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I run all 8 positions. With all the inconvenience involved to run Audyssey, running a couple of extra positions to get more data is only a drop in the bucket.
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Are they in 8 different spot were people might sit? If not, you really don't need to do that. In my system I have two primary seats were someone might sit, so I mic both of those and a spot in between them. Beyond that you come into a situation of diminishing returns where you gain little to no advantage.
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With a sectional and another couch, I figured I would use all 8.
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I'm just wondering how having my second sub directly behind my couch would affect the calibrations..guess I'll find out soon enough lol
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Are they in 8 different spot were people might sit? If not, you really don't need to do that. In my system I have two primary seats were someone might sit, so I mic both of those and a spot in between them. Beyond that you come into a situation of diminishing returns where you gain little to no advantage.
Are you saying you run three mic positions and you're done, does the flavor of Audyssey affect the number of mic spots that are required? Thanks
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That's kinda what I figured. I have 3 seats. I take 2 measurements at each and call it good
I think it's more of measuring the "room" and not necessarily the spots where you might sit.
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I'm just wondering how having my second sub directly behind my couch would affect the calibrations..guess I'll find out soon enough lol
it takes into account the bass in the room...not where the subs are located...

I have 3 subs behind my screen and a large sub behind my seating (like yours) and it works perfectly...again audyssey measures the bass response in the room as a whole..not what each sub does (except its first emasurement...it pings each sub for levels...and distances)
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Does everyone always do all 8?
I run all 8 positions. I use to run 6 but found I got better results when I ran all 8. Besides…. what's two more positions once you get started anyway? Maybe three minutes of time?

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To those that have a dual-opposed sealed sub(s) like an S3000i, do you have yours with the drivers front/back or left& right sides? Does it make any difference?
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To those that have a dual-opposed sealed sub(s) like an S3000i, do you have yours with the drivers front/back or left& right sides? Does it make any difference?
Any thoughts?

It makes no difference on the sound, just make sure you have enough clearance from the wall if you have one of the drivers facing the wall.
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Purchased the 15V for my girlfriend two weeks ago. Installing it this morning (running the cable under the house and up thru the floorboard where the receiver is.) Just a question before I run Audyssey - where would you suggest I place the settings before dialing it in? The living room opens up into the kitchen and small dining nook. Dimensions are 24'x18'x7.5'. Thanks in advance.
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Purchased the 15V for my girlfriend two weeks ago. Installing it this morning (running the cable under the house and up thru the floorboard where the receiver is.) Just a question before I run Audyssey - where would you suggest I place the settings before dialing it in? The living room opens up into the kitchen and small dining nook. Dimensions are 24'x18'x7.5'. Thanks in advance.
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Are you running a single LFE cable? If so, set the crossover to max set the gain at about 12:00, delay(?) 0 ms, and then maybe large on the room size. You can always adjust that after as well. Good luck.
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I've orientated my xs30se with woofers facing all directions and haven't heard a noticeable difference in sound or output. I've read that with dual opposed designs the bass originates more from th middle of the box than the woofers like in a single woofer design. I could be wrong but it's what I've read.
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Are you running a single LFE cable? If so, set the crossover to max set the gain at about 12:00, delay(?) 0 ms, and then maybe large on the room size. You can always adjust that after as well. Good luck.
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It makes no difference on the sound, just make sure you have enough clearance from the wall if you have one of the drivers facing the wall.
I think I possibly could change the sound a little. I know people who say they spun there subs around and almost doubled the output.

There's no way anyone can tell you if there will be a difference though. There could be but it's something you will just have to try.

I don't think there is any CORRECT way to face your subs. Just try both or do whatever suites your tastes better.
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And to fresh.. I did not realize the bass originates from the middle of the box when using dual opposed subwoofers. Intresting

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Are you saying you run three mic positions and you're done, does the flavor of Audyssey affect the number of mic spots that are required? Thanks
Yup, three and done. There are only two spots where anyone sits, so I only need the soundfield good in that area. I've found no advantage to testing the same locations over and over again, nor is there any value from mic'ing spots no one sits.

I don't honestly know if the version matters, but I don't imagine any of them necessarily require more mic locations. It's my understanding the underlying algorithm is basically the same but as you go into the more advanced versions it increases things like the number of filters that can be adjusted. The number of filters could make an audible difference, but would it be enhanced by sampling at spots no one will ever sit? Logic dictates the opposite actually; by trying to make the sound acceptable at locations no one will ever be you're liable to water down the overall affect for the spots where you would actually sit. I would rather have the seats people sit in sound the best they can and not take a chance of possibly diminishing that for something which would benefit no one.
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Are you saying you run three mic positions and you're done, does the flavor of Audyssey affect the number of mic spots that are required? Thanks
Yup, three and done. There are only two spots where anyone sits, so I only need the soundfield good in that area. I've found no advantage to testing the same locations over and over again, nor is there any value from mic'ing spots no one sits.

