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Im sure to keep cost down

they look sooo much better with it imo. glad i got mine when i did!! smile.gif

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I'm so happy that I ordered mine when I did! I like the look a lot more with the base plate & was the only reason I considered a down firing sub. Looking at mine in my room they look much tougher & meaner with the base plate. I've been playing music all day on them at a lower volume to help break them in quicker! biggrin.gif Tom should at least make it an option for people for say $50 as it would still be a great deal.

When Tom said that something may change I was wondering if a new model, maybe a 12" version was coming out. I'm sure it was to save money. It will cost less to make, package & ship since it will be smaller & lighter.

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Yeah. I'd prefer them with the base-plate, if I hadn't purchased the XS30. Good to have the option, though, for those with tight space restrictions.

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Has anyone tried the xv15 without a baseplate. I have two on order and was given the option of either setup. My initial thoughts are the baseplate...


Adds protection for the speaker
Translates the direction of the sound pressure reducing absorbtion by carpet and padding

I don't see ant technical benefit for removing it. Is it that ugly?
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Has anyone tried the xv15 without a baseplate. I have two on order and was given the option of either setup. My initial thoughts are the baseplate...


Adds protection for the speaker
Translates the direction of the sound pressure reducing absorbtion by carpet and padding

I don't see ant technical benefit for removing it. Is it that ugly?

I love the look of it but on the XV15 I don't think it would matter since neither the driver or the port are down firing. I think it will make a bigger difference on the XS15. Maybe the XS15 should be rotated to fire forward without the base plate now?

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It would have been nice if they gave a heads up. It's a different sub wo the base.

No matter. I will have to look at the xs30 now or SVS.
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It would have been nice if they gave a heads up. It's a different sub wo the base.

No matter. I will have to look at the xs30 now or SVS.

It says on the website you can order them with the base plate at a extra charge.

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I think the base plate makes the sub look badass.
I'm glad I got it with the plate.
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It says on the website you can order them with the base plate at a extra charge.

That's fine. I'll pass on that. Thanks for the info though. How much can that little piece of mdf cost when ordered by the thousands?

It totally takes the character out of the sub.
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IMO, the subs don't look too bad without the bottom plate, although taking it away makes the legs - which are probably still the same diameter - seem a bit "skinny" for the boxes they're holding up. (And the rubber(?) tips accentuate the illusion.)

I'd've gone with "fatter", sturdier-looking legs. smile.gif
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I love the look of it but on the XV15 I don't think it would matter since neither the driver or the port are down firing. I think it will make a bigger difference on the XS15. Maybe the XS15 should be rotated to fire forward without the base plate now?


why do you say the driver doesn't fire downward? all the pics I've seen show this is the case. even the latest web post shows four legs around the speaker...
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Wow. I looked at the pics again. The XS15 looks horrible now. $749 or $769...hmmm. I don't think a small price would have been a deal breaker...

People flocked to the these subs so much that it got to me via word of mouth on these forums. They are really an excellent value.

However, I am stunned that for the exact same price as yesterday, we now get a sub with a missing bottom. Have you guys seen JimCutter's pics? They look great in a home theater. Well, the XS15 version 1. smile.gif. Good job buddy...you beat out the throw to 1st!

Anyone like ice cream? Look at Dove bars or Drumsticks...decontented I believe is the fair word to use here. Ridiculous.
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Kouote name="lsdec" url="/t/1372020/power-sound-audio-discussion-thread/2610#post_23298187"]How much can that little piece of mdf cost when ordered by the thousands?

It totally takes the character out of the sub.[/quote]


Must be more than just a small piece of MDF, the weight drops by almost 20 pounds...
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just make sure you have 2 sub cables....one from AVR sub out to antimode in...then antimode out to sub in.

turn down the gain on the sub and run the antimode (put the supplied mic to MLP) and let it do its thing...

thats it...then re-run audyssey if you have it...then you should be in bass bliss smile.gif

Im curious about this Antimode device also. Do you have to leave it plugged in between your avr and the subs all the time? My theater room isnt done yet, but I would like to have the room calibrated when im done, I never thought I would bother because I have no clue about calibration, but from reading this forum that seems to be the only way to get your system sounding and running optimal. I have it half-assed set up now and I think it sounds great, I cant imagine how much better it would sound properly set up after.

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Im curious about this Antimode device also. Do you have to leave it plugged in between your avr and the subs all the time? My theater room isnt done yet, but I would like to have the room calibrated when im done, I never thought I would bother because I have no clue about calibration, but from reading this forum that seems to be the only way to get your system sounding and running optimal. I have it half-assed set up now and I think it sounds great, I cant imagine how much better it would sound properly set up after.

Yes I was told it has to be the case.
Once calibration, the next time I switch on my setup the Antimode has to be switched on first followed by the sub.
And if I wish to shut it down, the sub goes off first followed by the Antimode.
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Kouote name="lsdec" url="/t/1372020/power-sound-audio-discussion-thread/2610#post_23298187"]How much can that little piece of mdf cost when ordered by the thousands?

It totally takes the character out of the sub.


Must be more than just a small piece of MDF, the weight drops by almost 20 pounds...[/quote]

Wow. I did not see that. It's only 53 lbs now?

Jeez. Pass!
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Yes I was told it has to be the case.
Once calibration, the next time I switch on my setup the Antimode has to be switched on first followed by the sub.
And if I wish to shut it down, the sub goes off first followed by the Antimode.

