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lol. Folks are just hanging out. And leave them alone. These are the same folks who will be posting pics of the Triax biggrin.gif
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When did this become the Oxygen channel?

I thought it always was, now please answer my questions, LOL...........wink.gif

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Which would you get for a room approx 14x25, cathedral ceiling, open to upstairs landing behind listening area, total volume approx 5500 ft3; two XS30's or two XV15's ($665 less than XV30's)?

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Did you not read thru the last couple pages? We responded to your post...
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Did you not read thru the last couple pages? We responded to your post...

Doh!

Looks like I missed a page of discussion. I'll blame it on being ill the past few days and being on meds......yeah, that's it. biggrin.gif

Someone mentioned Tom recommending dual XV30's to me, but we haven't discussed that since they are simply too big. I was looking at a single XV30f to go with my existing SVS 16-46 PC+, but the conversation has progressed to just eliminating the SVS and going with a pair of PSA subs. Since I'm thinking the XV30f would just be too visually imposing (remember, this is in our living room) we're down the the shorter boxes. My latest thought would either be a pair of XV15's or a pair of XS30's as I indicated in my previous post. Tom is recommending the dual XS30's if I can stretch my budget that far (I had wanted to keep it around $1500 if possible). He said the output around the XV15's tune would be similar, but the XS30 would have an advantage below the XV15's tune and in the mid/upper bass.

The main issue I'm running into with either of these options is placement. Either would fit where my current sub resides (corner behind the left front speaker; right side in the photo), but the second sub will only fit in the corner to the left of the sofa (behind the chair in the left side of the photo).


Since I've never had a multi sub setup (I've only had a sub where it now resides) I have no idea if this placement would work well. Btw, a single sub in the current location works pretty well. Here's the response I'm getting now (1/6th smoothing, no EQ or room correction)


The two lines just show where I lowered the sub level a couple db to see the effect.

Considering the issue with placing a second sub, I did toy with the idea of putting an XS30 in the current sub location, then match it with an XS15 which is small enough to put on either side of the sofa or either side of the TV. I figured this would give me much more flexibility in getting the subs to work well together, but the cost would be lower output abilities (but perhaps still be enough??).

I had thought about just getting a single sub to replace mine since that corner seems to work well, but anything that would be a significant upgrade would be too big or too expensive (I did consider an SVS PC13 Ultra since it is the same size as mine, but I have a few concerns about it).

I've been bugging poor Tom so much with my "what about this combo" questions. Fortunately he has been very patient. biggrin.gif

My goal is to have more headroom/output without giving up the low bass extension I currently enjoy and better SQ.

Thanks guys. I'll try not to miss your responses this time. biggrin.gif

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When did this become the Oxygen channel?

LOL.... totally. I thought Beeman's post, and mine, were pushing the limits. That last post reminded me of being stuck on the Dr. Phil channel. lol...... TMI TMI tongue.gif

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And when the Feds get tired of killing our 401(k), she's good with us upgrading the subwoofers.

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Off hand, does anybody know what kind of output the XS30 has in the <15Hz range? According to posted manufacture's measurements, at -6dB, it's rated 11Hz.



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BeeMan, I seem to recall am email where I asked Tom a similar question. I think he said at around 12hz it was something like 98-99db. I'm sure Tom would weigh in f he reads this.

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Doh!

Looks like I missed a page of discussion. I'll blame it on being ill the past few days and being on meds......yeah, that's it. biggrin.gif

Someone mentioned Tom recommending dual XV30's to me, but we haven't discussed that since they are simply too big. I was looking at a single XV30f to go with my existing SVS 16-46 PC+, but the conversation has progressed to just eliminating the SVS and going with a pair of PSA subs. Since I'm thinking the XV30f would just be too visually imposing (remember, this is in our living room) we're down the the shorter boxes. My latest thought would either be a pair of XV15's or a pair of XS30's as I indicated in my previous post. Tom is recommending the dual XS30's if I can stretch my budget that far (I had wanted to keep it around $1500 if possible). He said the output around the XV15's tune would be similar, but the XS30 would have an advantage below the XV15's tune and in the mid/upper bass.

The main issue I'm running into with either of these options is placement. Either would fit where my current sub resides (corner behind the left front speaker; right side in the photo), but the second sub will only fit in the corner to the left of the sofa (behind the chair in the left side of the photo).


Since I've never had a multi sub setup (I've only had a sub where it now resides) I have no idea if this placement would work well. Btw, a single sub in the current location works pretty well. Here's the response I'm getting now (1/6th smoothing, no EQ or room correction)


The two lines just show where I lowered the sub level a couple db to see the effect.

Considering the issue with placing a second sub, I did toy with the idea of putting an XS30 in the current sub location, then match it with an XS15 which is small enough to put on either side of the sofa or either side of the TV. I figured this would give me much more flexibility in getting the subs to work well together, but the cost would be lower output abilities (but perhaps still be enough??).