I don't honestly know if the version matters, but I don't imagine any of them necessarily require more mic locations. It's my understanding the underlying algorithm is basically the same but as you go into the more advanced versions it increases things like the number of filters that can be adjusted. The number of filters could make an audible difference, but would it be enhanced by sampling at spots no one will ever sit? Logic dictates the opposite actually; by trying to make the sound acceptable at locations no one will ever be you're liable to water down the overall affect for the spots where you would actually sit. I would rather have the seats people sit in sound the best they can and not take a chance of possibly diminishing that for something which would benefit no one.
Well said Jim. That's exactly why I don't run all 8. I figure In order to have better overall response in a larger area (more seats) you would in turn give up some perfection in the MLP to get the better OVERALL sound.

For instance.. if I just use 3 at my center seat (MLP) then I can get +-5db from 80 to 5 hz. When I do all three seats the best i have gotten is about the same but I lose another 4db going from about 13hz-5hz.
I would imagine it would be even worse again if I added another seat but it might have a better OVERALL response. Because there is no other seat I don't see the point in doing all 8

With all that being said everyone's rooms are obviously diffrent and I'm sure results will vary for everyone

Also I'll add those measurements are just using audy and no external EQ after audy is finished
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I was always under the impression that all measurements should be within a two to three foot radius in relation to the mlp, and not jumping to a bunch of different seats..
Anywho, order in for second sub today! Can't wait!
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I was always under the impression that all measurements should be within a two to three foot radius in relation to the mlp, and not jumping to a bunch of different seats..
Anywho, order in for second sub today! Can't wait!
That is my understanding as well. I don't possess the capability of keeping my head in the same spot continually while I am in one seat, thus I see the reasoning in running all 8 spots.
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I was always under the impression that all measurements should be within a two to three foot radius in relation to the mlp, and not jumping to a bunch of different seats..
Anywho, order in for second sub today! Can't wait!
That's exactly what I do, I take all 8 measurements in a two foot radius in and around the MLP. The reasons for this are ONE: I never keep my head in a single location when I watch a movie because I'm not a stature and I squirm around the seat a bit. And TWO: I've read in the Audyssesy thread and IIRC the Audyssey website itself and perhaps some other places as well and they said the more measurements you have the better because the software has more data to use in it's calculations (I assume the extra data helps to dial it in better). Regardless, it takes very little to take extra measurements.
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Yes all measurements should be within 2 feet of the first measurement which gives you a maximum of 4 foot. That's exactly what I do. 6 points making a 4x2 rectangle on my 3 seat couch. Those numbers are approximate.
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@JimW , thanks my friend I guess that makes sense as all I'm concerned about is the money seat. If I remember correctly Steve (NCGRAD) said he does something different, his mic positions are all centered around the primary listening positions, he does 8 spots with the first 5 mic positions at ear level and the last 3, right edge, left edge and center of his recliner with the mic height adjustment about 12" higher than the first 5. He said that Mark Seaton suggested he try this and see what he thought.

Apparently he liked the results, maybe he will chime in here and share his experiences.

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when i first got my onkyo 805 i only ever measured the first 3 spots which was my MLP and two other seats where others generally sit. the other seats are probably only 5 feet away, if that. at some point i read that all measurement spots should be used even if it's only around the MLP. these days, i do four at the MLP (one right on my seat at ear level, one to the right of ear, left of ear, and one directly in front at ear level) and then i do two at each extra listening postion to my left and right. once i did that, it really seemed to enhance the overall sound and the surround "feel" of the speakers. everything just seemed more full and enveloping. since then, i always do all 8 spots in the same manner. to my ear in my room, it really seems to make a difference. and trust me, if i could skirt the time it takes, by all means i would but i feel it makes enough of a difference that it's worth it. just my $.02
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when i first got my onkyo 805 i only ever measured the first 3 spots which was my MLP and two other seats where others generally sit. the other seats are probably only 5 feet away, if that. at some point i read that all measurement spots should be used even if it's only around the MLP. these days, i do four at the MLP (one right on my seat at ear level, one to the right of ear, left of ear, and one directly in front at ear level) and then i do two at each extra listening postion to my left and right. once i did that, it really seemed to enhance the overall sound and the surround "feel" of the speakers. everything just seemed more full and enveloping. since then, i always do all 8 spots in the same manner. to my ear in my room, it really seems to make a difference. and trust me, if i could skirt the time it takes, by all means i would but i feel it makes enough of a difference that it's worth it. just my $.02
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its not about "spots" with audyssey...its about different positions around the MLP to gather more information. the more information audy can have to analyse the better the results. use the max number your flavor of Audy allows....anything les will be compromised...first measurement should ALWAS be at ear level in the Main position...then no more than a 2' radius around that.

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