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post #25021 of 28424 Old 01-20-2016, 12:35 PM
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it's too big. I am not going to place a V3600i in the only spot it would fit because other subs have not performed well in that location. Proper placement is everything and not everybody can accommodate a sub that big.
We all know how much I love the V3600 (so much so I had to get two of them in a short period of time). But Bass even I wouldn't consider trying to shove a V3600 into your current room. It just wouldn't look right. And if it wouldn't sound right either then what's the point?

Now... putting a couple of V3600's in a room with 3 tap kegerator not only looks right but sounds right as well.

This pic is old and I've moved some things around so the kegerator isn't right next to the V3600 anymore. But it's still nearby.
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Am I being ignored here because of the spat the other week between Rythmik and PSA? I've posted a few things here recently and I never seem to get any sort of response.
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We all know how much I love the V3600 (so much so I had to get two of them in a short period of time). But Bass even I wouldn't consider trying to shove a V3600 into your current room. It just wouldn't look right. And if it wouldn't sound right either then what's the point?

Now... putting a couple of V3600's in a room with 3 tap kegerator not only looks right but sounds right as well.

This pic is old and I've moved some things around so the kegerator isn't right next to the V3600 anymore. But it's still nearby.
So...do I really have to ask when the GTG at Hop's place is happening?! Or maybe a GTG at PSA HQ in Ohio?

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I don't think i have posted any photos of my room, still a work in progress. These are cell phone pics not very great. Can't cave in to all PSA speakers yet, just subs so far. I am content as of now, but......... if a speakers woof or tweet gives out.... then maybe.
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I don't think i have posted any photos of my room, still a work in progress. These are cell phone pics not very great. Can't cave in to all PSA speakers yet, just subs so far. I am content as of now, but......... if a speakers woof or tweet gives out.... then maybe.
Very nice room!!

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Very nice room!!
Thanks, I'm still trying to figure everything out. Seems like starting out trying to build a theater you make mistakes, but I've learned to be content with what I have thus far. Improvements here and there.
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good looking room boss. i think you might need to upgrade that center some way, some how. it just looks hilariously overmatched by all the other speakers in the room. time for a mtm210 upgrade if you ask me.
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good looking room boss. i think you might need to upgrade that center some way, some how. it just looks hilariously overmatched by all the other speakers in the room. time for a mtm210 upgrade if you ask me.
I actually upgraded my center from a Bose vcs10 (lol) to an infinity PC351. I purchased the screen before I knew they made AT screens. There is a window behind the screen at ear level, hence the mistakes I've made. The 110 and 210 are too high now to fit above the screen on the shelf but the MT210 towers have caught my attention.
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I actually upgraded my center from a Bose vcs10 (lol) to an infinity PC351. I purchased the screen before I knew they made AT screens. There is a window behind the screen at ear level, hence the mistakes I've made. The 110 and 210 are too high now to fit above the screen on the shelf but the MT210 towers have caught my attention.
too bad not AT, because it would be a nice addition. and you are heading down the right path if the 210's are catching your eye. fantastic towers for sure.
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I don't think i have posted any photos of my room, still a work in progress.
Very nice! Good to see fellow Minnesota PSA fans around.
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I don't think i have posted any photos of my room, still a work in progress. These are cell phone pics not very great. Can't cave in to all PSA speakers yet, just subs so far. I am content as of now, but......... if a speakers woof or tweet gives out.... then maybe.
Very nice room. Don't stress about mistakes made, that's half the fun. It always allows for upgrades and changes. That's why this is a never ending hobby.

Translation…that's why this is an expensive hobby.

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I couldn't resist and ordered dual S1800 yesterday! Looking forward to posting my impressions and thoughts here and integrating/replacing my beloved dual SB13U. I believe they will be shipping early February, according to Mr. T.

