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You won't be able to hide it from her if she watches a movie with you at -5-10dB provided she heard the S1500 before.............nice move by the way........where are you going to hide the second S3000?...........
Strong work. Not sure i could pull that off. I should try hiding your S1500 in my room. ..
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I upgraded from a S1500 to a S3000 tonight. I didn't tell me wife, just swapped it before she got home. It is right under the tv, right in front of us. She hasn't noticed yet, but to be fair, it is dark.
Ha Ha Ha…I Like It! That's a gutsy move but great risks bring great rewards.

I considered trying that myself, switching out my XV15 with a V3600 but I figured she might notice.
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Ha Ha Ha…I Like It! That's a gutsy move but great risks bring great rewards.

I considered trying that myself, switching out my XV15 with a V3600 but I figured she might notice.
Awesome!
I wasn't lucky enough to have my S3000is installed before my wife came home. So I was definitely questioned on the huge boxes in our living room. I assured her they would 'disappear' when installed in the media room.
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My kids made a fort before I could get mine hidden. Couldn't have hidden my 1800 any way


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Awesome!
I wasn't lucky enough to have my S3000is installed before my wife came home. So I was definitely questioned on the huge boxes in our living room. I assured her they would 'disappear' when installed in the media room.
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My kids made a fort before I could get mine hidden. Couldn't have hidden my 1800 any way
Yeah, PSA subwoofer and speakers boxes are pretty conspicuous. They take away plausible deniability if the wife finds them.
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I upgraded from a S1500 to a S3000 tonight. I didn't tell me wife, just swapped it before she got home. It is right under the tv, right in front of us. She hasn't noticed yet, but to be fair, it is dark.
Excellent choice! What did you do with the S1500?

Also, doesn't the saying go, "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission?"

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Evening all . . . So after being a fan of SVS for years - (and I am talking 12-15 years) just watching and waiting for the day I had enough money to pull trigger, yesterday I find myself on PSA's website, chatting w/Tom, and finally jumped in. S3000i on the way =)))) I cannot wait to get this thing hooked up and finally have some authentic bass to go along with my Maggies. Very informative reading here . . . I will most likely drop in once the sub arrives for some pointers.
Tom - thanks a bunch, I look forward to hoisting that beast into my newly remodeled TV room shortly!
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Congratulations, Doug, and welcome to the family!

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I upgraded from a S1500 to a S3000 tonight. I didn't tell me wife, just swapped it before she got home. It is right under the tv, right in front of us. She hasn't noticed yet, but to be fair, it is dark.
My wife (finally) noticed the 210T's yesterday after a couple of days "My goodness those things are huge!"

I spent today (7 hours worth) moving all my AV stuff to fit the 210C.

Ended up moving the sub to the side of the couch, really cleaned up the look to the room.

Tonight we're going to watch "San Andreas" to test out the system
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Evening all . . . So after being a fan of SVS for years - (and I am talking 12-15 years) just watching and waiting for the day I had enough money to pull trigger, yesterday I find myself on PSA's website, chatting w/Tom, and finally jumped in. S3000i on the way =)))) I cannot wait to get this thing hooked up and finally have some authentic bass to go along with my Maggies. Very informative reading here . . . I will most likely drop in once the sub arrives for some pointers.
Tom - thanks a bunch, I look forward to hoisting that beast into my newly remodeled TV room shortly!
Doug in VA
Congratulations Doug. And welcome to the PSA subwoofer family. Let us know what you think of that beast once you get it all set up.

Nice to have a fellow Virginian here.
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Anyone have an idea of when we will see some frequency responses for the s1800?
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Awesome!
I wasn't lucky enough to have my S3000is installed before my wife came home. So I was definitely questioned on the huge boxes in our living room. I assured her they would 'disappear' when installed in the media room.
At first they seem big but after a while they seem perfectly normal and that's when you go bigger and get more......down the rabbit hole. The good thing though even the big ones if setup properly will disappear in your room......

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Evening all . . . So after being a fan of SVS for years - (and I am talking 12-15 years) just watching and waiting for the day I had enough money to pull trigger, yesterday I find myself on PSA's website, chatting w/Tom, and finally jumped in. S3000i on the way =)))) I cannot wait to get this thing hooked up and finally have some authentic bass to go along with my Maggies. Very informative reading here . . . I will most likely drop in once the sub arrives for some pointers.
Tom - thanks a bunch, I look forward to hoisting that beast into my newly remodeled TV room shortly!
Doug in VA
Hey Doug I hope you drop by and share some impressions and get that post count up a little. Welcome to PSA, looking forward to hearing from you again, feel free to ask for any pointers you like, there's a lot of experience here and folks willing to share that so don't be shy my friend.....

