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Hey everyone!

I'm currently looking for a sub to round out my home theater system and I had my mind set on the Bic F12 or Bic V1220 as they seemed to be the best that I could get for my budget. I got an email with a promo code from Newegg, however, which lists the Energy S10.3 for $200. So now there is another sub in my price range and I don't know if I should grab the Energy while it's on sale.

Here's some information:

Room dimensions are 11'x12'x7'
Will be used for 90% movies/video games and 10% music
Looks aren't really a big deal as long as it's black-I'm looking for performance.

I'm a little wary of the Energy S10.3 as it has a 10" woofer vs. the Bic's 12" but it is also rated down to 21Hz while the F12 is 25Hz.

So what do you think? If they're both around the same price what would you recommend?

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Sorry to thread hijack, but I also saw this promo code for the Energy 10.3. My situation is slightly different. I currently have an Athena AS-P400, and I would like to get something that is similar, with a couple of caveats. I'd rather have few or no controls in the front, at least not something attractive for the kids to mess with. I'd like to eliminate the obvious light on the front, because I like to watch things in the dark, and I hate extraneous lights, even if they tell me something useful. And the price seems hard to beat.

Basically, I got tired of my kids messing with the sub, and booming me out of the room, so it is disconnected, and I have been looking for a while. I'd love to pick this up at a great price if this is a good deal. It seems like there is one knob on the front that is at least recessed. I see no light. Can someone confirm? I assume since the two brands are connected that they aught to blend relatively well, and that the Energy unit aught to be a higher-quality version of the same.

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Hey everyone!

I'm currently looking for a sub to round out my home theater system and I had my mind set on the Bic F12 or Bic V1220 as they seemed to be the best that I could get for my budget. I got an email with a promo code from Newegg, however, which lists the Energy S10.3 for $200. So now there is another sub in my price range and I don't know if I should grab the Energy while it's on sale.

Here's some information:

Room dimensions are 11'x12'x7'
Will be used for 90% movies/video games and 10% music
Looks aren't really a big deal as long as it's black-I'm looking for performance.

I'm a little wary of the Energy S10.3 as it has a 10" woofer vs. the Bic's 12" but it is also rated down to 21Hz while the F12 is 25Hz.

So what do you think? If they're both around the same price what would you recommend?

Thank you!

I'm in the same boat. I saw the sale and was wondering the same thing. I am stuck between the V1220, PSW505, and S10.3. I guess I am looking for whichever one drops below 180 oh and a decent warranty.

The F-12 might be best since you are watching mostly movies.
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Hey everyone!

I'm currently looking for a sub to round out my home theater system and I had my mind set on the Bic F12 or Bic V1220 as they seemed to be the best that I could get for my budget. I got an email with a promo code from Newegg, however, which lists the Energy S10.3 for $200. So now there is another sub in my price range and I don't know if I should grab the Energy while it's on sale.

Here's some information:

Room dimensions are 11'x12'x7'
Will be used for 90% movies/video games and 10% music
Looks aren't really a big deal as long as it's black-I'm looking for performance.

I'm a little wary of the Energy S10.3 as it has a 10" woofer vs. the Bic's 12" but it is also rated down to 21Hz while the F12 is 25Hz.

So what do you think? If they're both around the same price what would you recommend?

Thank you!

For your small room, the Energy sub will have plenty of output. Since it has better sound quality and should have better low frequency extension, it would be the best choice, IMHO. I have the Mirage Prestige S10, a model up from the S10.3 (Energy and Mirage have duplicate subs in their lines) that has similar output, and it does very well in a room that size. If you are still thinking the F12 even after that, it would be worth the jump to the PL-200 at $250 (you'll have to see if the promo code listed at slick deals still works).

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I just looked at your home theater thread, aaustin. Nice work! Since you are putting all that effort into building one, you might consider making the jump to the Emotiva Ultra 12 that is on closeout for $329. It's an Internet direct retailer sub that is in a whole different class from these other subs, arguably maybe as good in overall performance as that ASW1000 you were considering, except brand new with a five year warranty.