I had thought about just getting a single sub to replace mine since that corner seems to work well, but anything that would be a significant upgrade would be too big or too expensive (I did consider an SVS PC13 Ultra since it is the same size as mine, but I have a few concerns about it).

I've been bugging poor Tom so much with my "what about this combo" questions. Fortunately he has been very patient. biggrin.gif

My goal is to have more headroom/output without giving up the low bass extension I currently enjoy and better SQ.

Thanks guys. I'll try not to miss your responses this time. biggrin.gif

Tom knows his products better than anyone save maybe Jim. I would go with what Tom recommends. If he thinks it will be enough for you room it probably will be. Two XS30's should be a very nice upgrade. The only single subs I think would fit the bill would be expensive (JTR, Seaton) and of course the PSA Triax.

I'm sure if you can make room for two subs you will more satisfied.

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Speaking of amplifier gain on the Triax, where do you think a good starting point would be there since this amp is different than the X amps. Mine are at 2-3 o'clock now. Thanks guys, keep up the good wife compatibility talk, my SO is really that, a very significant other person whom I have the pleasure of being married to and sharing my life with.
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Jeff I think it would be safe to say that 12o'clock position would be a good starting point.

I've mentioned this before, but my wife puts up with my AV hobby and also an expensive dirt bike hobby and all it cost me was a boob job!....lol
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Doh!

Looks like I missed a page of discussion. I'll blame it on being ill the past few days and being on meds......yeah, that's it. biggrin.gif

Someone mentioned Tom recommending dual XV30's to me, but we haven't discussed that since they are simply too big. I was looking at a single XV30f to go with my existing SVS 16-46 PC+, but the conversation has progressed to just eliminating the SVS and going with a pair of PSA subs. Since I'm thinking the XV30f would just be too visually imposing (remember, this is in our living room) we're down the the shorter boxes. My latest thought would either be a pair of XV15's or a pair of XS30's as I indicated in my previous post. Tom is recommending the dual XS30's if I can stretch my budget that far (I had wanted to keep it around $1500 if possible). He said the output around the XV15's tune would be similar, but the XS30 would have an advantage below the XV15's tune and in the mid/upper bass.

The main issue I'm running into with either of these options is placement. Either would fit where my current sub resides (corner behind the left front speaker; right side in the photo), but the second sub will only fit in the corner to the left of the sofa (behind the chair in the left side of the photo).


Since I've never had a multi sub setup (I've only had a sub where it now resides) I have no idea if this placement would work well. Btw, a single sub in the current location works pretty well. Here's the response I'm getting now (1/6th smoothing, no EQ or room correction)


The two lines just show where I lowered the sub level a couple db to see the effect.

Considering the issue with placing a second sub, I did toy with the idea of putting an XS30 in the current sub location, then match it with an XS15 which is small enough to put on either side of the sofa or either side of the TV. I figured this would give me much more flexibility in getting the subs to work well together, but the cost would be lower output abilities (but perhaps still be enough??).

I had thought about just getting a single sub to replace mine since that corner seems to work well, but anything that would be a significant upgrade would be too big or too expensive (I did consider an SVS PC13 Ultra since it is the same size as mine, but I have a few concerns about it).

I've been bugging poor Tom so much with my "what about this combo" questions. Fortunately he has been very patient. biggrin.gif

My goal is to have more headroom/output without giving up the low bass extension I currently enjoy and better SQ.

Thanks guys. I'll try not to miss your responses this time. biggrin.gif


So Tom said the xs30's would extend lower than the xv subs in that large room? I agree they would have more output below the xv15's port tune being it can get the room gain.
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Any plans on a veneer option for the XS15?
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hi,
i am wondering if it is possible to connect two sound bars to one digital audio out on the back of my tv using a digital audio out splitter? if so, is there any quality issues? thanks for any feedback. i am a rookie audio guy obviously..
or is there a better way?
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I seem to recall am email where I asked Tom a similar question. I think he said at around 12hz it was something like 98-99db. I'm sure Tom would weigh in f he reads this.

Thanks!

With the XS30, I can blend this with a Rythmik, E15 as for many reasons, I'm partial to front/rear firing and sealed design vs downward firing, ported subwoofer design and due to output levels, I'm partial to PSA subwoofers. Then enters niggles such as size of the box and a box's ability to blend with existing decor.

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Doh!

