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post #27901 of 27920 Old 07-28-2016, 10:51 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I'm new to subs and would like to ask if you could explain more as to what smoothing means here.
Smoothing of the response across a wider area.

With a single sub, you can probably get a good response in a single seat (sometimes not), but if you have multiple seats (or rows of seats), multiple subwoofers are a must IMO.


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Also you mentioned reducing localization. Right now when playing music especially I can hear the bass coming from the sub in its current location to the right of the front left speaker. It's very noticeable. Is this something I can fix without an additional sub and will a second sub totally resolve that or partially resolve that?
It is unusual, but not unheard of, for a single sub to be localize-able...especially when placed near the main speakers. In order to try and figure out what's going on in your room, you need to answer a few questions:

Where is your crossover set (in both the AVR and on the sub itself)?
Do you have any sort of auto-EQ (i.e. Audyssey)? If so, where did it set the crossovers?
Where is your sub trim set in the AVR? Where is the gain on the sub set?
How large is your room (in cubic feet, including any rooms that your listening area is open to)?
How loud do you listen (Master Volume setting)?


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Also what kind of work would I need to do exactly to properly place both subs and besides the software that Tom mentioned to me if I only have an spl meter is that helpful or would I be better served to purchase a tool to assist? Tom had mentioned that I could use a mic I already have to start but that the software has a steep learning curve.
It can be done with an SPL meter and graph paper...but I wouldn't recommend it. REW (Room EQ Wizard, most likely the software Tom mentioned to you) is much easier, even with the steep learning curve. REW is also much more precise and in-depth, allowing you to analyze your system with a myriad of tools. Check the link in my sig if you're interested.

What mic do you already have? The most recommended here on AVS is the UMIK-1.
Thanks so much for the reply and I'll reply with answers to your questions tomorrow plus say thanks to all the replies today as well.

In the meantime I decided to purchase the UMIK-1 (I just have a sub headset mic and a blue yeti) but I saw that if I purchase direct from mini-dsp they don't have cal files lower than 20hz whereas getting it from cross-spectrum will have lower than 20hz

What would you recommend?

Thanks again and thanks to everyone
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I would ask over in the REW thread...but if you don't mind the extra cost, go ahead and get the one from CSL.
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It's an rs500. Really excited for it. I hear the 3d is better also.

I wish a screen didn't cost so much more than I anticipated or I would have this bad boy up and running right now lol
Nice newc33,
I am looking at the rs400, but may increase the budget for a rs500! Would like to move into the 4K arena! That being said, I purchased 2 EA Sub Dude HT. Thought it made less vibrations upstairs. I out some of the shipping foam from the V3600 underneath that as well.
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Nice newc33,
I am looking at the rs400, but may increase the budget for a rs500! Would like to move into the 4K arena! That being said, I purchased 2 EA Sub Dude HT. Thought it made less vibrations upstairs. I out some of the shipping foam from the V3600 underneath that as well.
I have owned the rs400 since April and man this thing is out right amazing! And yes the 3D is outstanding.

Best purchase I have made in a loooong time
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Thanks Brian Fineberg, just a little push is all I need.
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WER = Wife Exchange Rate....it moves like any other currency based on any number of factors(time, mood, neighbor's wife got something, etc)...

Good examples of WER:
I buy a $1500 sub...she gets a 17k patio remodel. That's a WER of 11.333

I buy a new 2k processor...she gets a new 70k car. That's a WER OF 35!!!!

Guys....be careful of the WER!....It's dangerous!!!!!
I think this is awesome and hilarious.

So I will share my WER for the new Samsung 65" TV I just bought. I got a great deal on it so it was $1500 (which of course I purchased for the whole family to enjoy). My wife went out and spent $30 on some new shirt or something.
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I think this is awesome and hilarious.

So I will share my WER for the new Samsung 65" TV I just bought. I got a great deal on it so it was $1500 (which of course I purchased for the whole family to enjoy). My wife went out and spent $30 on some new shirt or something.
Now that is a WER even I could live with!
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I'm afraid my WER might cost me. Lol
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In the past 2 years I've spent roughly $13K on audio upgrades. The wife got a new car this year, ~$20K.

