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^ Jeff, like you said, it's good to be on the green side of the ground. Keep up with all the good things and it will pay off in time my friend. I just like it when you stop by and post (I miss your prolific posting from the old days).

How are those V1800's treating you? I think I have the only sub from PSA you haven't owned so any feedback you have on the V1800's will be worth it's weight in gold. How do they compare to the other PSA subs you've owned?

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Does the s3000i act like dual s1500?

I have a single rhythmic f12 that isn't quite doing it for me. Was going to look at another f12. However, the s3000i looks like an attractive option. I am still in the trial period of my rhythmic
Ahhh, you’re looking at the PSA charts .

Dual S1500 will do what a single S3000 cannot do, and that is to provide frequency smoothing over your listening area (in case you are getting peaks and nulls with a single sub). However, if you have a good spot for a single sub that provides excellent bass response at your listening position, that S3000 is one impressive sub and you’ll immediately tell a difference from your 12-inch sub. However, it is quite a bit larger than your Rythmik.
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Size isn't an issue. The best spot turns out to be right behind my couch, between a couch and a wal . It is unseen.
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I'm hoping it will match the Satin Dark Cherry Ascend Acoustics Sierra Horizon with RAAL ribbon center channel I just ordered.
It will be close. I know when I ordered my espresso xs30se it was close. To a varying degree it darken over time coming closer to matching making me happy with the resemblance...all things considered.

Fyi...this pic was taken with the sub just arriving having being just freshly stained...The second picture has sample swatches (L)corodvan cherry, (C)espresso, (R) american cherry...I believe. In any case... you'll enjoy that sub...
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Size isn't an issue. The best spot turns out to be right behind my couch, between a couch and a wal . It is unseen.
Checkout the 15V. If you can swing two of these you will achieve nirvana and want to buy me dinner! 😉

The 15s or S1500 are not slouches, the Vs simply pull more output from the 15" driver below 30Hz. You also get more tactile feel from vented, especially nearfield like you describe behind the couch.
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It will be close. I know when I ordered my espresso xs30se it was close. To a varying degree it darken over time coming closer to matching making me happy with the resemblance...all things considered.

Fyi...this pic was taken with the sub just arriving having being just freshly stained...The second picture has sample swatches (L)corodvan cherry, (C)espresso, (R) american cherry...I believe. In any case... you'll enjoy that sub...
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It will be close. I know when I ordered my espresso xs30se it was close. To a varying degree it darken over time coming closer to matching making me happy with the resemblance...all things considered.

Fyi...this pic was taken with the sub just arriving having being just freshly stained...The second picture has sample swatches (L)corodvan cherry, (C)espresso, (R) american cherry...I believe. In any case... you'll enjoy that sub...
Thanks Billy p. I'll post a picture once I get the speakers. Ascend was waiting on the RAAL tweeters to arrive to put the center together, hopefully will get soon.
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It will be close. I know when I ordered my espresso xs30se it was close. To a varying degree it darken over time coming closer to matching making me happy with the resemblance...all things considered.

Fyi...this pic was taken with the sub just arriving having being just freshly stained...The second picture has sample swatches (L)corodvan cherry, (C)espresso, (R) american cherry...I believe. In any case... you'll enjoy that sub...
That is expresso? That seems a bit light?
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That is expresso? That seems a bit light?
Maybe but it might have to do with the lighting as well. I have hardwood floors that look just like that in the sun but literally look almost black without direct sunlight

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I was reading back and may have missed it. Has Tom given a date for when we SE owners can upgrade our amp? I'm very excited about this to see the difference, even if it's not a large one.
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Just want to pop in and add that the ICE amp is a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade from the Bash! I watched Superman vs Batman last night @ reference and the house was shuddering. definitely noticed the deeper extension on some of those scenes. I have logged about 3 hrs of music listening since installing the ICE amps and WOW! Just when I thought what I had could get no better...Much improved transients and the bass feels even tighter! Tom really downplayed this one . I popped into chat earlier and was like "are you serious"? Here I thought that I "might" notice a little difference, but not to this magnitude. Tom replied, "well I did not want you to biased" lol. Seriously, now I know why all the 15v/V15/18/3600 owners are so happy with their subs!