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Thanks Cel4145. That Emotiva looks really nice, but unfortunately it is more than my mother wants to spend and she is the boss

My budget is a maximum of $250 (preferably closer to $200) which is why I was interested in the Bics or Energy. If you had to choose between the Bic F12 or the Energy, which would it be? Or alternatively do you have a better recommendation in my price range?

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In your budget range, I would rule out the BIC F12 and go with either the BIC PL-200 at $250 or the Energy S10.3 at $200.

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Awesome. Cool. So the Energy is looking good. Do you think it would be better than the f12 for home theater use even though it has a 10 inch woofer vs. The bic's 12 inch?

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Awesome. Cool. So the Energy is looking good. Do you think it would be better than the f12 for home theater use even though it has a 10 inch woofer vs. The bic's 12 inch?

If you are still thinking about the F12, you should get the PL-200.

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I think right now it's between the Energy and the Bic F12. You think the Energy would be best? Or would the PL-200 be drastically better than both?

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I think right now it's between the Energy and the Bic F12. You think the Energy would be best? Or would the PL-200 be drastically better than both?

If I were buying, I'd have to think about it. But for $250, the PL-200 is a better choice than the F12. You are already buying in the low end budget sub range; don't go cheaper than you have to.

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If I were buying, I'd have to think about it. But for $250, the PL-200 is a better choice than the F12. You are already buying in the low end budget sub range; don't go cheaper than you have to.

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The Bic Pl200 at $250 shipped is an amazing deal and the lowest I have scene it priced
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Alright. So if I want to spend $200 on the sub then I will get the Energy over the Bic F12. But now the Bic PL-200 is also on the table. Is it worth extending the budget by $50 to get the PL-200 over the Energy S10.3?

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For a primarily HT/gaming system, I'd lean toward the PL-200. You might read through the PL-200 Owners Thread. That might help you with your decision.

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Thank you. I think at this point I am leaning towards the Energy S10.3 as it is within my original budget and I feel that it will perform very well in my small room. The sale is good for a few days so I am going to think about it a little longer before making a final decision.

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I can't say how well the Energy sub will perform, but I do have the Bic F12, and it's a great sub. You wouldn't be dissapointed with the F12, as it is great for movies, and can easily shake a small to mid-sized room. It's great for LFE, and while some say it isn't a very musical sub, it depends more on the type of music you're playing. It's musical downfall is simply it's relatively* slow responsiveness in fast firing bass tracks. But I listen to tons of music, and I've never stopped and though "wow, this sub is lacking", rather, I just sit there and enjoy the smooth bass flowing through the room.

To be honest, you should order both, test them out against each other, and return the lesser of the two. Only way to know what you want is to test out your options. From what I've heard though about the Energy sub, and from my personal experiences with the F12, you wouldn't be dissapointed with either.

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I have the Energy sub for a 2.1 music-only setup. Excellent sub for the price, especially for a secondary room I use. Tight and musical compared to other subs I've heard in the range.

I am sure it would have plenty of dynamic slam in a smaller room when volume is not jacked to the limit. Great value sub.
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Nice to hear that others like the Energy. I think I will be ordering it very soon.

Ordering both to hear them would be nice, but then I'd have to pay to ship a 40 pound sub back

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I have always heard good things about the Energy S10.3. Even before it only cost $200. I have not heard the BIC personally but I have heard others say it is what it is. It's a good sounding sub for $250 but thats about it. If it were my money, I would be purchasing the Energy.
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I've had the Energy s10.3 for 3-4 years now. There is a little blue led behind the front Energy logo but it went out within a week. That was a good thing because I was about to put electrical tape over the logo or disconnect the LED.

As far as performance it is a great and well built sub. You wont get the slam of a larger 12" sub or HT but the bass is tight and great for music as well as home theater. In your 11 x 12 room it'll have plenty of output!

I'd recommend it to others, good price at $199 too.