Looks like I missed a page of discussion. I'll blame it on being ill the past few days and being on meds......yeah, that's it. biggrin.gif

Someone mentioned Tom recommending dual XV30's to me, but we haven't discussed that since they are simply too big. I was looking at a single XV30f to go with my existing SVS 16-46 PC+, but the conversation has progressed to just eliminating the SVS and going with a pair of PSA subs. Since I'm thinking the XV30f would just be too visually imposing (remember, this is in our living room) we're down the the shorter boxes. My latest thought would either be a pair of XV15's or a pair of XS30's as I indicated in my previous post. Tom is recommending the dual XS30's if I can stretch my budget that far (I had wanted to keep it around $1500 if possible). He said the output around the XV15's tune would be similar, but the XS30 would have an advantage below the XV15's tune and in the mid/upper bass.

The main issue I'm running into with either of these options is placement. Either would fit where my current sub resides (corner behind the left front speaker; right side in the photo), but the second sub will only fit in the corner to the left of the sofa (behind the chair in the left side of the photo).


Since I've never had a multi sub setup (I've only had a sub where it now resides) I have no idea if this placement would work well. Btw, a single sub in the current location works pretty well. Here's the response I'm getting now (1/6th smoothing, no EQ or room correction)


The two lines just show where I lowered the sub level a couple db to see the effect.

Considering the issue with placing a second sub, I did toy with the idea of putting an XS30 in the current sub location, then match it with an XS15 which is small enough to put on either side of the sofa or either side of the TV. I figured this would give me much more flexibility in getting the subs to work well together, but the cost would be lower output abilities (but perhaps still be enough??).

I had thought about just getting a single sub to replace mine since that corner seems to work well, but anything that would be a significant upgrade would be too big or too expensive (I did consider an SVS PC13 Ultra since it is the same size as mine, but I have a few concerns about it).

I've been bugging poor Tom so much with my "what about this combo" questions. Fortunately he has been very patient. biggrin.gif

My goal is to have more headroom/output without giving up the low bass extension I currently enjoy and better SQ.

Thanks guys. I'll try not to miss your responses this time. biggrin.gif

just so we are clear (and not meant to sound like a d-bag) you have a pc 16-46 and you think an XV30F is imposing? biggrin.gif

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Thanks!

With the XS30, I can blend this with a Rythmik, E15 as for many reasons, I'm partial to front firing vs downward firing subwoofer design and due to output levels, I'm partial to PSA subwoofers. Then enters niggles such as size of the box and a box's ability to blend with existing decor.

Curious, how does front firing have any difference over downfiring as far as output levels?
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Curious, how does front firing have any difference over downfiring as far as output levels?

It doesn't have anything to do with output levels.

My comment regarding output levels has nothing to do with front firing vs downward firing. I'm guessing you misunderstood my comment as due to output capability, I favor PSA.

"...and due to output levels, I'm partial to PSA subwoofers."
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It doesn't have anything to do with output levels.

My comment regarding output levels has nothing to do with front firing vs downward firing. I'm guessing you misunderstood my comment as due to output capability, I favor PSA.

"...and due to output levels, I'm partial to PSA subwoofers."

Ah I see...Thx!
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hi,
i am wondering if it is possible to connect two sound bars to one digital audio out on the back of my tv using a digital audio out splitter? if so, is there any quality issues? thanks for any feedback. i am a rookie audio guy obviously..
or is there a better way?

Is it a Toslink digital plug (fiber optic)? if so you might be able to use one of these from Monoprice. The description says it splits one signal into 2, so its a unidirectional plug.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042301&p_id=966&seq=1&format=2

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Jeff I think it would be safe to say that 12o'clock position would be a good starting point.

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The big amps have their gain controls labeled 0 to -36dB. I'd start somewhere in the -12 to -16 range based on what we've noted in our listening sessions with different room sizes.

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Any plans on a veneer option for the XS15?

No definitive plans for that at the moment.

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So Tom said the xs30's would extend lower than the xv subs in that large room? I agree they would have more output below the xv15's port tune being it can get the room gain.


The DSP shaped roll off for the XV15 and XS30s are actually very similar down to the 17-19hz range. The XV15 begins a more rapid rolloff here as the port output will become out/phase.

I also believe that having four 15s in the room will "load" things a bit down low. It wouldn't surprise me to see 4-8dB of PVG by the mid teens.

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I would assume since its double the power of a cap with 3 15" drivers that have similar xmax, it should be very close. The captivator is bass reflex. My concern is a sealed sub, or even a pair, being able to generate enough room gain to extend deep. Most folks HT rooms are not 5500^3 so its hard for me to say. This would be a good time for Tom to step in and offer his expertise.

Really can't say with certainty as I can't reference any data on the jtrs. You can get some estimates using calculators but I'd just consider those "rough guesses". Once you get into the "super sub" territory splitting hairs on output at one frequency wouldn't be my primary concern. The aesthetics and their intended usage within different room decors are quite different for example. Also, like always, I would advise any potential customer to consider every aspect of the purchase----customer service(pre and post sales), warranty, styling/aesthetics,available finish options, intended application(s) etc. Based on the jtr customer comments and my own experiences with the Triax do a coin flip because the end user will be in "jaw drop" mode anyway..smile.gif

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Tom knows his products better than anyone save maybe Jim. I would go with what Tom recommends. If he thinks it will be enough for you room it probably will be. Two XS30's should be a very nice upgrade. The only single subs I think would fit the bill would be expensive (JTR, Seaton) and of course the PSA Triax.

