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The XV30 will have a 2.5dB to 3.5dB edge across the operating bandwidth(16-100hz Wv7Zu) compared to the XV15. Adding a second XV15 will give you about 6dB more if you co-locate them in the room. If you separate them....say one in each front corner of a medium sized room....the second unit will add more like 3.5 to 4dB(instead of 6dB).

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That being said just your primary room itself is 3800^3 which is a fairly good sized room. I dont think the XS15's will be enough of a upgrade. 3 XV15's would be since they will have a 4-6db advantage around the port tune which is huge. Or since you are really wanting sealed, 3 XS30's would do the trick. They would come really close to the XV15 around port tune and have more everywhere else...not to mention they would have enough power and displacement to dig down deep.

The main listening room is 3,300^3. It has two large openings, one into the kitchen with a pass through window and one into the hallway that opens into the dining room. I can't do three XS30s but can see my way to do either three XS15s or start with two XS15s and later adding a XS30.

I'm getting close to being able to buy so I was curious what yours or anybody elses thoughts are on the above.
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Due to extension issues, I'm wanting to go with sealed vs vented. Due to sealed not having the output of vented, I'm considering upping my game to include a single XS30 to compliment two XS15s. That will work out to four 15" drivers banging away in the main listening room as opposed to it's current compliment of three 12" drivers.
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The main listening room is 3,300^3. It has two large openings, one into the kitchen with a pass through window and one into the hallway that opens into the dining room. I can't do three XS30s but can see my way to do either three XS15s or start with two XS15s and later adding a XS30.

I'm getting close to being able to buy so I was curious what yours or anybody elses thoughts are on the above.
Due to extension issues, I'm wanting to go with sealed vs vented. Due to sealed not having the output of vented, I'm considering upping my game to include a single XS30 to compliment two XS15s. That will work out to four 15" drivers banging away in the main listening room as opposed to it's current compliment of three 12" drivers.

I think dual XS15's and a single XS30 should work...the only thing I see is you will be approaching the limits of the XS15's well before the 30. So the 15's will need to be calibrated lower then the 30.
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The main listening room is 3,300^3. It has two large openings, one into the kitchen with a pass through window and one into the hallway that opens into the dining room. I can't do three XS30s but can see my way to do either three XS15s or start with two XS15s and later adding a XS30.

I'm getting close to being able to buy so I was curious what yours or anybody elses thoughts are on the above.
Due to extension issues, I'm wanting to go with sealed vs vented. Due to sealed not having the output of vented, I'm considering upping my game to include a single XS30 to compliment two XS15s. That will work out to four 15" drivers banging away in the main listening room as opposed to it's current compliment of three 12" drivers.

BeeMan, why not start out with two XS30's?

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Basshead, have you had a chance to watch Pacific Rim yet in your room?

I watched in the other night with the wife and kids, holy crap that's a great bass movie. The XS30's were shacking the house pretty violently!...lol
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Beeman will sealed subs give you the SPL you want at the lower freqs??? I had always heard go with ported for large/open areas and sealed for small/sealed areas. From what I understand sealed subs only benefit greatly from room gain in a sealed room UNLESS you have enough sub and power to pressurize the entire open area. I'm thinking that 3 XS15s or 2 XS15s and an XS30 aren't enough to pressurize that whole area. I'm thinking some combo of XV15s and XV30s would be better suited to your situation. I know you said you can't do 4 subs but if you could do 2 XV30s up front and 2 XV15s near field I bet that would be sweet.

But I would talk to Tom and Jim I'm sure they will steer you in the right direction.

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Basshead, have you had a chance to watch Pacific Rim yet in your room?