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With the 15S and 15V shipping where are all of the user reviews?
I got my 15V from Tom right after Christmas. Also for Christmas I got a pair of B&W 683 S2s, and some Axiom QS8s..

After playing with a couple different locations for the sub in a complicated room I am extremely happy with it as well as the rest of the system. I had about 2 weeks to play around with stuff before going offshore, so I had to leave it all behind for a month... but have been studying all the tech info on here and plan on doing some tinkering when I get back.

I won't embarrass my self trying to speak in tech terms about it, but let's just say that the black hole scene in Interstellar blew me away, almost made me feel a little queasy, LOL !

So yes Tom is a great guy and I have had a few chat sessions with him both before and after the sale.
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Oh yes I also got an Onkyo TX-NR900 !
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I got my 15V from Tom right after Christmas. Also for Christmas I got a pair of B&W 683 S2s, and some Axiom QS8s..

After playing with a couple different locations for the sub in a complicated room I am extremely happy with it as well as the rest of the system. I had about 2 weeks to play around with stuff before going offshore, so I had to leave it all behind for a month... but have been studying all the tech info on here and plan on doing some tinkering when I get back.

I won't embarrass my self trying to speak in tech terms about it, but let's just say that the black hole scene in Interstellar blew me away, almost made me feel a little queasy, LOL !

So yes Tom is a great guy and I have had a few chat sessions with him both before and after the sale.

I used to have all Axiom speakers but went a different direction for my LCR but I kept my QS8's which I've had since 2005. They are amazing surround speakers.
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Anyone have an idea of when we will see some frequency responses for the s1800?
We should have the product page completed in a couple/few days. The frequency response shaping within the DSP is very close to the S3000i.

Close to half of the first production run is already sold(with a fair number headed to Europe.. ). I'm going to spend the rest of today counting cabinets in the warehouse and trying to figure out how to maintain inventory on 14(?) different SKU in 2016. Every time our vendor ramps up their capabilities I breathe a sigh of relief. Then, 3 months later, our demands has increased again and the process begins anew.

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We should have the product page completed in a couple/few days. The frequency response shaping within the DSP is very close to the S3000i.



Close to half of the first production run is already sold(with a fair number headed to Europe.. ). I'm going to spend the rest of today counting cabinets in the warehouse and trying to figure out how to maintain inventory on 14(?) different SKU in 2016. Every time our vendor ramps up their capabilities I breathe a sigh of relief. Then, 3 months later, our demands has increased again and the process begins anew.



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Sounds like an excellent problem to have
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Sounds like an excellent problem to have
Better than the polar opposite(huge amounts of inventory and little sales) to be sure. But the current situation creates its own set of hurdles as well. Here is one example. About 6 months ago one solution we implemented was to order/accept about 50% more each week. So instead of getting say 32 V1800 enclosures, we would order/accept 48. This helped as the cabinet vendor only needed say 20% more resources to provide 50% more manufacturing volume. However, when we do this across all SKUs we're increasing our inventory holding costs significantly too. But things are moving so fast now, that is becoming less of a variable to worry about.

Now it is just a matter of space and time...

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Better than the polar opposite(huge amounts of inventory and little sales) to be sure. But the current situation creates its own set of hurdles as well. Here is one example. About 6 months ago one solution we implemented was to order/accept about 50% more each week. So instead of getting say 32 V1800 enclosures, we would order/accept 48. This helped as the cabinet vendor only needed say 20% more resources to provide 50% more manufacturing volume. However, when we do this across all SKUs we're increasing our inventory holding costs significantly too. But things are moving so fast now, that is becoming less of a variable to worry about.



Now it is just a matter of space and time...



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Well Tom I'm no business man, but things sound good despite the growing pains, I will say this, the v1800 is some piece of gear! Best audio decision I have ever made, can't wait to get me some speakers, the saving has begun, if my daughter didn't need braces I would already have them, u definitely know how to impress customers!!
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We should have the product page completed in a couple/few days. The frequency response shaping within the DSP is very close to the S3000i.

