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post #24571 of 33760 Old 12-24-2015, 07:41 AM
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Pretty sure I'm ordering dual V1800s in the coming days, maybe even today. Probably overkill(no such thing in this forum, right?) for my set-up, but I like the look of the 1800s over the 1500s. They'll be replacing a pair of Rythmik F15s Ive had for the last five years. They've been kind to me, but I'm looking for a touch more kick.

Right now, I'm using an Antimode 8033 but I do plan on adding a miniDSP and a UMIK. I've searched, but I haven't seen a reco on where to set gain level initially. Is there one with the miniDSP or is it just one on at a time until 72-73 dBs is reached?? I should add I'll be using MultEQ XT, if it matters.

I'm not that excited to tackle REW again, though it seems much simpler to implement nowadays. We definitely had a tumultuous relationship the first go-around.

A nudge in the right direction and any help would be appreciated.

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I removed the F25 from consideration because it is sealed. I will be purchasing 2 PSA V3600i enclosures by the end of the week. I was leaning toward this option over the PB13 Ultra because I believe the Iceamp will be more efficient than the Class D amp, as you pointed out 1,700RMS>1,000RMS, I like the visual impact of the larger enclosure and dual 18" subs over a 13.5" driver. Both companies offer 5 year warranties.

What was holding me back from purchasing the PSA was I had never heard of them. Last night I found out the founder of PSA came from SVS and I no longer have any concerns. If SVS made an 18" sub (or even a 15" sub), never mind duals, I would have both 2 enclosures last night. When all else is equal, enclosure/driver size combined with weight sway me. In this case all else was not equal though...the PSA amp produces more power.

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Yeah Tom V of PSA was one of the original founders of SVS and the V in his last name is the V in SVS. Jim of PSA was also one of the key designers at SVS. So trust me when I tell you PSA has a pedigree second to none in the subwoofer world.

I own dual V3600's and they are incredible. My wife thinks I have a small love affair going on with them because I talk about them (a lot).

One other thing I want to mention to you is PSA's customer service. Do yourself a favor and call PSA and talk to Tom. He will answer any question you throw an him and help you in any way he can.

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Pretty sure I'm ordering dual V1800s in the coming days, maybe even today. Probably overkill(no such thing in this forum, right?) for my set-up, but I like the look of the 1800s over the 1500s. They'll be replacing a pair of Rythmik F15s Ive had for the last five years. They've been kind to me, but I'm looking for a touch more kick.

Right now, I'm using an Antimode 8033 but I do plan on adding a miniDSP and a UMIK. I've searched, but I haven't seen a reco on where to set gain level initially. Is there one with the miniDSP or is it just one on at a time until 72-73 dBs is reached?? I should add I'll be using MultEQ XT, if it matters.

I'm not that excited to tackle REW again, though it seems much simpler to implement nowadays. We definitely had a tumultuous relationship the first go-around.

A nudge in the right direction and any help would be appreciated.

Thanks and Happy Holidays.
The V1800 is a sexy subwoofer, I really like the looks of it.

The gain on these ICE amps are very sensitive so most of us have found setting it at 8:30 or 9:00 o'clock works pretty well. This usually gets Audyssey to set the trim level of the subs around -8 to -11. Which is where you want them so you have plenty of headroom and you can run them hotter if you would like.

In my setup I have my gains set around 8:30 and Audyssey sets the trim at -8.5. I'm currently running my subs 8 dB hot (so my trim is manually set at -0.5).

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Well, it's going to be a busy day so I may not make it back to this thread today… so I wish you all a very Merry Christmas.

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The V1800 looks awesome!! Imo a little better then the V1500...to be honest, with the 15v and 15s dropping, I really do not see the need for a v1500 or s1500. for such a slight difference in performance, the lesser priced 15v/s models will surely outsell. I am also partial to down firing and it's nice to see PSA going back to their roots!! I do think the v18/3600i's should be left as is...the 3600 would simply take up too much floor space down firing...not to mention the dual driver tower simply looks bad ass!! The V18 design is sweet because it is actually a hair smaller then the v1500, but trumps it in output above 30hz,plus the slot ports on the baffle look better then traditional port.

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The V1800 is a sexy subwoofer, I really like the looks of it.

The gain on these ICE amps are very sensitive so most of us have found setting it at 8:30 or 9:00 o'clock works pretty well. This usually gets Audyssey to set the trim level of the subs around -8 to -11. Which is where you want them so you have plenty of headroom and you can run them hotter if you would like.

In my setup I have my gains set around 8:30 and Audyssey sets the trim at -8.5. I'm currently running my subs 8 dB hot (so my trim is manually set at -0.5).
100% agree to this statement. My two V1800 are greatly finished and all of us (GF, cats, dog) like the finish very much - even a bit better than the HSU.

