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post #11821 of 13332 Old 05-29-2014, 06:56 PM
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Hey Merc, just curious, from your pic I noticed your mains are several inches back from your entertainment center, I mean the front baffles of your speakers are recessed in relation to the front of the ET center. Is that an illusion or am I crazy. Doesn't that affect the your dispersion pattern? You can tell me to go to Hello but I always thought the mains should be pulled out and in front of that ET center edge. I'm sorry this has nothing to do with your sub placement, I'm just a stickler for things, like I said it could be an illusion. Please no offense intended. Being in this hobby for a long time I was always taught to try and have nothing in between your mains if possible. In 99% of peoples homes this is impossible. I don't know why I'm rambling like this, sorry, like I said I'm not trying to tell you how to do anything, just noticed your mains behind the front edge of ET center. smile.gif
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trust me no problem-..

im constantly shifting and moving things. it's probably more of a aesthetic thing then anything else....

Aesthetically speaking, your place and setup is very attractive, everything is in place and looks good. I'm glad you didn't take my comment the wrong way. I'm never satisfied with things in my LR, I'm trying to have a stereo rig and combo Ht setup as well and that can be difficult to have dedicated HT and stereo rigs in the same space. tongue.gif
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Finally Got REW up and running with the CS UMIK-1.



That nasty dive bomb around 80 has me wondering if it has something to with my crossover being set to 80hz or is it just a null?

Overall how does it look to you guys. I think I know what i'm looking at and it looks like i'm pretty flat down to 13hz which is cool even though to get anything that low i'd have to really up the db.

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Finally Got REW up and running with the CS UMIK-1.



That nasty dive bomb around 80 has me wondering if it has something to with my crossover being set to 80hz or is it just a null?

Overall how does it look to you guys. I think I know what i'm looking at and it looks like i'm pretty flat down to 13hz which is cool even though to get anything that low i'd have to really up the db.

Fix your scale...45-105 dB and 10-200 Hz.  You should have 5 dB increments on the Y scale(dB)

I agree with Brian Fineberg..stick with no smoothing while trying to dial things in.  It will hide little nulls that you can fix with placement/phase/distance adjustments.  If you smooth them, you won't see them.

 

Looks great 0-60.....but yeah gotta fix that 60-100 null.  Time for duals............the reason to fix your scale is that the null is much worse than your graph makes it appear....almost 20 dB but the scale is making it look smaller.

 

Have you experimented with crossover to see if it affects the null....try 80,90,100, then also try setting the crossover on the sub itself along with the avr.

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That nasty dive bomb around 80 has me wondering if it has something to with my crossover being set to 80hz or is it just a null?

Overall how does it look to you guys. I think I know what i'm looking at and it looks like i'm pretty flat down to 13hz which is cool even though to get anything that low i'd have to really up the db.

Exactly as I suspected...you have a major null killing your mid-bass. The problem is sub placement in relation to the listening position. Either move the sub, lp, or add another sub to smooth out that null.
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I really don't think that's a null

That looks like it's the natural roll off of having an 80 x over

You are a candidate for the sub distance tweak. At your xover your sub and mains are slightly canceling each other out.

Bump up both subs by 1ft at a time and re measure. Up to 6 ft. If that doesn't work decrease the distance by 1 ft at a time. (MKe sure you write down the original distances to revert to)

Make sure you measure with REW after each change
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Just as what Brian said, more liklely the xover value. I would suggest a quick check you can do to determine whether this is the xover effect - increase the xover to a much higher value, say 150Hz and see whether that null value is moving. Could help you identify whether it is coming from xover or something else before doing additional tweaking.
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Exactly as I suspected...you have a major null killing your mid-bass. The problem is sub placement in relation to the listening position. Either move the sub, lp, or add another sub to smooth out that null.
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Finally Got REW up and running with the CS UMIK-1.

That nasty dive bomb around 80 has me wondering if it has something to with my crossover being set to 80hz or is it just a null?

Overall how does it look to you guys. I think I know what i'm looking at and it looks like i'm pretty flat down to 13hz which is cool even though to get anything that low i'd have to really up the db.
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My new subs have landed.. Thanks for the quick ship Tom.. Time to rush home set them up and hope the wife doesn't notice lol
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I got a quick question, If your Processor/ Receiver has Audyssey XT32 is there still a need to get involved with REW? or will Audyssey XT 32 auto correct all major flaws?

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I doubt that is a crossover issue entirely. The graph is scaled wrong. That small dip is 20 dB.

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I got a quick question, If your Processor/ Receiver has Audyssey XT32 is there still a need to get involved with REW? or will Audyssey XT 32 auto correct all major flaws?


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I really don't think that's a null

That looks like it's the natural roll off of having an 80 x over

You are a candidate for the sub distance tweak. At your xover your sub and mains are slightly canceling each other out.