Close to half of the first production run is already sold(with a fair number headed to Europe.. ). I'm going to spend the rest of today counting cabinets in the warehouse and trying to figure out how to maintain inventory on 14(?) different SKU in 2016. Every time our vendor ramps up their capabilities I breathe a sigh of relief. Then, 3 months later, our demands has increased again and the process begins anew.

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Any of the s1800 being sent to Australia?
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We should have the product page completed in a couple/few days. The frequency response shaping within the DSP is very close to the S3000i.

Close to half of the first production run is already sold(with a fair number headed to Europe.. ). I'm going to spend the rest of today counting cabinets in the warehouse and trying to figure out how to maintain inventory on 14(?) different SKU in 2016. Every time our vendor ramps up their capabilities I breathe a sigh of relief. Then, 3 months later, our demands has increased again and the process begins anew.

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Any of the s1800 being sent to Australia?
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Congratulations, Doug, and welcome to the family!

Please subscribe and post your thoughts and impressions here. Are you familiar with REW and/or have a calibration mic of some sort?

Happy listening,
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Travis - I have downloaded a copy of REW tonight, and have already been looking at places to purchase a Umik . . . Have no clue at this point on how to operate/use either, but I have no problem reading, and enjoy tinkering . . . I have long been a music nut - well maybe not nearly to the extent some are, but in comparison to people I know lol . . .

thanks for the welcome-
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At first they seem big but after a while they seem perfectly normal and that's when you go bigger and get more......down the rabbit hole. The good thing though even the big ones if setup properly will disappear in your room......



Hey Doug I hope you drop by and share some impressions and get that post count up a little. Welcome to PSA, looking forward to hearing from you again, feel free to ask for any pointers you like, there's a lot of experience here and folks willing to share that so don't be shy my friend.....

Cheers Jeffrey
Jeffery -
I appreciate the welcome and the offer to help me out . It may be a couple weeks before I am able to get my sub set up in the room it will finally end up in, as I am still working on finishing-up the remodel. I will end up having questions, for certain . . .
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Hey Tom -
Any suggestions for a starting point for a low pass filter on the S3000i working with Magnepan QR1.6's? Currently my set-up will only be 2.1, and may remain this way for some time. I am definitely more a music fan, though the wife does enjoy watching some movies =) I think she has no idea what she's in for . . . actually, neither do I
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Travis - I have downloaded a copy of REW tonight, and have already been looking at places to purchase a Umik . . . Have no clue at this point on how to operate/use either, but I have no problem reading, and enjoy tinkering . . . I have long been a music nut - well maybe not nearly to the extent some are, but in comparison to people I know lol . . .

thanks for the welcome-
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Hey Doug, you can download a guide from my signature for REW, it's the most informative and straight forward approach to get started using the REW program and UMIK-1. There are several places to get a mic (UMIK-1)....Before using the REW program I would read the guide at least all the way through to taking the first measurement, this way you won't have so many questions getting started.

Just like most of us you will have questions after you get started, feel free to ask, that's why we are here.

UMIK-1 where to buy:
http://cross-spectrum.com/measuremen...ated_umik.html
They're in stock and shipping which is rare for CSL

Here as well:
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.co...rch_str=UMIK-1

You can also buy from Amazon, they're sold by Madisonsound, the above link.

Download the guide and get a good idea what REW is all about, then when you're ready in a couple of weeks to set your 3000 up you'll have a head start.........

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Any suggestions for a starting point for a low pass filter on the S3000i working with Magnepan QR1.6's? Currently my set-up will only be 2.1, and may remain this way for some time. I am definitely more a music fan, though the wife does enjoy watching some movies =) I think she has no idea what she's in for . . . actually, neither do I
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Doug did you buy the maggies new, I believe they were released in 1999, very nice indeed? Depending where the 1.6s start to roll off (50-40Hz ?) I would start with a 80Hz XO and adjust to get a seamless non localized integration with the 3000. A SPL meter is good to have to find the best location for the 3000 until you get a mic and REW up and running, also good for level or gain matching the sub. I hope some of this helps, I'm looking forward to your impressions once you hear the 3000 regardless of how you set it up.

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Any of the s1800 being sent to Australia?
Not at the moment. Peter(Deephz) usually orders things by the container to minimize the shipping cost per unit. I'm sure we'll be sending plenty in the next container though..

