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Dang no wonder I was having trouble with the low end. I had it set to 12o'clock and thought I was boosting it. I switch it to max tomarrow
Always leave the room setting to large before any room EQ or REW measurements........
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That would definitely simplify things for me---having one flat fee associated with any return. But the actual return costs if we include larger freight shipments can range from $40ish(small S1500 shipped within a couple hundred miles) to $250+(freight shipped west of the Rockies). And I basically know all of these variables by heart now handling 99% of everything shipped from/to us for 4-5 years. So it wouldn't add much work for me to give individual quotes. On the OTHER hand, we probably get a decent percentage of website visitors who don't want to*need* to interact with someone to be informed of their responsibility in this regard.

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Always leave the room setting to large before any room EQ or REW measurements........
Every manufacturer configures the DSP differently. On the Reaction 12:00 is default with cut and boost, hence newc33's confusion. I wonder who are the more skilled at tweaking the DSP between the ID Speakerpower sub makers? 🙊

I must say that I really appreciate the compression response charts that PSA posts. No other manufacturer seems to do this. Audioholics seems to believe it is quite important (so do I BTW).
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Every manufacturer configures the DSP differently. On the Reaction 12:00 is default with cut and boost, hence newc33's confusion. I wonder who are the more skilled at tweaking the DSP between the ID Speakerpower sub makers? 🙊

I must say that I really appreciate the compression response charts that PSA posts. No other manufacturer seems to do this. Audioholics seems to believe it is quite important (so do I BTW).
Marc your correct in your statement but I would like to clarify one thing. RA 18's are cut and boost (12 o'clock is neutral) while the g21 is all boost (counter clockwise is neutral)

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What are the pros/cons of Isolation Feet for Subs? I have wood floors and I do get some doors and other things rattling.
I hear claims of tighter cleaner bass among others.
I don't use the isolator feet but I do use a SubDude, and for sure its helped quiet down some of the rattling and vibrations. It doesn't change the quality of bass though, so the claims of "tighter" are probably an exaggeration.

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I don't use the isolator feet but I do use a SubDude, and for sure its helped quiet down some of the rattling and vibrations. It doesn't change the quality of bass though, so the claims of "tighter" are probably an exaggeration.
I use to use the Auralex Gramma (SubDude) when I was living in a condo. I never had problems with rattles but it cut down neighbor complaints. I think the PSA shipping foam should be as effective as a SubDude. I have read many users state that the Auralex products are much more effective than the SVS isolation feet. There are many other "isolators" out there that are pure snake oil.

Raising the subwoofer off of the ground can affect performance. However, it is hard for me to believe that anything less than 6" (like an Auralex) makes much difference.

To be more asthetically pleasing, a cheap thing to try is just fit some Magic [furniture] Sliders onto the PSA feet. Basically a DIY version of Herbie's Gliders.

Now I use the Gramma under my UFO center channel (Mirage OMD-C2) to raise it a few inches higher than the AV stand it sits on.

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Always leave the room setting to large before any room EQ or REW measurements........
I wouldn't say always. The default target curve of Audyssey SubEQ is flat and differs from many other systems. Many prefer a slight rise at the low end. Dialing down the room size before running Audyssey, then dialing back up after is a way to affect the final curve (even if only below 30 Hz).

It is best to have REW to be able to see the results. However, many have reported success (pleasing results to them) flying blind with this technique.

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I don't use the isolator feet but I do use a SubDude, and for sure its helped quiet down some of the rattling and vibrations. It doesn't change the quality of bass though, so the claims of "tighter" are probably an exaggeration.
Here's another vote for the SubDude. It definitely helped reduce some of the rattling for me, as well as some of the impact to other adjacent rooms.
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I don't use the isolator feet but I do use a SubDude, and for sure its helped quiet down some of the rattling and vibrations. It doesn't change the quality of bass though, so the claims of "tighter" are probably an exaggeration.
Here's another vote for the SubDude. It definitely helped reduce some of the rattling for me, as well as some of the impact to other adjacent rooms.
I tried the isolation feet on a V1800 on hard floors for a month and it made no difference in my current house (got the feet for cheap with my cylinder and still have no use for them). However, I placed a subdude (the cheaper $50 one) under my cylinder sub at my old place that had carpet, and it did substantially cut down on rattles throughout the house. I guess everyone's mileage may vary.
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" Dialing down the room size before running Audyssey, then dialing back up after is a way to affect the final curve (even if only below 30 Hz)."

Gonna try that for my next movie.

