Official Power Sound Audio Subwoofer Thread - Page 970 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 23222Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #29071 of 32013 Old 10-06-2016, 05:31 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Hopinater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central VA
Posts: 4,634
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1828 Post(s)
Liked: 4490
Quote:
Originally Posted by chomdh View Post
Proud new owner of 2x V1800's checking in. So far, I'm very impressed. I need to try out some blu-ray movies next, so far I have been using them mostly for music cd's/ lossless rips and some OTA tv. Or does anyone have recommendations for nice LFE in any streaming video (netflix or amazon prime)?
On Netflix Stranger Things has some good bass moments. Also The Finest Hours has some decent bass.
chomdh likes this.

Subwoofers: dual PSA V3601's with a PSA XV15se nearfield
Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210 Center- PSA 110sr Surrounds
Denon X4200 - Oppo UDP-203 - Panamax M4300 - Direct TV - Apple TV - Xbox360
Hopinater is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #29072 of 32013 Old 10-06-2016, 05:35 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
cmdrdredd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FL
Posts: 4,441
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2530 Post(s)
Liked: 2382
Quote:
Originally Posted by chomdh View Post
Proud new owner of 2x V1800's checking in. So far, I'm very impressed. I need to try out some blu-ray movies next, so far I have been using them mostly for music cd's/ lossless rips and some OTA tv. Or does anyone have recommendations for nice LFE in any streaming video (netflix or amazon prime)?
VUDU has some Atmos demos up and the Amaze demo has some nice low thunder rumbles. You can also download the "Ultimate Bass Demo Disc" from the following URL. It has some really nice scenes to use for LFE demos.

#### The ULTIMATE Bass Demo Disc ####
chomdh likes this.

Samsung 55JS9000, Denon AVR-X2200w 5.1.2, PS4 Pro, Gaming PC(SLI 970s), Philips BDP7501 UHD Player, Nvidia Shield TV
2x Elac F5/Elac C5/2x AR PS2052/2x Pioneer SP-T22A-LR/Power Sound Audio 15v w/ Anti-Mode 8033S-II
cmdrdredd is offline  
post #29073 of 32013 Old 10-06-2016, 07:49 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Kini62's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 5,692
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1451 Post(s)
Liked: 1334
Quote:
Originally Posted by chomdh View Post
Proud new owner of 2x V1800's checking in. So far, I'm very impressed. I need to try out some blu-ray movies next, so far I have been using them mostly for music cd's/ lossless rips and some OTA tv. Or does anyone have recommendations for nice LFE in any streaming video (netflix or amazon prime)?
Netflix has Hot Fuzz, Underworld, Underworld Evolution and London has Fallen.

Amazon, MI Rouge Nation, Terminator Genisys, Sicario, and Transformers Age of Extinction
chomdh likes this.

Klipsch RF-62II, RC-500, RS-400, SVS PC12+,
Def Tech SC8000
Harman Kardon AVR 1600
PS3, Apple TV, Sharp 70" Qattron
Kini62 is offline  
 
post #29074 of 32013 Old 10-06-2016, 08:27 PM
Member
 
chomdh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Eastern Iowa
Posts: 162
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked: 104
Thanks all. Those suggestions will keep me entertained for a while. I skipped through interstellar and found lots of deep bass. Again, dual V1800's do not disappoint.
chomdh is offline  
post #29075 of 32013 Old 10-06-2016, 08:43 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
cmdrdredd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FL
Posts: 4,441
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2530 Post(s)
Liked: 2382
Quote:
Originally Posted by chomdh View Post
Thanks all. Those suggestions will keep me entertained for a while. I skipped through interstellar and found lots of deep bass. Again, dual V1800's do not disappoint.
The scene where they are at the black hole has tons of bass effect. It rattles my room really good. This was the scene where I had to insulate my door because it was rattling against the frame.

Samsung 55JS9000, Denon AVR-X2200w 5.1.2, PS4 Pro, Gaming PC(SLI 970s), Philips BDP7501 UHD Player, Nvidia Shield TV
2x Elac F5/Elac C5/2x AR PS2052/2x Pioneer SP-T22A-LR/Power Sound Audio 15v w/ Anti-Mode 8033S-II
cmdrdredd is offline  
post #29076 of 32013 Old 10-06-2016, 09:38 PM
Senior Member
 
WormInfested's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 446
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Liked: 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by chomdh View Post
Thanks all. Those suggestions will keep me entertained for a while. I skipped through interstellar and found lots of deep bass. Again, dual V1800's do not disappoint.
I just got a used v1800 and itching to find time to play with it. i hate busy weeks. lol. how did the subs handle all that great bass in the interstellar movie? were they able to dig down to produce the lows?