I'll do a bass crawl & run Auyssey over the holidays and can't wait for my first impression.

I wish you all a Merry Christmas and joyful hours!

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Yeah Tom V of PSA was one of the original founders of SVS and the V in his last name is the V in SVS. Jim of PSA was also one of the key designers at SVS. So trust me when I tell you PSA has a pedigree second to none in the subwoofer world.

I own dual V3600's and they are incredible. My wife thinks I have a small love affair going on with them because I talk about them (a lot).

One other thing I want to mention to you is PSA's customer service. Do yourself a favor and call PSA and talk to Tom. He will answer any question you throw an him and help you in any way he can.
A few hours ago I bought 2 PSA V3600i. A few of the deciding factors where: a) I felt the 1,700W RMS IcePower amp was better than the 1,000W RMS A/B amp, b) I personally like the visual impact of 2 18" drivers over 1 13.5" driver and the larger size and weight of the enclosure.

I have been a fan of SVS forever. If they offered an 18" sub (or even a 15" sub) never minds duals, I would have purchased them last night. The only thing that prevented me from buying the PSA was I had never heard of the company. I called PSA this morning and learned Tom, the owner of PSA, was the founder of SVS and that alleviated my concerns. So, I pulled the trigger.

Both companies offer a 5 year warranty. The price with shipping and tax was identical for 2 SVS PB13 Ultras and 2 PSA V3600i enclosures. I see both the SVS and PSA threads on AVS have huge followings. I didn't think I could go wrong with either one.

I'm happy to be a member of the PSA community. I may be asking you guys some questions when it comes time to set them up next week. Enjoy your holiday!
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A few hours ago I bought 2 PSA V3600i. A few of the deciding factors where: a) I felt the 1,700W RMS IcePower amp was better than the 1,000W RMS A/B amp, b) I personally like the visual impact of 2 18" drivers over 1 13.5" driver and the larger size and weight of the enclosure.

I have been a fan of SVS forever. If they offered an 18" sub (or even a 15" sub) never minds duals, I would have purchased them last night. The only thing that prevented me from buying the PSA was I had never heard of the company. I called PSA this morning and learned Tom, the owner of PSA, was the founder of SVS and that alleviated my concerns. So, I pulled the trigger.

Both companies offer a 5 year warranty. The price with shipping and tax was identical for 2 SVS PB13 Ultras and 2 PSA V3600i enclosures. I see both the SVS and PSA threads on AVS have huge followings. I didn't think I could go wrong with either one.

I'm happy to be a member of the PSA community. I may be asking you guys some questions when it comes time to set them up next week. Enjoy your holiday!
Well Merry Christmas and congratulations! The V3600i is a monster, and I cannot conceive using two of them unless you want to destroy your home. If you look at my signature, you'll see I too am a fan of SVS and PSA. Both have great customer service (although Tom is really above and beyond in that department). Enjoy shaking things up.

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I ordered mine as well.

Couldn't let Tony have all the fun next week, right?
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you will be thrilled with the v3600 duals for sure. just make sure you have someone around to get it moved around as it is a beast of a sub. furniture sliders are your friend here as well. i, like you was a big fan of svs, but you have nothing at all to worry about when it comes to PSA. they are about as top notch as it gets in both product and customer service. tom and jim are great guys that really cater to their customers. not to mention, any hesitation that you initially had will completely dissolve once you get those monsters pumping music or movies in your room. bottom line, enjoy your subs.


MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!!!!
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you will be thrilled with the v3600 duals for sure. just make sure you have someone around to get it moved around as it is a beast of a sub. furniture sliders are your friend here as well. i, like you was a big fan of svs, but you have nothing at all to worry about when it comes to PSA. they are about as top notch as it gets in both product and customer service. tom and jim are great guys that really cater to their customers. not to mention, any hesitation that you initially had will completely dissolve once you get those monsters pumping music or movies in your room. bottom line, enjoy your subs.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!!!!