I watched in the other night with the wife and kids, holy crap that's a great bass movie. The XS30's were shacking the house pretty violently!...lol

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Found a few images with the base:
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb402/chela313/basement/psa001.jpg

I have a few other photos in that album that show two XV-15s with bases in my home theater. I need to take more pics now that the room is finished and includes a third XV-15, sans base, in the back corner of the room.
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Looking forward to seeing your pics Jeff....I'm starting to kick the tires on replacing my current sub with the XS30....my number one goal is to get something comparable that would nicely match the finish of my mains and a sealed sub is preferred.. Another option would be to look into some custom builds which most certainly be more costly.


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Thanks Billy, that means a lot to me, I'm really scared with the hip surgery as I have to have the right one done also about five weeks after the left one. You will love the XS30 with the cordovan finish, should match your STs pretty closely. I finally got it down into my HT room with a friends help, I took the rubber feet off the base and he slid the sub down the carpeted stairs very carefully, 230 pounds of run away train biggrin.gif
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I think dual XS15's and a single XS30 should work...the only thing I see is you will be approaching the limits of the XS15's well before the 30. So the 15's will need to be calibrated lower then the 30.

I hate it when that happens. The room only has room for three placements and I'm pushing the third placement with the wife.

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BeeMan, why not start out with two XS30's?

It's a matter of budget and placement. Currently we have three, 12", vented (two with passive radiators) subwoofers. Everybody has said, don't bother trying to blend the two because the fight to blend vented with sealed will not be worth the effort so I would be trashing our current subwoofer sound reproduction system. I would love to start out with two XS30s and stack them but now I have issues smoothing the room modes and budgetary constraints. I'm sure you're right in your recommendation regarding buying two XS30s; suffering with one and later buying a second or third one.

The current solution that I see to our subwoofer upgrade conundrum, in the beginning, buy a pair of XS15s and later add a XS30.
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Dilemma. My wife has approved a 2nd XV30f for our 8k^3 living room. Tom has recommended going that route vs. the XV15 to be safe but man...that's a lot of huge speakerboxes on one wall (shared with Klipsch KG 5.5s).

I'm trying to convince myself that I won't regret eating up that much room with subs down the road (I know my inner bass enthusiast wants the 2nd XV30f..). Is anyone else running 2 XV30s in their main living area? If so, how has that been working out post-purchase?

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Beeman will sealed subs give you the SPL you want at the lower freqs??? I had always heard go with ported for large/open areas and sealed for small/sealed areas. From what I understand sealed subs only benefit greatly from room gain in a sealed room UNLESS you have enough sub and power to pressurize the entire open area. I'm thinking that 3 XS15s or 2 XS15s and an XS30 aren't enough to pressurize that whole area. I'm thinking some combo of XV15s and XV30s would be better suited to your situation. I know you said you can't do 4 subs but if you could do 2 XV30s up front and 2 XV15s near field I bet that would be sweet.

Yes, absolutely, a four subwoofer solution would be sweet.

Due to size constraints, the best we can do nearfield, is limited to one XS15. According to REW, the best room response is where our current subs are located and I would replace our current setup with a pair of XS15s. I would like to add a third XS15 in the nearfield location to help with the final REW graph niggle, a null around 40Hz, a few dB deeper than down 6dB, about a third of an octave wide. Currently we have two 12" subs stacked and a third 12" sub, six feet to the right of the stacked pair. I would like to replaced the stacked subs with a XS30. This would bring our total to three XS15's or two XS15s and one XS30. I would love to have a stacked pair of XS30s and two XS15s located in the other locations.

I want sealed subs for the lower response they provide. I would also like this upgrade to bring the response down to 12Hz from our current 20Hz. This will be our last subwoofer/AVR upgrade as the wife is giving me sideways glances like it's time to come home guy. So, due to normal budgetary constraints, I've hatched the above plan.

I'm hoping you guys can give me some insight on this dilemma as I've thought this over a hundred different ways and the above combinations is the best I've come up with; price/performance/aesthetics/WAF.