Pioneer Elite SC-05
JBL Studio S312II fronts, JBL Studio S10IIs mid and S8IIs rear.
Single JBL S38 center channel
Power Sound Audio V1800, 2 MFW-15's, DIY ported UM18-22, Prosub 800
Oppo BDP-103
BenQ W7500 & Silverticket 110" matte white 16:9
WormInfested is offline  
post #29077 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 05:10 AM
 
Brian Fineberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,302
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3543 Post(s)
Liked: 3515
Quote:
Originally Posted by WormInfested View Post
I just got a used v1800 and itching to find time to play with it. i hate busy weeks. lol. how did the subs handle all that great bass in the interstellar movie? were they able to dig down to produce the lows?
Interstellar doesn't dig that low. So the v1800 should rip that soundtrack apart. (Also interstellar is riddled with clipping)
Brian Fineberg is offline  
post #29078 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 06:30 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 58
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Hi all, still just a novice in this home audio world and I'm looking to add a sub to my lineup. A brand that keeps popping up, clearly for good reason, is PSA. My room is an open concept living / dining room, open to the kitchen. Dimensions are 20.4 x 19.6, so about 400sqft in total, with I believe 11-12ft ceilings (new construction so I'm not quite sure yet). My setup will be used as my everyday cable TV / Movie / Music system, probably a 60-40 (cable/movies - music) split. I've had my eye on the 15V or the S1500 (which is a bit more appealing as there is some B stock available). I'd like to get the collective thoughts of you folks here as to which might be better for my room and had a few questions.

For the size of my room and the content that will be played, do I go ported or sealed- I was thinking ported? Are there any advantages / disadvantages of a down firing sub like the 15V vs a traditional- or is that irrelevant? My understanding is that sealed subs will generally play lower, but you may need multiple to get you there- if I went with the S1500, would I need 2?

Appreciate all the help, thanks!!

Marantz SR5010, Chane A5s, Chane A2.4, UN65KS8000
AudioNewGuy is offline  
post #29079 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 06:58 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
cmdrdredd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FL
Posts: 4,441
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2530 Post(s)
Liked: 2382
Quote:
Originally Posted by AudioNewGuy View Post
Hi all, still just a novice in this home audio world and I'm looking to add a sub to my lineup. A brand that keeps popping up, clearly for good reason, is PSA. My room is an open concept living / dining room, open to the kitchen. Dimensions are 20.4 x 19.6, so about 400sqft in total, with I believe 11-12ft ceilings (new construction so I'm not quite sure yet). My setup will be used as my everyday cable TV / Movie / Music system, probably a 60-40 (cable/movies - music) split. I've had my eye on the 15V or the S1500 (which is a bit more appealing as there is some B stock available). I'd like to get the collective thoughts of you folks here as to which might be better for my room and had a few questions.

For the size of my room and the content that will be played, do I go ported or sealed- I was thinking ported? Are there any advantages / disadvantages of a down firing sub like the 15V vs a traditional- or is that irrelevant? My understanding is that sealed subs will generally play lower, but you may need multiple to get you there- if I went with the S1500, would I need 2?

Appreciate all the help, thanks!!
I'd go with 2 subs regardless(if possible) only because it will give you smoother bass and be able to fill the room better. With that large a room(near 5000 cubic feet to fill) I'd be looking at a couple v1800 or larger subs but I do understand budget constraints may not allow the extra cost. If your focus is more movies/Tv than Music then Ported subs would be better because they have more output. A sealed sub can get a bit deeper and is generally recommended more for music listeners but does sacrifice some on the max output. Between the 15v and v1500 there is no difference in audio quality because of the driver orientation. The differences in output are from the tuning and enclosure size both of which are minor. Bass is omni-directional which means you generally cannot tell which direction it is coming from. With a traditional loudspeaker you can pinpoint the direction it's in. With a subwoofer you can't or you shouldn't if it is setup correctly. Bass will be there without you being able to pick out a direction it's coming from.

Hop onto the PSA website and have a chat with Tom, or call. Explain your room size and what kind of output you're looking for and I'm sure he could give no nonsense recommendations to you.
Hopinater and AudioNewGuy like this.