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Think I can start a GofundMe crowd source campaign for a second sub?
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The outlet has a rare V3600i for $1749! Last week I was up in the air over grabbing another sub or dropping some cash on a pair of Atmos speakers to wall mount up high, but I figured the latter would bring more enjoyment. I'm glad I already ordered everything or that V3600i would have been very tempting. And I like the new 60 day trial graphic on the PSA store items, looks sharp.
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And I like the new 60 day trial graphic on the PSA store items, looks sharp.
Along with the find print...

Power Sound Audio is changing its 30 day Risk Free Trial Period to a 60 Day Trial Period for all of our home audio products. As of July 22, 2016, free return shipping will not be included as part of your trial period.

Might just be me but the entire site's images appear oversize. I'm guessing the web guy has an UHD monitor...

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The outlet has a rare V3600i for $1749! Last week I was up in the air over grabbing another sub or dropping some cash on a pair of Atmos speakers to wall mount up high, but I figured the latter would bring more enjoyment. I'm glad I already ordered everything or that V3600i would have been very tempting. And I like the new 60 day trial graphic on the PSA store items, looks sharp.
I surprised its not sold yet.

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Might just be me but the entire site's images appear oversize. I'm guessing the web guy has an UHD monitor...

Looks normal to me.
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Might just be me but the entire site's images appear oversize. I'm guessing the web guy has an UHD monitor...
I think it is you. The website looks great on both PC and mobile. Try hitting <ctrl>-0 to reset your browser's zoom.
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I surprised its not sold yet.


I'm thinking of grabbing it! I have had my 15v for about a month and the wife approved a second. The V3600i should be way better than two 15Vs right?

I'm talking to Tom now... Need to measure it out I the new living room. My only placement would be front left corner. Going to compare dimensions from what I have on the website...

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The wife thinks she would prefer the V3600i vs the two 15v spread on either side of the front wall.

Anyone have thoughts on one versus the other. Like I said placement options are limited. Would only be able to place in the front left (almost to the corner, same place I would put the single 15v) vertically. I'm not moved into the new house until Saturday so I'm not even entirely sure a second 15v would fit to the right of the tv/right speaker because the basement door is on that wall.

Let me know! Thanks!

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I'm thinking of grabbing it! I have had my 15v for about a month and the wife approved a second. The V3600i should be way better than two 15Vs right?

I'm talking to Tom now... Need to measure it out I the new living room. My only placement would be front left corner. Going to compare dimensions from what I have on the website...

*Edit

The wife thinks she would prefer the V3600i vs the two 15v spread on either side of the front wall.

Anyone have thoughts on one versus the other. Like I said placement options are limited. Would only be able to place in the front left (almost to the corner, same place I would put the single 15v) vertically. I'm not moved into the new house until Saturday so I'm not even entirely sure a second 15v would fit to the right of the tv/right speaker because the basement door is on that wall.

Let me know! Thanks!
My thoughts are that you should find a way to keep duals. You will have great output, but it will have dips at a few frequencies, and possibly located bass because of room modes (nodes).

Or purchase one v3600i now, and sneak on of those little guys into the living room

You could possibly look into the s3600i (sealed version) because it won't be as noticeable because of the height. And because it's a dual opposed design, the cabinet remains basically inert so you can use them as end tables, placing items on top of them, without worrying about them falling off. Not to mention the tactile response you will gain by having them near field if possible.

So is a single v3600i better than two 15vs? No doubt. But some may enjoy the room smoothness of the dual subs over the output advantage of a single large sub.

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I'm thinking of grabbing it! I have had my 15v for about a month and the wife approved a second. The V3600i should be way better than two 15Vs right?

I'm talking to Tom now... Need to measure it out I the new living room. My only placement would be front left corner. Going to compare dimensions from what I have on the website...

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The wife thinks she would prefer the V3600i vs the two 15v spread on either side of the front wall.

Anyone have thoughts on one versus the other. Like I said placement options are limited. Would only be able to place in the front left (almost to the corner, same place I would put the single 15v) vertically. I'm not moved into the new house until Saturday so I'm not even entirely sure a second 15v would fit to the right of the tv/right speaker because the basement door is on that wall.

Let me know! Thanks!
Yes a single V3600 will easily beat dual 15V's. How do I know? Because I had dual XV15SE's and when the V3600 arrived it immediately proved to be a huge improvement.

Now there is a lot to be said for going with dual subs and the smoothing effect it will have in the room. But if we are talking sheer output then the V3600 will trump the dual 15V's.

Allow me to add one important fact. The V3600 is larger than you think. You can use a tape measure to see if it will fit and all that but until you see a V3600 in person you really don't understand how big it is.

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