(i didn't want to give jim or tom a nuisance call and be a bother until I was ready to start buying as I know they're very busy with the Triax rollout and I'm not sure of the exact time frame before I can light this candle)

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Them things sound just as they look???

 

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Right. Lol what a coincidence. 

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I hate it when that happens. The room only has room for three placements and I'm pushing the third placement with the wife.
It's a matter of budget and placement. Currently we have three, 12", vented (two with passive radiators) subwoofers. Everybody has said, don't bother trying to blend the two because the fight to blend vented with sealed will not be worth the effort so I would be trashing our current subwoofer sound reproduction system. I would love to start out with two XS30s and stack them but now I have issues smoothing the room modes and budgetary constraints. I'm sure you're right in your recommendation regarding buying two XS30s; suffering with one and later buying a second or third one.

The current solution that I see to our subwoofer upgrade conundrum, in the beginning, buy a pair of XS15s and later add a XS30.

I thought you had 2 of the subs stacked? If thats the case then you are not utilizing the smoothing effect 3 can offer. I would start with dual XS30's like Jbrown said. If this is going to be your last subwoofer purchase then make it a good one. I have no doubt 3 XS15's would be a upgrade over your current klipsch subs, but if this is your last purchase, I would take it up another notch.
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Dilemma. My wife has approved a 2nd XV30f for our 8k^3 living room. Tom has recommended going that route vs. the XV15 to be safe but man...that's a lot of huge speakerboxes on one wall (shared with Klipsch KG 5.5s).

I'm trying to convince myself that I won't regret eating up that much room with subs down the road (I know my inner bass enthusiast wants the 2nd XV30f..). Is anyone else running 2 XV30s in their main living area? If so, how has that been working out post-purchase?

Several here had dual XV30's...some have liked them, others not so much. Not sure why the mixed results, but the XV15 seems to have a better repor. I am not saying to get a XV15, just throwing out an observation I have seen over the last 6mo. I think what it comes down to is the XV30 being so big it limits placement options and some folks have had trouble integrating duals due to that fact. I know the XV30f is a Tower, but I think most lay them on thier side because they are so tall.
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I need a subwoofer to fill 297 Square Feet Living Room.

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I need a subwoofer to fill 297 Square Feet Living Room.

You mean 2,970 sq ft rite? If not that be a small living room eek.gif

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Strangely, our room could easily handle a XV30f but I want the lower plumbing depths sealed subwoofers provide.

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I thought you had 2 of the subs stacked? If thats the case then you are not utilizing the smoothing effect 3 can offer.

Agreed. The reason I didn't spread them out was because I was short a 25' subwoofer cable. I have since acquired a 25' subwoofer cable but then Spring and Summer happened. That's outdoor yard time. When Fall slams down and the rains start, as you suggest, I'll break out the 25' cable and try out that final, untried, third location as all the other three-way locations that I tried, gave worse, not better results. I look forward to trying out the last untried, nearfield location.

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I would start with dual XS30's like Jbrown said. If this is going to be your last subwoofer purchase then make it a good one. I have no doubt 3 XS15's would be a upgrade over your current klipsch subs, but if this is your last purchase, I would take it up another notch.

Not trying to pander but again, I agree. As I posted, I'm up against budgetary constraints, aesthetics and room acoustics. The room is limited regarding size and placement issues. I only have room placement for a single or stacked XS30. The other two locations will fit a single XS15. I wish I didn't have all these inherent limitations.

Based on your warnings, how much trouble do you think I'll get into when mixing a single XS30 with a pair of XS15s?

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You mean 2,970 sq ft rite? If not that be a small living room eek.gif

Not really, a 10'x30' foot room would be 300 square feet so 297 isn't really that small.

I'm assuming if he meant he had a 2,970 square foot living room he'd be living in a small mansion wink.gif
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I need a subwoofer to fill 297 Square Feet Living Room.

So assuming you have either 8' or 9' ceilings your room is basically 2400-2700cu/ft.