Samsung 55JS9000, Denon AVR-X2200w 5.1.2, PS4 Pro, Gaming PC(SLI 970s), Philips BDP7501 UHD Player, Nvidia Shield TV
2x Elac F5/Elac C5/2x AR PS2052/2x Pioneer SP-T22A-LR/Power Sound Audio 15v w/ Anti-Mode 8033S-II
cmdrdredd is offline  
post #29080 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 07:04 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Hopinater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central VA
Posts: 4,634
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1828 Post(s)
Liked: 4490
In that size room (about 4800 cu ft) go ported… definitely ported.

To experience what a sealed sub can do as far as extension is concerned you need power so you would need multiple sealed 15" subs to even begin to experience deep extension.

And there is no real difference between down firing and front firing.

Finally, dual subs is almost always a great idea.
chomdh, cel4145 and AudioNewGuy like this.

Subwoofers: dual PSA V3601's with a PSA XV15se nearfield
Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210 Center- PSA 110sr Surrounds
Denon X4200 - Oppo UDP-203 - Panamax M4300 - Direct TV - Apple TV - Xbox360
Hopinater is offline  
post #29081 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 08:21 AM
Senior Member
 
Bill Kentucky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Southeastern WI
Posts: 401
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 267 Post(s)
Liked: 251
To hop into the Netflix discussion of earlier, I noticed a pretty big difference in audio quality between the netflix website and the netflix app. The netflix app for Windows has much better audio streaming quality. Definitely use that if you can, the audio in Stranger Things was awesome.
Bill Kentucky is offline  
post #29082 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 08:38 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
lizrussspike's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Parkview, IA
Posts: 1,466
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 523 Post(s)
Liked: 651
The Netflix app in the OPPO has no issues, as right from the first episode in Stranger Things, the bass is present.
lizrussspike is offline  
post #29083 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 08:52 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
cmdrdredd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FL
Posts: 4,441
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2530 Post(s)
Liked: 2382
Quote:
Originally Posted by lizrussspike View Post
The Netflix app in the OPPO has no issues, as right from the first episode in Stranger Things, the bass is present.
It's probably giving you Dolby Digital+ 5.1 from the app while the website will only be stereo.

Samsung 55JS9000, Denon AVR-X2200w 5.1.2, PS4 Pro, Gaming PC(SLI 970s), Philips BDP7501 UHD Player, Nvidia Shield TV
2x Elac F5/Elac C5/2x AR PS2052/2x Pioneer SP-T22A-LR/Power Sound Audio 15v w/ Anti-Mode 8033S-II
cmdrdredd is offline  
post #29084 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 08:57 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 58
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Liked: 17
@Hopinater @cmdrdredd

Thanks for the tips / suggestions! Good to know that I was headed in the right direction looking for ported. Unfortunately, my condo isn't big enough for a true home theater room (will have to wait for my first real house ) so to your points, I do have a quite a large room to fill with proper bass. I do like feeling that 'punch' of sub in your chest that you experience during movie explosions, dub step music, or the strong kick of a bass drum. I guess I'm now debating whether I would go with the 15V or the V1500. As much as I hate to admit it, aesthetics do play in a part in what I'd like to purchase and while I would love 2 subs, I do think it could turn into a bit of an eye sore for my space. I suppose my next step will be to reach out to Tom and take it from there. Again, appreciate the help!

Marantz SR5010, Chane A5s, Chane A2.4, UN65KS8000
AudioNewGuy is offline  
post #29085 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 09:08 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
lizrussspike's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Parkview, IA
Posts: 1,466
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 523 Post(s)
Liked: 651
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrdredd View Post
It's probably giving you Dolby Digital+ 5.1 from the app while the website will only be stereo.
Agrees DD + 5.1. I cannot comment on the Netflix windows app.
I do know Stranger Things sounds really good on an all PSA system
cmdrdredd and chomdh like this.
lizrussspike is offline  
post #29086 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 09:25 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
cmdrdredd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FL
Posts: 4,441
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2530 Post(s)
Liked: 2382
Quote:
Originally Posted by lizrussspike View Post
Agrees DD + 5.1. I cannot comment on the Netflix windows app.
I do know Stranger Things sounds really good on an all PSA system
The Windows 10 app will output DD+