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Any word on how this two compare to each other
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Well as others have said they are both decent for the price. I personally will be getting the Energy s10.3 as I feel that it has the edge.

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I just ordered the Energy S10.3. I will report back here when it arrives with my opinion of it. I am very excited!

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I had seen the reviews mentioning the LED going out, which I would also be happy to see. LOL Still on the fence. If I knew that I could sell my AS-P400, I'd definitely bite just to have fewer controls exposed to the kids.
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I'm pretty sure the $200 deal is expired and it is now $250.

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Thanks to everyone in this thread,I ordered the energy s10.3 as well from newegg yesterday.

I previously had a mirage omni s8 and after 4yrs. the amp blew,so it was time to upgrade and for $200 for the s10.3 its a steal.I paid $370 for the mirage s8 back then and now I get more power for less money...Thanks guys for the tip and heads up..


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Ok so the Energy S10.3 came in the mail today. I must say that I am impressed with the build quality and craftsmanship. I am confused about the setup though. I connected it to my receiver (Onkyo TX-nr609) with an RCA cable out of the LFE jack. Set the mode on the sub to bypass and the phase to zero and the volume at 12 o'clock. I then ran the Audessey setup. The test tones went through for all speakers including the sub and when complete Audessey set the sub at -15db. That's the lowest the receiver will let you set it. When I played a movie as well as some music with heavy bass I hardly heard a thing. I manually adjusted it to around -7db where the bass was more pronounced. Am I doing something wrong with the Audessey setup or am I just not used to reference level bass? Thank you!

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Ok so the Energy S10.3 came in the mail today. I must say that I am impressed with the build quality and craftsmanship. I am confused about the setup though. I connected it to my receiver (Onkyo TX-nr609) with an RCA cable out of the LFE jack. Set the mode on the sub to bypass and the phase to zero and the volume at 12 o'clock. I then ran the Audessey setup. The test tones went through for all speakers including the sub and when complete Audessey set the sub at -15db. That's the lowest the receiver will let you set it. When I played a movie as well as some music with heavy bass I hardly heard a thing. I manually adjusted it to around -7db where the bass was more pronounced. Am I doing something wrong with the Audessey setup or am I just not used to reference level bass? Thank you!

Nope, your not doing anything wrong. I've always hated Audessey when it came to it setting the sub's trim. -15 is just absurd. Just keep on lowering it until you find a level in which you like the bass. Keep the volume on the actual subwoofer at about 9 to 10 O'clock.

Before you do all of that though, try running Audessey again with the sub's volume at 9 O'clock. I'm almost positive it won't yield the desired results so you will just have to manually adjust it.
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Ok so the Energy S10.3 came in the mail today. I must say that I am impressed with the build quality and craftsmanship. I am confused about the setup though. I connected it to my receiver (Onkyo TX-nr609) with an RCA cable out of the LFE jack. Set the mode on the sub to bypass and the phase to zero and the volume at 12 o'clock. I then ran the Audessey setup. The test tones went through for all speakers including the sub and when complete Audessey set the sub at -15db. That's the lowest the receiver will let you set it. When I played a movie as well as some music with heavy bass I hardly heard a thing. I manually adjusted it to around -7db where the bass was more pronounced. Am I doing something wrong with the Audessey setup or am I just not used to reference level bass? Thank you!

In case this helps, here's an Audessey guide on AVS to assist with sub configuration:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=14456895

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Most subs need to be set around 9 to 11 before the AVR does the adjustment. My Energy sub is set to 9 1/2 to 10 in my 2-1 setup and my SVS is set to a similar range in my home theater.

Make sure the phase is set to zero on the noon position. On my other sub, phase is an on.off switch, unlike the Energy. Make sure the Avr is directing LF to the sub.

The Energy does require a bit of breakin, but take off the cover and put your hand on the woofer. If you feel it pulsing, it's working. Turn the sub on and off to see if you can hear/feel the difference. And turn the volume up.

It should be noticeable, but not glaringly so at lower volumes.
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