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That is expresso? That seems a bit light?
Since I found the pic I'll post it. Theese are my hardwood floors when they got installed. One pic is in regular lighting and the other is taken with a direct beam of sunlight coming down. It's just hard to tell in pics and if there is a flash it will indeed seem much lighter



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Just want to pop in and add that the ICE amp is a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade from the Bash! I watched Superman vs Batman last night @ reference and the house was shuddering. definitely noticed the deeper extension on some of those scenes. I have logged about 3 hrs of music listening since installing the ICE amps and WOW! Just when I thought what I had could get no better...Much improved transients and the bass feels even tighter! Tom really downplayed this one . I popped into chat earlier and was like "are you serious"? Here I thought that I "might" notice a little difference, but not to this magnitude. Tom replied, "well I did not want you to biased" lol. Seriously, now I know why all the 15v/V15/18/3600 owners are so happy with their subs!
Well that just sucks! Now the XV15se that's in my living room is screaming to be upgraded. Just when I thought I was out Tom and Jim pull me back in again.

So Bass… would you say it's kind of like having all new subs?

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So Bass… would you say it's kind of like having all new subs?


Damn close! Good enough that I want to go back and revisit all the good action flicks and music. Last night after installing the amps, I kept telling myself it was placebo other then the better extension. So first thing today I fired them up and had the same impression that there was a BIG improvement, then I knew it was real!!

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Hi All...
I am a near future PSA subwoofer owner. I have read many of the posts here, and I would like to thank everyone for the great amount of information.
I am trying to figure out which subs I want to purchase, and thought I'd throw it out here to see what you all thought...
My situation:
~4000 cuft open kitchen/living room setup. 70% music, 30% movies....I love concert blue rays. I am currently running a 7.1 system with Marantz SR5004, SVS Prime Bookshelves for mains, Mackie studio reference monitor center channel, Speakercraft in ceilings for surrounds. I tried to make a pro audio 18" 1000 watt sub work in this setup, but could not get good results. The bass was always too loose. I tried distance settings, and phase settings to no avail. The sub is too large to locate anywhere other than where it is, so I could not move the sub. I did just recently take delivery of an open box Denon AVR-X4000 with the Audyssey XT32. I picked up the Denon because the SR5004 does not have the Audyssey XT32 which I will want to help me out with a dual sub setup.

Tom recommended either the 15S or the S1500. Since the specs are nearly identical for both of these, I am leaning toward the 15S as the would fit nicely between two recliners near the back wall....and the second one 15S would fit perfectly in my currently unused 19" rack mount enclosure up front.
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The 60" TV sits above the gas fireplace. The front speakers are directly left and right of the TV sitting in alcoves. There are two rack mounts to the right and left of the fireplace. These rack mounts are open in the back to a wire closet with runs behind all the components (TV, speakers, receiver, BD, fireplace, etc). This room is only about 3' x 12' and I am thinking that I could possibly get a nice boost out of this room if I load it with one of the 15S in the left unused rack mount. There is some space on the right rack system that should pass some bass from the loaded closet.
I didn't mean to go on a rant, I just want you to be able to visualize what I intend to try and see if you guys might have some suggestions. Also...either, the 15S or the 15V would fit in the enclosure (for that matter...the vented versions would also fit) so I could use either one. I am just starting to get a feel for how bass travels, and I'm thinking perhaps the sealed version might give a better response (tighter bass) in this situation since it will now have to load this small room?? Also...is it possible to get a vented sub and a sealed sub to work in harmony....or is it advised to get both the same.
This Sub in the rack system would only be an experiment. If I don't have good results I do have the flexibility to re-locate it.
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@martynic I suggest going either all ported or all sealed but don't mix and match unless you want to spend a lot of time getting them to play nice with each other.

With a room that is 4000 cu ft I would normally lean more toward the 15V than the 15S (PSA ported subs play music with excellent accuracy) and the 15V will give you more authority for LFE with the movies you watch. However, since you are looking for 70% music the sealed 15S may work well for you. BUT if you like big bass in movies than definitely look at the 15V for a room that large.