Samsung 55JS9000, Denon AVR-X2200w 5.1.2, PS4 Pro, Gaming PC(SLI 970s), Philips BDP7501 UHD Player, Nvidia Shield TV
2x Elac F5/Elac C5/2x AR PS2052/2x Pioneer SP-T22A-LR/Power Sound Audio 15v w/ Anti-Mode 8033S-II
cmdrdredd is offline  
post #29087 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 09:45 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Alan P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,428
Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4729 Post(s)
Liked: 3370
Quote:
Originally Posted by chomdh View Post
Proud new owner of 2x V1800's checking in. So far, I'm very impressed. I need to try out some blu-ray movies next, so far I have been using them mostly for music cd's/ lossless rips and some OTA tv. Or does anyone have recommendations for nice LFE in any streaming video (netflix or amazon prime)?
The Dead Room on Netflix has some intense bass.
Alan P is offline  
post #29088 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 09:55 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Alan P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,428
Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4729 Post(s)
Liked: 3370
Quote:
Originally Posted by AudioNewGuy View Post
if I went with the S1500, would I need 2?
More like 6.

Ported FTW.
Alan P is offline  
post #29089 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 01:11 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
raynist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: PA
Posts: 3,407
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked: 1252
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post
Interstellar doesn't dig that low. So the v1800 should rip that soundtrack apart. (Also interstellar is riddled with clipping)
Just looked at the graph because I couldn't remember. Huge 30hz spike in the peak graph or it would be a 10hz rated movie.
raynist is offline  
post #29090 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 01:38 PM
 
Brian Fineberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,302
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3543 Post(s)
Liked: 3515
Quote:
Originally Posted by raynist View Post
Just looked at the graph because I couldn't remember. Huge 30hz spike in the peak graph or it would be a 10hz rated movie.
umm..no it actually still would be a 20Hz movie instead of a 22Hz movie (without the 30Hz spike)

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...ic-etc/?p=6800




and even if you were correct...if the queen had balls she would be the King
Brian Fineberg is offline  
post #29091 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 01:41 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
raynist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: PA
Posts: 3,407
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked: 1252
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post
umm..no it actually still would be a 20Hz movie instead of a 22Hz movie (without the 30Hz spike)

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...ic-etc/?p=6800




and even if you were correct...if the queen had balls she would be the King
So you look at that graph and say there is no usable output under 20hz? On the green graph the level at 10hz is the same as at 70hz. Also the level at 1hz is the same as 20hz. But we have had this discussion before.

I will have to watch it again. I don't really remember the movie.

Last edited by raynist; 10-07-2016 at 01:46 PM.
raynist is offline  
post #29092 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 01:44 PM
Senior Member
 
Bill Kentucky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Southeastern WI
Posts: 401
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 267 Post(s)
Liked: 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrdredd View Post
The Windows 10 app will output DD+
This is correct. My receiver picks it up as DD+, whereas the windowed version (non-app) outputs at whatever the PC outputs native (stereo).


Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian View Post
and even if you were correct...if the queen had balls she would be the King
LOL
Bill Kentucky is offline  
post #29093 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 01:50 PM
 
Brian Fineberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,302
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3543 Post(s)
Liked: 3515
Quote:
Originally Posted by raynist View Post
So you look at that graph and say there is no usable output under 20hz? On the green graph the level at 10hz is the same as at 70hz. Also the level at 1hz is the same as 20hz. But we have had this discussion before.

I will have to watch it again. I don't really remember the movie.
not really no...under 20Hz will be barely detectable....even the 1Hz is 15db down from the bulk of the 30Hz.

and as Scott said..its another loudness wars 30Hz monster which is reverd by many...but this one in particualar sounds like crap...tons of clipping..but people still swear its the best evaaaa! haha

with that said...I like the movie and the bass...<---is that even possible after I just ***** on it? haha
Brian Fineberg is offline  
post #29094 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 01:53 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
raynist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: PA
Posts: 3,407
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked: 1252
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post
not really no...under 20Hz will be barely detectable....even the 1Hz is 15db down from the bulk of the 30Hz.

and as @ScottSimonian said..its another loudness wars 30Hz monster which is reverd by many...but this one in particualar sounds like crap...tons of clipping..but people still swear its the best evaaaa! haha

with that said...I like the movie and the bass...<---is that even possible after I just ***** on it? haha
LOL - i will have to watch it again. I don't really remember the bass which might be telling 😀
Brian Fineberg likes this.
raynist is offline  
post #29095 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 06:22 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
basshead81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Fort Wayne, IN
Posts: 10,804
Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 184 Post(s)
Liked: 5376
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post
not really no...under 20Hz will be barely detectable....even the 1Hz is 15db down from the bulk of the 30Hz.

and as Scott said..its another loudness wars 30Hz monster which is reverd by many...but this one in particualar sounds like crap...tons of clipping..but people still swear its the best evaaaa! haha

with that said...I like the movie and the bass...<---is that even possible after I just ***** on it? haha
I believe this is why the trend as of late has focused on MBM's instead of being reference capable to 3hz. 99% percent of all the recent action oriented flicks are all 30hz + monsterss. Then the movies that do have really low bass are terrible and seem like the LFE was added by mistake.
ahblaza and Hopinater like this.