Did you say his hesitation would dissolve, or his house, once he gets those monsters pumping?
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How would a v3600 blend with a v1800
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hello and merry christmas to all. i had a strange thing just happen a few minutes ago while i was showing off my dual s3000is. watching the intro to transformers 2007 and when the helicopter first comes in the picture theres a ton of bass as the propeller speeds up so i heard a weird noise coming from the right subwoofer( my subs are in the left and right corner) hard to describe the sound but it didnt sound good. so now i notice that i put my hand on the subwoofer i can feel it from the top, i use to have a object there and it wouldnt movie at all with strong bass now it spins around. the left subwoofer also has a object on it and it stays still duroing the same bass scenes. what do you think i did to the subwoofer? audyssey sets my subs at -11 and usually move it to -3. did something come loose? subwoofer still sounds fine just weird.any ways merry christmas
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hello and merry christmas to all. i had a strange thing just happen a few minutes ago while i was showing off my dual s3000is. watching the intro to transformers 2007 and when the helicopter first comes in the picture theres a ton of bass as the propeller speeds up so i heard a weird noise coming from the right subwoofer( my subs are in the left and right corner) hard to describe the sound but it didnt sound good. so now i notice that i put my hand on the subwoofer i can feel it from the top, i use to have a object there and it wouldnt movie at all with strong bass now it spins around. the left subwoofer also has a object on it and it stays still duroing the same bass scenes. what do you think i did to the subwoofer? audyssey sets my subs at -11 and usually move it to -3. did something come loose? subwoofer still sounds fine just weird.any ways merry christmas
It could be that one of the drivers are disconnected internally
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i see so that would cause the objects on the subwoofer to start moving more during high bass scenes when the objects didnt move before?i place my hand on both subwoofers and they seem fine. replayed the bass scenes everything sounds the same just things placed on the right subwoofer dance now. in a subwoofer enclosure what is placed inside that keeps objects from moving on top such as using it for an endtable? could something have come loose inside that sort of braced it and why do you think it only affected the right subwoofer? thanks for any help and merry christmas!!!
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i see so that would cause the objects on the subwoofer to start moving more during high bass scenes when the objects didnt move before?i place my hand on both subwoofers and they seem fine. replayed the bass scenes everything sounds the same just things placed on the right subwoofer dance now. in a subwoofer enclosure what is placed inside that keeps objects from moving on top such as using it for an endtable? could something have come loose inside that sort of braced it and why do you think it only affected the right subwoofer? thanks for any help and merry christmas!!!
Both drivers will still move but if one is unplugged it will just move opposite of the working one, no more cancelled vibration effect
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thanks ill check it out first thing in the am
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I was going to say they would blend beautifully but I like what bass said better.

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Hope everyone had an awesome Christmas. I've had my V3600 for over ten days now, and the more I listen to it the more I love it. I finally had some time to do a proper sub crawl and calibration with Audyssey. Plus I took the time to read the helpful tips on the PSA website. Never realized the difference between a Gain control and volume control before. Now that I have everything setup and working well my only problem I have now is getting my wife on board with another V3600, because the room would just look so much better with sub symmetry, and probably sound just a little better too
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Hope everyone had an awesome Christmas. I've had my V3600 for over ten days now, and the more I listen to it the more I love it. I finally had some time to do a proper sub crawl and calibration with Audyssey. Plus I took the time to read the helpful tips on the PSA website. Never realized the difference between a Gain control and volume control before. Now that I have everything setup and working well my only problem I have now is getting my wife on board with another V3600, because the room would just look so much better with sub symmetry, and probably sound just a little better too
HA HA HA…Just tell your wife symmetry is VERY important to the proper functioning of any household so you NEED a 2nd V3600. When you think about it you really have no other choice. If you don't get it the whole universe may spin into utter chaos.
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Well Merry Christmas and congratulations! The V3600i is a monster, and I cannot conceive using two of them unless you want to destroy your home. If you look at my signature, you'll see I too am a fan of SVS and PSA. Both have great customer service (although Tom is really above and beyond in that department). Enjoy shaking things up.
Thanks. Yes, Tom was very helpful. FYI - the two V3600i subs will be in addition to the 4 I am already using in my sig. At time, I want bass at levels you would hear/feel in a club and play at rock concert levels. I was just blasting Black Sabbath Paranoid earlier today.

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I ordered mine as well.

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Congratulations! Maybe you will get it in time to blast in the New Year!

[QUOTE=digler84;40019994]you will be thrilled with the v3600 duals for sure. just make sure you have someone around to get it moved around as it is a beast of a sub. furniture sliders are your friend here as well. i, like you was a big fan of svs, but you have nothing at all to worry about when it comes to PSA. they are about as top notch as it gets in both product and customer service. tom and jim are great guys that really cater to their customers. not to mention, any hesitation that you initially had will completely dissolve once you get those monsters pumping music or movies in your room. bottom line, enjoy your subs.[/thread]

I have no doubts whatsoever any more. Once I learned Tom was one of the founders of SVS all my reservations went away. All the accolades I reviewed for the SVS products over the years was from the company he founded and on the subs he designed after all! So, to me, PSA is simply a continuation, or rather a guy who moved on to bigger and better things. Everyone can understand that.

