly! I'm sure I'll be happy with the dual V1800's. If the PB-2000's fit in nicely, it'll be icing on the cake.

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I wanted all the output I was buying with the V1800 so I placed the Plus in the front left corner, my V1800 is on the right side straight across from the Plus, but not in a corner since there is a hallway between the sub and my right front speaker. MLP is at the back of the room so no issues with placement/nulls.
The RF-7 II's straddle my screen with the PB-2000's just inside the towers. At 24" high, the V1800's will replace the PB-2000's and tuck in nicely under the bottom (25") of the screen. Hopefully, they'll fit acoustically there as did the PB-2000's.

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I use Audyssey's SubEQ, set the levels a little hot prior to calibration - about 80 vs. target of 75. After finishing the 8 measurements I run them about at around -4 (+6) from where they were set. Measurements post cal look really good and the V1800 does the music side of things much better then the Plus. As Tom has suggested, first thing I did was put on some music and it was a big wow moment.
With my Onkyo 809, I was able to set everything up with Audyssey as you did...setting the pre-cal hot for each sub as high as 85...Onkyo's Audyssey iteration allows for a range from -15 to +12. With both subs, it came in at 91. With my new AVR, the Onkyo 1030, no Audyssey but AccuEQ...will probably set things up similarly but manually. Also, per yours and Tom's suggestions, I'm really looking forward to music and concert content!

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My recommendation would be to place the V1800s up front and the 2 SVS 2000s in the back or near field. With REW I have no doubt you can make it work, the question is will you really add much by using the SVS subs - it will be interesting to see how things measure, please share.
I will definitely implement sub crawl/REW for optimum placements to see what the four subs will yield. It will take a while...most likely after the holidays before I post findings...but I see it as fun challenge!

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I want another V1800, that was decided about 2 minutes after cranking it up and prior to cal/integration. Just need to find a local buyer for my Plus, not shipping it. I sold an SVS PB10 a few months ago, too much work and shipping isn't cheap. My son has my old Paradigm sub, so no family member left who would appreciate/use or could have used either SVS subs. Steve
That's a great sign! I can understand how much of a hassle and effort it is to ship a sub. I was fortunate enough to find a local buyer for my pair of SVS 20-39 PC's a while back. Good luck with your sale Steve!

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I think Toe has his laying on the side. I almost laid one of mine on the side so it could be placed up front but I ended up going with duals in the back of the room where they both could stand up and I got a similar response in either placement.

Congrats on the dual V1800's, I'm sure you're going to be thrilled.
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I had my V3600 laying on its side for a few months, and no issues. I have since moved rooms, and is now standing up. With the V3600 on its side using XT32 and AMDC 2.0, I had a pretty good graph.
Thanks for the feedback guys! I wasn't sure if it was practical, feasible, or functionally proper to lay the subs on their sides. As I mentioned, I did give brief thought to doing so...two V3600's end to end under my screen...ports on the far left and right. But I ultimately decided to go with the V1800's for this pass as they fit nicely under my screen. When the itch comes around again, I can see my future in Hop's set up ...or maybe behind an AT screen.

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Hi all,

We've been at it all weekend and all Tower and T-18ht orders have shipped(Friday) or will be shipping on Monday(everything is built and boxed). Any new Tower or T18-ht orders should ship within one business day. Same with everything else actually except the V1500...we've sold out until January..

The new 15s and 15v should begin shipping next week as well.

Thanks to all for such incredible support!

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You have two drivers in one box while I have one in each of two boxes...both should be outstanding! All kidding aside, I gave serious thought to dual V3600's but just couldn't accommodate the taller vertical form factor at this time. I even thought about laying them down on their sides (anyone ever do this?)...maybe down the line when I go to an AT screen between triple MTM-210's.

I have my 3600 on it's side as Hop mentioned and no issues at all. My response curve is identical (for all practical purposes) to the 12/2 it replaced. I asked Tom about this before I bought and he assured me there would be no issues as well. Nice to have the option with this beast!
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I have my 3600 on it's side as Hop mentioned and no issues at all. My response curve is identical (for all practical purposes) to the 12/2 it replaced. I asked Tom about this before I bought and he assured me there would be no issues as well. Nice to have the option with this beast!
With Tom's assurances and your applied experience, this option makes my potential next steps a no brainer. However, first things first, I am looking forward to and enjoying my V1800's! Thanks Toe!
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Hi all,

We've been at it all weekend and all Tower and T-18ht orders have shipped(Friday) or will be shipping on Monday(everything is built and boxed). Any new Tower or T18-ht orders should ship within one business day. Same with everything else actually except the V1500...we've sold out until January..

The new 15s and 15v should begin shipping next week as well.

Thanks to all for such incredible support!

Tom V.
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You guys need some time off! Really enjoying my newly doubled S1500 setup. Thanks for your excellent products!
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You guys need some time off! Really enjoying my newly doubled S1500 setup. Thanks for your excellent products!
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How are you liking the dual S1500s?

I got mine hooked up, but I think I may have to rethink the location of sub #2 . Don't really have anywhere else to put it though. Eh, I'll work on it.

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My roommate screwed with my subs while I was gone for a couple weeks so now I need to reconfigure them. I need some assistance though. I have a minidsp, rew, umik-1, and 2 xs30's. I have questions that I just guessed on the last time I did this.

1. What do I set the avr volume to while level/gain matching?
2. What level should I be shooting for from the subs on rew spl meter? 75db seemed really low last time after I ran Audyssey.
3. What is the F and Q for xs30? (I didn't use linkwitz last time)
1. Doesn't really matter since you are only matching the relative levels. I would shoot for a MV that gives you around 85dB though.
2. Whatever pleases your ears. I usually set mine to around 80dB.
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Ok... after 3 hours of tinkering something clicked and I have this. Way better than my last graph. I think I finally understand how to use REW, miniDSP, etc... I was mad, but maybe I should thank my roommate for messing up my last config!

Very nice looking response! Is that subs+CC or subs+mains or what??

Can we see lower? Looks like you still have usable extension under 15hz.

Also, you should have 5dB steps on the left hand side...your graphs is looking better than it actually is because you have 10db steps.
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1. Doesn't really matter since you are only matching the relative levels. I would shoot for a MV that gives you around 85dB though.
2. Whatever pleases your ears. I usually set mine to around 80dB.
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Very nice looking response! Is that subs+CC or subs+mains or what??

Can we see lower? Looks like you still have usable extension under 15hz.

Also, you should have 5dB steps on the left hand side...your graphs is looking better than it actually is because you have 10db steps.
Thanks for the response Alan!

That graph is only subs. I'm super new to REW and measuring so I wasn't sure what to actually have on when graphing. I also tried to find a post explaining how to set up the graphs in terms of x and y values / stepping and what I found didn't mention 5dB steps! Good to know. I'll make some new graphs after work with the subs and mains with 5dB steps and see how it turns out.

I still didn't figure out the linkwitz thing. I'm wondering if it is even worth it... I didn't make a house curve this time, but I did add a peak filter around 60-80Hz

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