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Doug did you buy the maggies new, I believe they were released in 1999, very nice indeed? Depending where the 1.6s start to roll off (50-40Hz ?) I would start with a 80Hz XO and adjust to get a seamless non localized integration with the 3000. A SPL meter is good to have to find the best location for the 3000 until you get a mic and REW up and running, also good for level or gain matching the sub. I hope some of this helps, I'm looking forward to your impressions once you hear the 3000 regardless of how you set it up.

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The 1.6s were interesting as they had a rather unique FR signature <200hz. Ideally, you would have some control over the highpass too. Which receiver/preamp is in the system?

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New satisfied owner of a PSA V1800! I added another smaller 5.1 home theater to my house in a front room and went fairly low end with all the speakers to keep cost down. Rear surrounds are Klipsch KSB 1.1’s, center channel Yamaha NS-C444, fronts Yamaha NS-333, Sanus SANUS BF31/18-B1 speaker stands, receiver Yamaha RX-V379BL and started with a Yamaha Studio HS8 subwoofer from my recording studio computer setup. The main room is 300 square feet, 2400 cubic feet, see attached pics and CAD drawing for more details. I ended up with the subwoofer against the back knee wall but tried also the locations just to the right and left of the TV stand. The front right location was totally dead at all sub frequencies, the left front location was best for the 40 hz and up range but the back location shown in the attached pics had pretty even response for music and movies. I used Transformers: Age of Extinction first 7 minutes for all my testing along with a manually tweaked YPAO setup.

I was very happy with all the non-sub speakers with music, Amazon Fire, PS3, DirecTV and all other sources. Just couldn’t live with the tiny Yamaha HS8 sub for movies so I bought a Bic Acoustech PL-200 to get some rumble. The HS8 has super tight bass for drums and bass guitar, too weak for movies. The PL-200 for the money had a lot of power to shake the room but zero articulation or damping. Amazing sub for the price though. I then rotated my SVS SB-2000, PB-2000 and PB12-Plus subs from my main theater through the front room. Only the PB12-Plus produced a good combination of tight sound and good output below 30Hz. I returned the SB-2000 and purchased the PSA V1800 after exchanging a few emails with Tom at PSA. The V1800 output just dwarfs the PB12-Plus in output across the spectrum while maintaining excellent damping and articulation for both music and movies. Doesn’t seem possible that an 18” woofer could be as articulate as a 12” but it is! It seems that the era of 12” subs for medium size, non-sealed rooms is ending and the new standard is 15” and 18” subs. In that sense the SVS products I own, while leading edge at the time of purchase, now seem to be not a good value looking at the cost for a given level of sound output. The bigger cone areas move so much more air and coupled with the right amp and enclosure, give up nothing in sound quality.

For comparison I cranked the PB12-Plus up to the point where the speaker was bottoming out, took a sound reading, then replaced it with the V1800 and got 11db more output with no distortion and it did sound twice as loud. Sound source for this measurement was program material from Transformers: Age of Extinction, first 7 minutes. Sound meter was Galaxy Audio CM140 Checkmate frequency range from 31.5Hz to 8KHz.

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Hey Tom -
Any suggestions for a starting point for a low pass filter on the S3000i working with Magnepan QR1.6's? Currently my set-up will only be 2.1, and may remain this way for some time. I am definitely more a music fan, though the wife does enjoy watching some movies =) I think she has no idea what she's in for . . . actually, neither do I
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You can run your Maggies full range and begin the sub crossover at 80 Hz (which most people do). However, these are panel speakers, so I’d advise you to crossover lower to receive what the bass panel offers. It’s a unique sound signature that I didn’t want to lose, so I use a 40 Hz crossover on my 3.6 (both high pass and low pass with different slopes), so you might want to look more seriously at a 60 Hz or even a 50 Hz crossover if you want to keep much of what the Maggies give you in the bass department. As Tom mentioned, if your receiver has a high pass filter (bass management), this will give you more flexibility to dial it in and you wouldn’t need to run the Maggies full range (saving your amp and reducing distortion from the Maggie’s low frequencies).

You’ll find the S3000i quite an amazing subwoofer for both music and movies. It’s the right combination of power and finesse. While integrating for music is a bit more difficult, I think you’ll be amazed at what the S3000i can do for your music system. For movies, hold on to your seat.
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