Getting Started with REW: A Step by Step Guide -->http://www.roomeqwizard.com/REWhelp.pdf

Mini DSP Tutorial by Neutro --> http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...g-minidsp.html
basshead81 is offline  
post #29096 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 06:47 PM
Toe
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Toe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 15,164
Mentioned: 39 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1479 Post(s)
Liked: 1847
Quote:
Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post
I believe this is why the trend as of late has focused on MBM's instead of being reference capable to 3hz. 99% percent of all the recent action oriented flicks are all 30hz + monsterss. Then the movies that do have really low bass are terrible and seem like the LFE was added by mistake.
Not to mention the lower the bass, the more dbs you need to have significant impact (one reason so many like a house curve). I personally don't see any point in having 5hz extension if your only going to hit ~100dbs, but I don't really get excited by movie bass at this point unless it's hitting in the 120-130db range which is why I run hot below 50hz and use kickers on my platform.
ahblaza and Hopinater like this.
Toe is offline  
post #29097 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 07:03 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Hopinater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central VA
Posts: 4,634
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1828 Post(s)
Liked: 4490
Quote:
Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post
I believe this is why the trend as of late has focused on MBM's instead of being reference capable to 3hz. 99% percent of all the recent action oriented flicks are all 30hz + monsterss. Then the movies that do have really low bass are terrible and seem like the LFE was added by mistake.
Yeah I've noticed that trend and it makes sense IMO.

Sigh…. One more thing to have to consider adding.

But on the bright side I do love mid bass punch.
Toe and basshead81 like this.

Subwoofers: dual PSA V3601's with a PSA XV15se nearfield
Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210 Center- PSA 110sr Surrounds
Denon X4200 - Oppo UDP-203 - Panamax M4300 - Direct TV - Apple TV - Xbox360
Hopinater is offline  
post #29098 of 32013 Old 10-07-2016, 10:18 PM
Member
 
jamiebosco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 39
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Liked: 21
Hi Guys
Wondering if I could get some input on possible upgrades to my Living Room HT
I have a thread here Help with upgrade choices with most of the relevant info


Essentially I want to know if I should add a PC-2000 (to my current 2 SVS PB-2000+PB12-NSD subs) OR should I sell the 2 SVS subs (probably taking a big loss on them) and upgrade to 2 PSA XS30SE's which are currently on special (I'm in Australia) I've never had sealed subs before and was wondering what I would gain/lose in this situation? I spoke briefly with Tom on chat the other day (difficult due to different time-zones) and he felt I would have around the same in 17-30hz range but LOTS more in the rest of the LFE range. $$$wise the PSA upgrade would probably set me back an additional $500-$700 over getting a PC-2000 (and upgrading my PC12-NSD to a PB-2000)


I'm currently happy with the SVS subs in general, but feel they can't quite keep up the MT-110's+MTM-210C. I've had the house to my self a few times in the last couple of weeks and have pushed the volume about 3-5dB louder than normal and the PB's appear to be at their limits with some of the movies (Enders Game, Interstellar, The Martian) If I did go the PC-2000 I would be corner loading it at the front of the room (which I guess would net me a few extra dB?) and getting a mini-DSP to time align with my other subs


Any input/suggestions would be greatly appreciated
cheers
Jamie
jamiebosco is offline  
post #29099 of 32013 Old 10-08-2016, 07:47 AM
Senior Member
 
Titan319's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: St Paul, Mn
Posts: 386
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 318 Post(s)
Liked: 113
[quote=jamiebosco;47330385]Hi Guys
Wondering if I could get some input on possible upgrades to my Living Room HT
I have a thread here Help with upgrade choices with most of the relevant info