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Very nice! Good to see fellow Minnesota PSA fans around.
Another Minnesota PSA fan here! I have 2 XV15's (non SE) I will certainly be adding another 1 (or 2) subs in the future depending on what Tom or this awesome forum recommends.


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I did just install dricore tiles on the floor which helped a ton! Only have a good sized area rug, but putting in carpet soon.


Funny story, before the dricore was installed, we just had the area rug on cement. My wife went to throw it out as it was crappy to start with and we were planning on getting carpet soon anyway. Then she called me while at work and said "the sound is terrible!" I was thinking she must have screwed something up in the receiver settings. I get home and sure enough, the sound was bad. Brought the area rug back in and the good sound came back. That made me realize how much the concrete floor was affecting my sound.
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I couldn't resist and ordered dual S1800 yesterday! Looking forward to posting my impressions and thoughts here and integrating/replacing my beloved dual SB13U. I believe they will be shipping early February, according to Mr. T.

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Travis: What PSA subs did you own before? I thought you used to own dual S3000I's.

Did a history check and I just seen you sold them to a friend.

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Another Minnesota PSA fan here! I have 2 XV15's (non SE) I will certainly be adding another 1 (or 2) subs in the future depending on what Tom or this awesome forum recommends.


Here is my setup:


Klipsch RF 62 II fronts
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2 XV 15's located on either side of the tv


Room is a (mostly) unfinished basement 18x21x8 with just a normal door opening (no door) I do have hardboard insulation on 3 of the walls. Looking at finishing it off with drywall or something else. Slowly putting in insulation in the ceiling and will finish that off with ceiling tiles.


I did just install dricore tiles on the floor which helped a ton! Only have a good sized area rug, but putting in carpet soon.


Funny story, before the dricore was installed, we just had the area rug on cement. My wife went to throw it out as it was crappy to start with and we were planning on getting carpet soon anyway. Then she called me while at work and said "the sound is terrible!" I was thinking she must have screwed something up in the receiver settings. I get home and sure enough, the sound was bad. Brought the area rug back in and the good sound came back. That made me realize how much the concrete floor was affecting my sound.

Keep the XV15's up front and add a pair of 15v's next to the seats as make shift end tables or vice versa.

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Travis: What PSA subs did you own before? I thought you used to own dual S3000I's.

Did a history check and I just seen you sold them to a friend.
CREEPER! Hahahahaha - yeah, they belong to my neighbor now.

TL;DR: They are insanely potent and way, way, way overkill for my bass needs. One of those would be plenty for me, but I like spreading the subs around and once you hear what multiple subs can do to balance things out, there's just no going back. Period. So, I would have purchased dual S1500 a while ago, but kept hearing about the S1800, and I'm glad I held out and waited and kept my dual SB13U. My neighbor bought the V3600 initially, but sold that to another friend of mine here in town and bought my dual S3000i. He upgraded from a single sealed DIY Dayton 12" Ultimax...so just a slight upgrade. =]

I have always been happy with my SB13U until my first audition with a PSA sub and have always wanted more since. I don't have much <20Hz FR in my room and I have moved/rotated my subs around some just the other night, but it doesn't net much change. I have a pretty flat FR for my non-sealed, oddly-shaped room, but after 20Hz, it falls off pretty damn quick - I thought it was the antimode's infrasonic filter, so I toggled that and it had even a bigger drop off when enabled, so I knew that wasn't limiting me. My neighbor with nearly identical placement is damn near flat to 5Hz and still goes strong. He would be totally flat, but he has zero subwoofer correction going on and he's happy, so that's that. Color me jealous! I don't know if it's the dual-opposed design that helps my neighbor so much (identical house layout and similar subwoofer placement) or if it's PSA secret sauce, but as we all know, room design and speaker placement dictate SO MUCH when it comes to acoustics and frequency response. I've got my fingers crossed that the S1800 will net me a lot more <20Hz with similar placement as I have now and equal/better overall FR in REW.

