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So I have have about $160 credit at Best Buy and would like to get a subwoofer. I can add in about $50 so the price can be about $200. My reciever is 7.1 and can power a sub. To save money I was thinking an unpowered sub would be good but dont really see them.

Other considerations - I know that meeting my price, store and other parameters might not be possible looking for the best compromise:

I big cube can pose a problem. Width and height of the box are not an issue but depth is.

It is a medium to small room but it is open- a stair case to a loft area, two large entry ways and a door to another room.

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You're confusing a sub pre-out as a separate amp channel. The pre-out can only send the signal to your sub. You will still need an amp for the sub if you get a passive sub.
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So I have have about $160 credit at Best Buy and would like to get a subwoofer. I can add in about $50 so the price can be about $200. My reciever is 7.1 and can power a sub. To save money I was thinking an unpowered sub would be good but dont really see them.

Other considerations - I know that meeting my price, store and other parameters might not be possible looking for the best compromise:

I big cube can pose a problem. Width and height of the box are not an issue but depth is.

It is a medium to small room but it is open- a stair case to a loft area, two large entry ways and a door to another room.

Thanks.

A $200 sub from BB unfortunately isn't going to get you much of anything good. All the subs I've seen at BB are mostly junk.

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A $200 sub from BB unfortunately isn't going to get you much of anything good. All the subs I've seen at BB are mostly junk.

I was just thinking that there is no sub that is a "best buy" at BestBuy.

If the credit is a gift card, better to sell it our save it for something else.

Also, "width and height of the box are not an issue but depth is" doesn't really help anyone to help you unless you say how much depth you have

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If you absolutely have to stick with best buy, the best you will do is this one:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Bic-Home...&skuId=4235056

The BIC F12 is regarded as a great sub for the price. It's only online, but you should be able to use your gift cards there as well. I owned two of them and for under $200 they perform great. You will most likely be happy for what you paid. I've since upgraded to a Hsu, but if I were to buy from best buy, I would choose a BIC over anything else outside of magnolia. Hope this helps.

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if they have the bic f12 at best buy, it would be the only one I would recommend out of what they have... even the magnolia hifi locations don't seem to carry that high end of stuff either.
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I am just going to throw this one out there for you. the pioneer SW8 Andrew Jones designed. Very tight and properly placed it should be way better than no sub. $150.00
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+1 for the BIC F12.

paired with Energy Micros and Onkyo 509 Audessy it sounds great.

I was actually shocked at how deep the sub sounds. For $187 shipped at Amazon I cant think of a better value
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I would agree. The BIC is your best bet. I was only thinking of the B&M stores and forgot about online.

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I am just going to throw this one out there for you. the pioneer SW8 Andrew Jones designed. Very tight and properly placed it should be way better than no sub. $150.00

Andrew jones didn't touch the subwoofer some said its just a remake of the energy 8" that came with the Takes Classic


Spent $30 more for the Bic f12 and you will be heavily rewarded
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I think I understand what a sub pre out is maybe I'm wrong. My 7.1 reciever, to my understanding, lets you use the the back speaker outputs to hook up a unpowered sub. There are a bunch of settings an the manual tells you how to do it. I'm I confused here.

Thank for the advice I will look into getting the f12 to fit into the room if an unpowered isnt an option.
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I think I understand what a sub pre out is maybe I'm wrong. My 7.1 reciever, to my understanding, lets you use the the back speaker outputs to hook up a unpowered sub.

If your receiver has powered speaker level line outs for a sub, then it is a HTIB receiver. It would be worth saving towards a better receiver in the future.

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I think I understand what a sub pre out is maybe I'm wrong. My 7.1 reciever, to my understanding, lets you use the the back speaker outputs to hook up a unpowered sub. There are a bunch of settings an the manual tells you how to do it. I'm I confused here.

Thank for the advice I will look into getting the f12 to fit into the room if an unpowered isnt an option.

It would be easier to tell us the make and model of your receiver. Then we can tell you what you have instead of guessing.

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I think I understand what a sub pre out is maybe I'm wrong. My 7.1 reciever, to my understanding, lets you use the the back speaker outputs to hook up a unpowered sub. There are a bunch of settings an the manual tells you how to do it. I'm I confused here.

Thank for the advice I will look into getting the f12 to fit into the room if an unpowered isnt an option.

He wants to connect a passive sub to the speaker outputs and pass the audio through the sub to the speakers... should not be a problem its just different than what most people do.

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do they still sell the Def Tech Supercubes? Those are decent if size is an issue but it'll be out of your budget. I know newegg has them for dirt right now.

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I think I understand what a sub pre out is maybe I'm wrong. My 7.1 reciever, to my understanding, lets you use the the back speaker outputs to hook up a unpowered sub. There are a bunch of settings an the manual tells you how to do it. I'm I confused here.

Thank for the advice I will look into getting the f12 to fit into the room if an unpowered isnt an option.

What's you receiver? Model number and brand?

Why the unpowered subwoofer? You are shooting yourself in foot with it
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He wants to connect a passive sub to the speaker outputs and pass the audio through the sub to the speakers... should not be a problem its just different than what most people do.

That's not how a passive subwoofer works. Passive subwoofers require their own amp/ subwoofer hookup with speaker jacks. They also don't output audio to the speakers

What you are referring to is when a person with an active subwoofer runs the speaker out wire to the in on the subwoofer amp and then out of the subwoofer amp to speakers
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Andrew jones didn't touch the subwoofer some said its just a remake of the energy 8" that came with the Takes Classic

He signed his name is on the back, so it must be true. I'm guessing it applies to assembling that whole Pioneer series which I see has gotten some good reviews. Isn't the woofer is different than the Energy (which is something I guess)?

Anyway I use the SW-8 in my home office with Audioengine A5s. It does a fine job for the $149 I paid for it. I'm waiting for an Outlaw M8 delivery next week. I'll play with the M8 and see how it compares. For the OP's Best Buy credit thingy the SW-8 is probably one of the best choices.

EDIT: Better for an inexpensive computer system set-up (SW-8) and the BIC is probably best for his needs now that I think about it.
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That's not how a passive subwoofer works. Passive subwoofers require their own amp/ subwoofer hookup with speaker jacks. They also don't output audio to the speakers

What you are referring to is when a person with an active subwoofer runs the speaker out wire to the in on the subwoofer amp and then out of the subwoofer amp to speakers

That is how the old passive subs worked. I had an old Cerwin Vega sub that used power from the receiver via the L/R speaker wires into the sub, and then speaker wire from the sub to the L/R speakers. The sub had an internal crossover but no external or internal amplification other than what it could get from the receiver.

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That is how the old passive subs worked.

No, not typically. Most passive subs were meant to run with external amplification. There are cheap passive subs that come with HTIB systems where the receiver has an extra set of powered speaker outputs for a matched sub.

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No, not typically. Most passive subs were meant to run with external amplification. There are cheap passive subs that come with HTIB systems where the receiver has an extra set of powered speaker outputs for a matched sub.

Yes thats how the cheap passive subwoofer work these days.,. It's also very rare to find a receiver that supports them.
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I am just going to throw this one out there for you. the pioneer SW8 Andrew Jones designed. Very tight and properly placed it should be way better than no sub. $150.00

Believe it or not I picked one up on a whim at Fred Meyer in The Dalles of all places (see you're from Ptld).
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