Essentially I want to know if I should add a PC-2000 (to my current 2 SVS PB-2000+PB12-NSD subs) OR should I sell the 2 SVS subs (probably taking a big loss on them) and upgrade to 2 PSA XS30SE's which are currently on special (I'm in Australia) I've never had sealed subs before and was wondering what I would gain/lose in this situation? I spoke briefly with Tom on chat the other day (difficult due to different time-zones) and he felt I would have around the same in 17-30hz range but LOTS more in the rest of the LFE range. $$$wise the PSA upgrade would probably set me back an additional $500-$700 over getting a PC-2000 (and upgrading my PC12-NSD to a PB-2000)


I'm currently happy with the SVS subs in general, but feel they can't quite keep up the MT-110's+MTM-210C. I've had the house to my self a few times in the last couple of weeks and have pushed the volume about 3-5dB louder than normal and the PB's appear to be at their limits with some of the movies (Enders Game, Interstellar, The Martian) If I did go the PC-2000 I would be corner loading it at the front of the room (which I guess would net me a few extra dB?) and getting a mini-DSP to time align with my other subs


Any input/suggestions would be greatly appreciated
cheers
Jamie[/quote


The problem is you have a big room with efficient speakers which means you need multiple subwoofers with massive drivers and amplifiers to fill that space and keep up with the MT 110's so you have some headroom. If it was me i would sell your subs since you are reaching there max output and buy two V1500's or V1800's depending on your budget.

Last edited by Titan319; 10-08-2016 at 08:06 AM.
Titan319 is offline  
post #29100 of 32013 Old 10-08-2016, 08:05 AM
Senior Member
 
Sekosche's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 499
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 292 Post(s)
Liked: 540
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiebosco View Post
Hi Guys
Wondering if I could get some input on possible upgrades to my Living Room HT
I have a thread here Help with upgrade choices with most of the relevant info


Essentially I want to know if I should add a PC-2000 (to my current 2 SVS PB-2000+PB12-NSD subs) OR should I sell the 2 SVS subs (probably taking a big loss on them) and upgrade to 2 PSA XS30SE's which are currently on special (I'm in Australia) I've never had sealed subs before and was wondering what I would gain/lose in this situation? I spoke briefly with Tom on chat the other day (difficult due to different time-zones) and he felt I would have around the same in 17-30hz range but LOTS more in the rest of the LFE range. $$$wise the PSA upgrade would probably set me back an additional $500-$700 over getting a PC-2000 (and upgrading my PC12-NSD to a PB-2000)


I'm currently happy with the SVS subs in general, but feel they can't quite keep up the MT-110's+MTM-210C. I've had the house to my self a few times in the last couple of weeks and have pushed the volume about 3-5dB louder than normal and the PB's appear to be at their limits with some of the movies (Enders Game, Interstellar, The Martian) If I did go the PC-2000 I would be corner loading it at the front of the room (which I guess would net me a few extra dB?) and getting a mini-DSP to time align with my other subs


Any input/suggestions would be greatly appreciated
cheers
Jamie
Adding a third similar SVS sub will only net you 3dB more headroom, if perfectly integrated, and you'll still be lacking considerably in the low and mid bass, 30Hz and up, compared to a pair of XS30SE. Like Tom told you in chat, the subs will likely be similar below 30Hz, but a single xs30se has about 6dB more output on average across its operating band than a pc-2000 (per CEA 2010 figures), and up to 10dB more output above 30hz.

If you're in a 3,000 cu. ft. room per your link, I'd say going from ported to more powerful sealed subs will work, but don't expect much of an increase in the low bass. However, you should gain a ton of headroom and additional mid to upper bass slam. I think a couple XS30SE would be a great addition to keep up with your PSA speakers near reference.

In my opinion, having properly calibrated, matching PSA subs will be worth the extra time/cost of selling your current subs. For perspective, in my 5k^3ft room I run dual V1800 and an svs pc12+, and the mid bass slam is ridiculous on these PSA subs. I always found the svs subs to be a bit anemic and too restrained in the mid/upper bass. Maybe some others with sealed sub setups can chime in. Best of luck in your decision!
Sekosche is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers

Tags
Denon Avr 3313ci Receiver , Denon Avr 4520ci Receiver , Denon Avr X4000 7 2 Channel Home Theater Receiver , Power Sound Audio , Power Sound Audio Triax , Room Equilizer Wizard Rew , v1500 , V1800 , v1801 , V3600i , Velodyne Sms 1 In Room Bass Correction Kit With Included Microphone , Xs30 , Xv15
Gear in this thread



Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off