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Not really, a 10'x30' foot room would be 300 square feet so 297 isn't really that small.

I'm assuming if he meant he had a 2,970 square foot living room he'd be living in a small mansion wink.gif

Sorry i was thinking cubic feet, my bad eek.gif

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Dilemma. My wife has approved a 2nd XV30f for our 8k^3 living room. Tom has recommended going that route vs. the XV15 to be safe but man...that's a lot of huge speakerboxes on one wall (shared with Klipsch KG 5.5s).

I'm trying to convince myself that I won't regret eating up that much room with subs down the road (I know my inner bass enthusiast wants the 2nd XV30f..). Is anyone else running 2 XV30s in their main living area? If so, how has that been working out post-purchase?
LOL, wife has approved. I would love my wife to tell me that I could not get another sub. My wife knows not to get involved in my speakers.

I had two XV-30's in my main living area, but I hid them in the front corners, you can see one behind my audio rack in my sig. I will be sliding the Triax's in the same spots. The Triax's are a little smaller and will work much better the corners. You do what you makes "You Happy" It will drive you nuts thinking about it.
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Hey Guys, I took some pics of my Cordovan Triax, pictures don't do it justice, the grain highlights are astounding, no flaws, everything is symetrical if you know what I mean. You really can't tell how nice these drivers are, the surrounds are thick and the woofers are just beggin to be pumping. 001.jpg 52k .jpg file
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Should have some impressions by tomorrow, I like the amp option for rooms up to 5000 cf and 5000 cf and up. It also has LEDs for monitoring status of the amp, clipping, over current, under current, wiring phase correct and not and so on, very sophisticated and simple as well. Power cord is a very robust design, balanced input supplied as well as adapter for unbalanced connection with RCA cable and double female ended RCA splicer, everything you need to blow your house up biggrin.gif

Billy, the Cordovan is a little darker than the pics, a couple of the ones I took closely match the true shade my friend, I've seen the STs and the Cordovan is pretty close, so go for it my man, XS30 waiting for you.
As far as the OP is concerned, I think you would be better served with dual XV15s rather than the 30s, just my opinion as I had them, my choice would be dual XS30s tho. .
Thanks guys for looking, more to come.............smile.gif
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PS...forgot to add that a stamp on the back of amp lets you know how inspected your sub, Jim did mine and told me how time consuming and difficult it was to put one of these beasts together......KUDOS to PSA, we got a lot more than we bargained for and I haven't even powered it up yet......eek.gif
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Strangely, our room could easily handle a XV30f but I want the lower plumbing depths sealed subwoofers provide.
Agreed. The reason I didn't spread them out was because I was short a 25' subwoofer cable. I have since acquired a 25' subwoofer cable but then Spring and Summer happened. That's outdoor yard time. When Fall slams down and the rains start, as you suggest, I'll break out the 25' cable and try out that final, untried, third location as all the other three-way locations that I tried, gave worse, not better results. I look forward to trying out the last untried, nearfield location.
Not trying to pander but again, I agree. As I posted, I'm up against budgetary constraints, aesthetics and room acoustics. The room is limited regarding size and placement issues. I only have room placement for a single or stacked XS30. The other two locations will fit a single XS15. I wish I didn't have all these inherent limitations.

Based on your warnings, how much trouble do you think I'll get into when mixing a single XS30 with a pair of XS15s?

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I don't think you will have any trouble with a single xs30 paired with dual xs15's....although the xs15's will reach their limits before the xs30. So I would keep that in mind. Possibly keep the xs15's closer to the LP and the xs30 further away.
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I don't think you will have any trouble with a single xs30 paired with dual xs15's....although the xs15's will reach their limits before the xs30. So I would keep that in mind. Possibly keep the xs15's closer to the LP and the xs30 further away.

I agree with that assumption, I also would like to state that I had two XV15s upfront and a XS30 nearfield behind seating position. wink.gif

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