I hadn't upgraded my speakers/subs in over 20 years. Her car was 16 years old. Not a bad WER at all IMO.
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In the past 2 years I've spent roughly $13K on audio upgrades. The wife got a new car this year, ~$20K.

I hadn't upgraded my speakers/subs in over 20 years. Her car was 16 years old. Not a bad WER at all IMO.
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That's not bad Alan. I think my real WER is coming soon. My wife is planning a remodeling of the kitchen and living room and possibly even a bathroom. LOL… she may have set me up.
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I'm afraid my WER might cost me. Lol
It was a pleasure meeting you and hanging out this afternoon. I am glad the Triax found a good home. I am also glad I don't have to move that son of gun anymore. I will feel the back in the morning for sure
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Psa mentioned

Hey guys I got an email from Home Theater Review ( I always do) and there's an article in there (on site) How to become a millionaire in the AV business, Power Sound Audio is mentioned as a successful small start up business. It's pretty cool be mentioned up there with some of the best in the business.

http://hometheaterreview.com/how-to-...ideo-business/

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Hey guys I got an email from Home Theater Review ( I always do) and there's an article in there (on site) How to become a millionaire in the AV business, Power Sound Audio is mentioned as a successful small start up business. It's pretty cool be mentioned up there with some of the best in the business.

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I bet Tom is searching his bank account right now trying to find that million .
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I bet Tom is searching his bank account right now trying to find that million .
I hear you my friend and I wanted to comment on your son's preference for the Maggie sound, I wonder why with 3.6's and a Mac driving them..............
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I hear you my friend and I wanted to comment on your son's preference for the Maggie sound, I wonder why with 3.6's and a Mac driving them..............
Ha, yeah, that might have something to do with it . He stops in periodically to listen to music or when he’s got a new CD he wants to hear. Makes it tough when he auditions conventional speakers, though. He’s also been eyeing my amp and hoped I’d get a new one. He kinda likes those blue meters .
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It was a pleasure meeting you and hanging out this afternoon. I am glad the Triax found a good home. I am also glad I don't have to move that son of gun anymore. I will feel the back in the morning for sure
Pleasure meeting you as well.
That's an awesome setup you have.
Thoroughly enjoyed the demo of the theater.

I'm glad this thing is going on the ground level at my place.
It is truly a BEAST!
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Ha, yeah, that might have something to do with it . He stops in periodically to listen to music or when he’s got a new CD he wants to hear. Makes it tough when he auditions conventional speakers, though. He’s also been eyeing my amp and hoped I’d get a new one. He kinda likes those blue meters .

nice...
we all need to keep passing the A/V love down to the next gen...


and he's right, those meters are to die for...!
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I bet Tom is searching his bank account right now trying to find that million .
You know how to end up with a small fortune in the AV industry? Start out with a large fortune.

Tom Nousaine clued me in on that way back in the mid 1990s.

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@newc33 if you want to compare the PSA and RA subs I would suggest since you're very familiar with the G21s unplug them and put the 3600s in their place and calibrate them just like you did with the 21s to see if that's the best location for them. Level match them as well to the same output levels as your 21s. Listen to a variety of your favorite music albums and BDs that you're also familiar with using the 21s as your reference. Do this for two weeks without the 21s hooked up at all.

Get familiar with them and put the PSA subs through some rigorous listening sessions. Try this for two weeks like I said, having them near field like you do now with the 21s playing as well isn't going to show you much except how four well integrated subs can sound No seriously you've had plenty of time with the 21s, replace them with the 3600s for that length of time I stated and report back with your impressions. Do everything you did with just the two 21s and see (hear) what you think. After two weeks go back to dual 21s again by themselves and then post your impressions. I suggest this to a lot of people who are auditioning speakers as well. You really need to acclimate your ears to the different products.

This is the reason I think most people listen to new speakers for a few days while also listening to what the new speakers may be replacing at the same time and think wow it's not a night and day difference, the new speakers are going back, just my
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