Additionally, I caught this thread and see that PSA has a loyal following and a huge interest. If you compare this owner's thread to the SVS owner's thread you will see it has more replies and considering this thread was started years after the SVS owner's thread, in terms of views, PSA is on a pace to far surpass SVS. That says a lot.

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I just got done watching San Andreas, my oldest and I really enjoyed it. I know its crazy over the top but it was enjoyable. The audio was top notch and anyone looking to showcase their PSA sub should look no further. The S3600I/ XS30SE combo put my son and I right into the middle of the action. I know this is a movie but scene after scene I kepted saying " damn... how much more can these people take". The trumors and earthquakes felt so real that I found myself gripping the couch and after each action scene I would stare at my subs with a smile on my face like a father watching his kids taking their first steps. I just wanted to share my San Andreas experience with everyone and thank Tom and Jim once again for making great subs. Anyone on the fence about pulling the trigger on a PSA sub, just do it trust me
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Any former SVS Ultra owners here that changed to the PSA V3600I? I have a PB13 Ultra, and just purchased a second Ultra - a cylinder one for the second - and now am having second thoughts. My space is also the living room, and I'm having a hard time getting over the odd look of the second unit, but due to the space I've been allotted by my wife, I'm stuck. The V3600i intrigues me, as it looks to be able to have more output than 2 of the Ultra's. My room is rather large and open to the entire house - up and downstairs - and is 8500 cubic feet. I need the power! Any thoughts would be appreciated!

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There are a couple owners that have both and I believe they said the v3600i hands down walks all over the PB13...don't quote me but I think @Toe is one member.
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Thanks for the response. Yeah, based on the specs, it appears that it should handle it with ease, and per their charts, one equals 2.6 Ultras. I should be able to run just one of these and get the bass I desire.

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I'm also curious as to the 2 different EQ's the sub offers, vs the none it comes with standard. Could someone explain?

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Any former SVS Ultra owners here that changed to the PSA V3600I? I have a PB13 Ultra, and just purchased a second Ultra - a cylinder one for the second - and now am having second thoughts. My space is also the living room, and I'm having a hard time getting over the odd look of the second unit, but due to the space I've been allotted by my wife, I'm stuck. The V3600i intrigues me, as it looks to be able to have more output than 2 of the Ultra's. My room is rather large and open to the entire house - up and downstairs - and is 8500 cubic feet. I need the power! Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Are you running the 2 Ultras co-located and in 15hz tune? If so, moving to a single V3600i instead of the dual Ultras would be more of a lateral move as far as real world listening goes IMO. IIRC from the PSA charts, you will get slightly less output with the 3600 below about 25hz or so, but a bit more output 30hz and above vs your dual Ultras. I would ask Tom though and see what he thinks since he knows best.

I swapped out my 12/2 Ultra for a V3600 to use along with my 3 PB13s and I can tell you that the Ultras and the 3600 work together VERY well with the PB13s in 15hz tune. My response is nearly identical (once I got the subs playing well together) to before, but I can tell I have a bit more headroom and the actual sound quality of the 3600 blends noticeably better with the PB13s.

I have never actually compared the 3600 to just one of my Ultras though where I would fully expect the 3600 to spank it pretty good! Both are great subs though, but if I was buying today (the market was much different when I bought my Ultras years ago), the PB13 would not even be a consideration as there are better subs for the money like the V3600.
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Are you running the 2 Ultras co-located and in 15hz tune? If so, moving to a single V3600i instead of the dual Ultras would be more of a lateral move as far as real world listening goes IMO. IIRC from the PSA charts, you will get slightly less output with the 3600 below about 25hz or so, but a bit more output 30hz and above vs your dual Ultras. I would ask Tom though and see what he thinks since he knows best.

I swapped out my 12/2 Ultra for a V3600 to use along with my 3 PB13s and I can tell you that the Ultras and the 3600 work together VERY well with the PB13s in 15hz tune. My response is nearly identical (once I got the subs playing well together) to before, but I can tell I have a bit more headroom and the actual sound quality of the 3600 blends noticeably better with the PB13s.

I have never actually compared the 3600 to just one of my Ultras though where I would fully expect the 3600 to spank it pretty good! Both are great subs though, but if I was buying today (the market was much different when I bought my Ultras years ago), the PB13 would not even be a consideration as there are better subs for the money like the V3600.
I haven't installed the second Ultra yet - I don't really like the like the location I have to put it. My wife got me the second one for Christmas, and it has been sitting in my office for 20 days or so since it arrived. I spoke with PSA, and they pretty much said the upgrade to just one of the V3600's would destroy the single Ultra I've been running. I should get much more output below 25 hz with the single V3600 vs the single Ultra, correct?

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