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Keep the XV15's up front and add a pair of 15v's next to the seats as make shift end tables or vice versa.
+1 to this. I was going to suggest adding dual 15V's but Bass beat me to it. That would be a pretty awesome set up…quad 15" PSA subs. Good call Bass.

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I'm not familiar with this notion…what is bass overkill?

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I'm not familiar with this notion…what is bass overkill?
So I've heard bass overkill is when your subwoofer tries to kill you by running you over. PSA subs are pretty well behaved... I haven't had any issues.

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I'm not familiar with this notion…what is bass overkill?
When you hurt your eardrum from the pressure, you know.

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When you hurt your eardrum from the pressure, you know.

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I had to disable Dynamic EQ with MMFR as the pressure was too much. I have been watching movies with Dyanmic EQ disabled for 3-4 weeks now and I think its going to stay that way.
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I couldn't resist and ordered dual S1800 yesterday! Looking forward to posting my impressions and thoughts here and integrating/replacing my beloved dual SB13U. I believe they will be shipping early February, according to Mr. T.

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Did you find out what the final dimensions are of the S1800?
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Did you find out what the final dimensions are of the S1800?
Yep, about 20x20x21" with the front grill on. Should be roughly a 20" cube, sans-grill.

Mike, I had to look up MMFR - I was thinking it was a medical condition and felt sympathy initially, but it's just Mad Max: Fury Road! Hahaha.../seeks out additional caffeine sources. Yeah, that movie can give you a headache along with San Andreas and even Tron sometimes. MMFR and SA were recorded pretty dang hot overall. Although, I think Tron was mixed better in terms of balancing the dialogue levels with suspenseful/bassy scenes. Of course, I love Daft Punk, so I may be biased here.

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Here is a picture of a S1500 cabinet next to the new S1800.
Thanks Jim! That S1500 cabinet is tiny!
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Yep, about 20x20x21" with the front grill on. Should be roughly a 20" cube, sans-grill.

Mike, I had to look up MMFR - I was thinking it was a medical condition and felt sympathy initially, but it's just Mad Max: Fury Road! Hahaha.../seeks out additional caffeine sources. Yeah, that movie can give you a headache along with San Andreas and even Tron sometimes. MMFR and SA were recorded pretty dang hot overall. Although, I think Tron was mixed better in terms of balancing the dialogue levels with suspenseful/bassy scenes. Of course, I love Daft Punk, so I may be biased here.

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SA didn't bother me but I watched it with Dynamic EQ turned off. If the S1800's do not do it for you are you thinking about going back to dual S3000I's?

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I have an old pre/pro with Audyssey MultiEQ (no dynamic volume or EQ). I assumed dynamic EQ was somewhat like old "loudness" controls that gave diminishing returns as the volume was increased. Does dynamic EQ stay fully engaged as you approach reference level? I'm in the beginnings of research for a new (4K, dual sub outputs, Audyssey silver to platinum) prepro or receiver with pre-outs and want to make sure I know what I'm getting.
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I have an old pre/pro with Audyssey MultiEQ (no dynamic volume or EQ). I assumed dynamic EQ was somewhat like old "loudness" controls that gave diminishing returns as the volume was increased. Does dynamic EQ stay fully engaged as you approach reference level? I'm in the beginnings of research for a new (4K, dual sub outputs, Audyssey silver to platinum) prepro or receiver with pre-outs and want to make sure I know what I'm getting.

You are correct. Here is a chart I found posted by someone else in the past.


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I have an old pre/pro with Audyssey MultiEQ (no dynamic volume or EQ). I assumed dynamic EQ was somewhat like old "loudness" controls that gave diminishing returns as the volume was increased. Does dynamic EQ stay fully engaged as you approach reference level? I'm in the beginnings of research for a new (4K, dual sub outputs, Audyssey silver to platinum) prepro or receiver with pre-outs and want to make sure I know what I'm getting.
From the Audyssey FAQ linked in my sig:

What is Dynamic EQ?
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