I really doubt putting the sub in that extra rack will work but you can always give it a try. The best way to get great bass is to keep your sub placement options open because subs have no respect for where we want to put them. Great bass comes down to the subs response to your room and finding where that response is best is the key. That's why so many of us have pushed our subs all over our rooms and our wives think we're crazy for doing it.

I suggest getting REW and a mic, its really the best way to dial in the best location for your subs.

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@martynic I suggest going either all ported or all sealed but don't mix and match unless you want to spend a lot of time getting them to play nice with each other.

With a room that is 4000 cu ft I would normally lean more toward the 15V than the 15S (PSA ported subs play music with excellent accuracy) and the 15V will give you more authority for LFE with the movies you watch. However, since you are looking for 70% music the sealed 15S may work well for you. BUT if you like big bass in movies than definitely look at the 15V for a room that large.

I really doubt putting the sub in that extra rack will work but you can always give it a try. The best way to get great bass is to keep your sub placement options open because subs have no respect for where we want to put them. Great bass comes down to the subs response to your room and finding where that response is best is the key. That's why so many of us have pushed our subs all over our rooms and our wives think we're crazy for doing it.

I suggest getting REW and a mic, its really the best way to dial in the best location for your subs.

Congratulations on your future purchase.
Hop...thanks for your reply. That all makes perfect sense to me. Yes, I had considered learning the REW thing. I guess I'll go over there and start learning...
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Not bad… Not bad at all. But the PSA 210C has you beat weighing in at 55 lbs. It's amazing how big these centers are.
The center in my gameroom weighs 215lbs, the one in my living room weighs 125lbs. My 210c is my lightest.
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I was reading back and may have missed it. Has Tom given a date for when we SE owners can upgrade our amp? I'm very excited about this to see the difference, even if it's not a large one.
Not sure if it is available yet. Tom reached out to a few for trial of the ICE amp replacement to get feedback if the upgrade is worth offering. IMO from what I am hearing its worth every penny at 350.00. So hopefully it becomes a upgrade option for those with Legacy sub's.
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Hop...thanks for your reply. That all makes perfect sense to me. Yes, I had considered learning the REW thing. I guess I'll go over there and start learning...
This is a good mic to go with. Plugs right into your computer with USB. Got a laptop? Traveling REW setup
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@cel4145 ...Which mic is that?
Yes...I have access to a laptop. It's not very powerful, but I think it should work for some simple DAQ. I'll go over to REW and dig up minimum requirements.
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Not sure if it is available yet. Tom reached out to a few for trial of the ICE amp replacement to get feedback if the upgrade is worth offering. IMO from what I am hearing its worth every penny at 350.00. So hopefully it becomes a upgrade option for those with Legacy sub's.
Awesome, I'm definitely interested in upgrading my xs30se. Would I need two amplifiers or one?
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@cel4145 ...Which mic is that?
Yes...I have access to a laptop. It's not very powerful, but I think it should work for some simple DAQ. I'll go over to REW and dig up minimum requirements.
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Best to pop into chat and speak with Tom. I am not 100% sure what that is going to consist of. I could speculate and end up wrong. Lol
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Purchase it directly from cross spectrum if you want it calibrated to 5hz. The UMIK-1 comes from MiniDSP calibrated to 20hz.
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Purchase it directly from cross spectrum if you want it calibrated to 5hz. The UMIK-1 comes from MiniDSP calibrated to 20hz.
That's good to know...Thanks basshead81!
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Well, now I am considering the V1500 vs an HSU. What is the easiest way to contact somoene from PSA? Or does anyone here know if they honor a military discount?
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Well, now I am considering the V1500 vs an HSU. What is the easiest way to contact somoene from PSA? Or does anyone here know if they honor a military discount?
They do honor military with a discount. Tom is almost always available on chat and phone. Give him a call. He will take all the time you need and answer all of your questions.
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They do honor military with a discount. Tom is almost always available on chat and phone. Give him a call. He will take all the time you need and answer all of your questions.
Thank You, I first have to figure out where to find this number
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