Yes, it has to be hooked up to the sub(s) and the LFE output of the AVR. The Anti Mode is a tiny box, approx
1 inch height, 4" dp, 6" wide. It can be left on all the time, only draws less than 1 watt per hour. Very easy
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Original xv15 was stated as 94# now it looks like 75#. Likewise the XS series has gone from 75# to about 53#. Theres no way this base makes up over 20% of the weight of these unit. Something's not right here, I'm specifying the original designs at this point.
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Original xv15 was stated as 94# now it looks like 75#. Likewise the XS series has gone from 75# to about 53#. Theres no way this base makes up over 20% of the weight of these unit. Something's not right here, I'm specifying the original designs at this point.

Yeah, clearly a misstep. The original version owners are lucky.

FYI. Wives love those bases. It makes it much more spouse friendly. My big reservation with the xs30 is the lack of that base. I was thinking they should put it on just for consistency and aesthetics.

I just read the announcement. They are excited to announce this update and went on to call it hot rodding. LOL good stuff.

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It says on the website you can order them with the base plate at a extra charge.

I wonder if they can offer a base plate for the XS30?
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I wonder if they can offer a base plate for the XS30?

Not sure but that would really dress up the xs30 imo!!

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Since the conversation has shifted to bases, just thought I'd mention something on the other side of the argument (against bases). If you do decide to remove the plates and have the subs firing towards listeners (as well as to change the height of a XV30), you may not want to use the original screws.

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If you remove the base(s) you'll need to run out and pick up 6(or 12) shorted bolts to seal up the holes in the enclosure. If you try to re-use the current bolts they may dig into the insulation at spots because they'll be way to long. Use 1.5" long bolts.

I haven't had a whole lot of time to mess with my XV30s. System is pretty much untuned because I don't have the time to mess with it. Right now I agree with some of the other posters in terms of the midrange bass/chest thump being somewhat missing. Tom recommended turning the gain up and I did. For movies and stuff, it is pretty scary. I managed to crack some spots where drywall meets moulding. For music though, I got to really crank it (and I mean crank it) before I'm happy.

So I'm positing a few scenarios -
1) Subs are sitting in null spot, or I am. 2 subs though... I dunno
2) Like Tom mentioned, these like a lot of gain. The inbalance between movies/music is large though and I don't like going back and forth tweaking the gain between media
3) Speakers are not level matched by far so EQ'ing + running room correction should help
4) I may be getting too much low bass, that it's overpowering the other frequencies, making me overcompensate by cranking it yet more. Again like 3) got to take the time to tune.

On a side note, I cannot imagine a pair of XV30s on a subfloor. They're quite capable of scaring me on a solid concrete slab/basement with shaking. Just wishing for more from the impact of drums/percussion/eurotrash dance music (ok I have no taste :>)

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I wonder if they can offer a base plate for the XS30?

what would be the point?
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what would be the point?

asthetics...the sub would look like the rest of the previous power x lineup. Also would be able to slide around on the carpet easier without needing to remove the grills. the xs30 with dual down firing drivers like the xv30 but sealed would be awsome!!

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what would be the point?

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Not sure but that would really dress up the xs30 imo!!

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... Also would be able to slide around on the carpet easier without needing to remove the grills.

Hi jbrown15, the two reason mention by basshead81 smile.gif.
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How does adding a bottom plate to the XS30 dress it up? If you want a dressed up sub maybe look at something other then a PSA.

If you're having troubles moving it around maybe hit up the gym tongue.gif.
I personally think it would look a little silly especially knowing that it has absolutely no function. At least on the XS15, XV15 it's protecting the driver.
On a XS30 it would just add unneeded weight.
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Looks like PSA updated their site as Tom had alluded to -- the XS15 and XV15 were updated to just have feet and not a base plate. The base plate is still available via special order (for how long the announcement does not say).

I prefer the look with the base plate and hope it is still available in a few months when I order my second XS15!

We plan to offer both versions for the foreseeable future.

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Tom, could you shed some light on why you did away with the base plate? Is there a performance gain or was it to keep costs down?? Thx!!

Lol I guess I could of read the web page and got my answer...however still I am curious about any performance difference?

The new design has a slight edge in a couple of regards. First, if it is placed over carpet, the carpet will tend to absorb harmonics(distortion)as these can be much higher in frequency than the normal 10-80hz subwoofer range. Second, on a hard surface the vibration isolation we use on each standoff does a much better job than the smaller(thin) pads on the baste plate.

Neither of these is going to make an audible impact in most scenarios. But the benefits are definitely something we focused on during development.

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Has anyone tried the xv15 without a baseplate. I have two on order and was given the option of either setup. My initial thoughts are the baseplate...


Adds protection for the speaker
Translates the direction of the sound pressure reducing absorbtion by carpet and padding

I don't see ant technical benefit for removing it. Is it that ugly?

The carpet will only absorb upper harmonics (distortion) only---which is a good thing..smile.gif The subwoofer operating range(say 10-80hz) cannot be affected by firing into carpet....the sound waves in these frequencies are way too long.

Technically, the new design will be "cleaner" at the seating position(s) when pushed to very loud output levels. However, the difference here is quite small. It is easily measurable, but I can't claim it will be audible in most scenarios.

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That's fine. I'll pass on that. Thanks for the info though. How much can that little piece of mdf cost when ordered by the thousands?

It totally takes the character out of the sub.



I would take our base plate design (just copy a photo) to your local cabinet shop. Show them the thickness, radius, etc. After that, tell them you need it sprayed in a Structural Polyurethane with 4000+ PSI tensile.

I'm guessing you would be *quite* shocked by the quotes you receive. (19 out of 20 won't even have the ability to produce the product btw)

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