Bump up both subs by 1ft at a time and re measure. Up to 6 ft. If that doesn't work decrease the distance by 1 ft at a time. (MKe sure you write down the original distances to revert to)

Make sure you measure with REW after each change

A natural roll off of having a 80hz crossover would not dip 20db and come back up then roll back off. The graph is not scaled correctly...look at it closely, its a 20db null from 65-95hz. That is a deep valley my friend. smile.gif

I do agree that tweaking the distance setting is worth a shot since this cancellation is happening around the cross over region.
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 Audysey cannot fix a 20 dB null. Only measuring and fixing placement can do that

I agree. REW can't fix it but it will let you know what you need to fix with proper placement. Without REW you may not even know what you're missing because you will never know you have a major null or void. 

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If the mains are canceling out the sub then it will 100% be 20db and maybe more. It depends on how narrow it is.

It's one of two things (IMHO and not a null)

1) canceling of the waves
2) the x over needs to go up to 90 or 100

But that is my hunch. I am probably wrong lol

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If the mains are canceling out the sub then it will 100% be 20db and maybe more. It depends on how narrow it is.

It's one of two things (IMHO and not a null)

1) canceling of the waves
2) the x over needs to go up to 90 or 100

But that is my hunch. I am probably wrong lol

That's what was happening with my setup. Adjusting the phase on the subs slightly, using a meter, may fill that null band and bring the phase cancellation down below the main's crossover point.

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You can also try setting the subwoofer xo at 80. This may help.smile.gif

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Ok.... first off apologize as i'm sure the forum is sick of looking at pics of my LR.... lol

anyhow-. XS15se's are in and all set-up.

as to break my wife in easy i'v choosen these spots for set-up.smile.gif one is hidden behind the chaire at the door. the other two spots she's already used too....... first thoughts. these are dinky compared to the 30's .... that said.. , the LR is now full of bass that's for sure- eek.gif

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Good job on "hiding" your new acquisitions....she'll hardly even notice!!

So, how's it sound????
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Ok.... first off apologize as i'm sure the forum is sick of looking at pics of my LR.... lol

anyhow-. XS15se's are in and all set-up.

as to break my wife in easy i'v choosen these spots for set-up.smile.gif one is hidden behind the chaire at the door. the other two spots she's already used too....... first thoughts. these are dinky compared to the 30's .... that said.. , the LR is now full of bass that's for sure- eek.gif

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By changing the XO in the AVR(MCACC) will I hve to run a recalibration at all?

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Nevermind.......
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By changing the XO in the AVR(MCACC) will I hve to run a recalibration at all?

Nope. But, if you change it on the sub(s) you should.
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By changing the XO in the AVR(MCACC) will I hve to run a recalibration at all?

No.

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If we do not hear from you tomorrow, would that mean she " found " them? lol.

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I got a quick question, If your Processor/ Receiver has Audyssey XT32 is there still a need to get involved with REW? or will Audyssey XT 32 auto correct all major flaws?[/quote

Audysey cannot fix a 20 dB null. Only measuring and fixing placement can do that

I thought that might be the answer, just wanted confirmation. Thanks for the info.

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Ya probably... lol


they sound like my house is gonna cave in-. remember my LR is only 20 x 17 with 8 feet ceilings. bass I love you defiently sounds better. i had some bottoming out on reference. now that could be the added subs or a better XT32 set-up. either way. nothing bottoms out. the bass seems to go so low and loud all rattling stops. if thats possible.. i now feel the bass inside my body. weird really and hard to explain. makes my body tingle. lol

i like the seperation of the 30 and 15 on the one side. seems to fill the room better. to my ear... with just the 30's my strongest bass came behind the door(corner spl meter). not so now. seems more spread out. I like.

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Ya probably... lol


they sound like my house is gonna cave in-. remember my LR is only 20 x 17 with 8 feet ceilings. bass I love you defiently sounds better. i had some bottoming out on reference. now that could be the added subs or a better XT32 set-up. either way. nothing bottoms out. the bass seems to go so low and loud all rattling stops. if thats possible.. i now feel the bass inside my body. weird really and hard to explain. makes my body tingle. lol

i like the seperation of the 30 and 15 on the one side. seems to fill the room better. to my ear... with just the 30's my strungest bass came behind the door(corner). not so now. seems more spread out. I like.

Congrats!!!!!! I bet they sound awesome. If / when she finds them just use the old saying " They had a special, buy one get the 2nd at half price".

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I have to say for anyone on the fence. I really love the texter of these subs. they can take a beating that's for sure-.smile.gif

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Congrats!!!!!! I bet they sound awesome. If / when she finds them just use the old saying " They had a special, buy one get the 2nd at half price".

it's her birthday weekend. lol

I should have asked Tom V to send along a mug. i could have served her wine in it when she gets home from work. now that would have been priceless.!!!!

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it's her birthday weekend. lol

I should have asked Tom V to send along a mug. i could have served her wine in it when she gets home from work. now that would have been priceless.!!!!

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