I'm sure if you can make room for two subs you will more satisfied.

Tom was a great help when I bought my current SVS sub from him over 10 years ago and he continues to be today. Floor space is an issue however, so may have to go with a plan B which unfortunately would be less output, but certainly more than what I have now. I've certainly considered a single sub solution and the Seaton SubMersive certainly looks interesting, albiet a bit above my budget. However, I cannot find any test results for that sub and my PM's to Mr. Seaton have gone unanswered (Tom really spoils us with his fast response time!). I'd like to see some numbers so I can make a valid comparison.

There's also the opton to go with dual XV15's, although space for the second one is still an issue. It doesn't seem like I would be giving up much (I don't know that I would use the dual XS30's extra output in the mid/upper bass) plus I would save about $665; I could use part of that for a nice veneer finish. wink.gif

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So Tom said the xs30's would extend lower than the xv subs in that large room? I agree they would have more output below the xv15's port tune being it can get the room gain.

I sent Tom a video tour of my room, so I think he has a good idea of the entire space. Here's what he said about room gain in my room:
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just so we are clear (and not meant to sound like a d-bag) you have a pc 16-46 and you think an XV30F is imposing? biggrin.gif

LOL......no offense taken. wink.gif . I was waiting for someone to say something about this. biggrin.gif It isn't so much the height as it is the foot print and difference in the way a more slender cylinder form feels in the room compared to a larger box. Although the 16-46 isn't small by any means, it just fits nice into the corner without feeling like it taking up much space. I attribute this to the round design. A large, tall box in that spot would feel much more massive to me. I hope this makes sense. redface.gif

Thanks everyone for the responses. Getting this stuff out of my head for others to provide feedback is very helpful. smile.gif

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Tom was a great help when I bought my current SVS sub from him over 10 years ago and he continues to be today. Floor space is an issue however, so may have to go with a plan B which unfortunately would be less output, but certainly more than what I have now. I've certainly considered a single sub solution and the Seaton SubMersive certainly looks interesting, albiet a bit above my budget. However, I cannot find any test results for that sub and my PM's to Mr. Seaton have gone unanswered (Tom really spoils us with his fast response time!). I'd like to see some numbers so I can make a valid comparison.

There's also the opton to go with dual XV15's, although space for the second one is still an issue. It doesn't seem like I would be giving up much (I don't know that I would use the dual XS30's extra output in the mid/upper bass) plus I would save about $665; I could use part of that for a nice veneer finish. wink.gif
I sent Tom a video tour of my room, so I think he has a good idea of the entire space. Here's what he said about room gain in my room:

LOL......no offense taken. wink.gif . I was waiting for someone to say something about this. biggrin.gif It isn't so much the height as it is the foot print and difference in the way a more slender cylinder form feels in the room compared to a larger box. Although the 16-46 isn't small by any means, it just fits nice into the corner without feeling like it taking up much space. I attribute this to the round design. A large, tall box in that spot would feel much more massive to me. I hope this makes sense. redface.gif

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So the xs30's are not going to extend lower in that room? my xv15's extend to 15hz easily...the xs30 is larger than the xv15, which is why I am asking this since you said space is tight. Also that 16-46 svs sub is huge and ugly imo...a xv30f would look much better but thats jmo.
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So the xs30's are not going to extend lower in that room? my xv15's extend to 15hz easily...the xs30 is larger than the xv15, which is why I am asking this since you said space is tight. Also that 16-46 svs sub is huge and ugly imo...a xv30f would look much better but thats jmo.

I think I'm missing something...confused.gif My understanding is once we get much below the XV15's tuning frequency, the XS30 will have the advantage since the XV15 will drop off much quicker than the XS30. Tom indicated to me that in my room I can expect lower extension from the XS30. If I'm misunderstanding please correct me.

BTW, that's great to know your XV15's extend that low. Do I remember correctly you have two of them? As you can see in the graph I posted earlier, my 16-46 stays strong at the left end of the graph (15hz). The 16-46's native tune is about 16hz. I'd really like to keep that kind of extension if possible, albiet with more headroom than my 16-46. Do you think I'll get that from a pair of XV15's?

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If so, my appologies. I see now it's not clear, but what I should have said is that I don't think I would be giving up much in useful extension with the XV15's and that I'm not sure I would benefit from the additional headroom the XS30's would offer in the mid/upper bass.

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Amen!

The only thing that would make PSA's service better is if Tom would personally deliver the subs to my house and set them up for me! biggrin.gif

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