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How about 2 E110's vs Rythmik/ PSA?

With the PSA sub I assume you were referring to the XS30?

The FV15 is an absolutely beast, so it probably has very similar output capabilities compared to those of the XS30. Each will have their own strengths and weakness, but overall you can probably expect them to perform comparably.

Co-located, a pair of E112's should come pretty close to either of those, but in the end I suspect they would fall a bit short in total output and extension. Sound quality wise the JL Audio's are easily the equal to virtually anything out there, and indeed are better than most. If you choose to place them in different locations -- in order to even out any nulls -- then they would have an advantage over the other two, but then you would lose the benefit of co-location (which is where you gain additional output potential).

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For anyone who might be interested, I posted my review of the JL Audio E112. It can be accessed using this link.
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Thanks very much for your review. It was very detailed and well written. Thanks
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Thanks very much for your review. It was very detailed and well written. Thanks

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is e112 chest punching ??
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is e112 chest punching ??

It's definitely solid in the mid-bass, which is often what people consider 'chest punching', but it won't hold a candle to something like an FV15HP. It's targeted at a different audience.

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Sound and vision also just published a favourable review of the E110 in their magazine.
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Seem to be very few owners of the Esubs?

Anyone have any opinions on them ?

Im considering a pit of E112s vs a single F113 - also versus a Sub 1 - any thoughts?

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Seem to be very few owners of the Esubs?

That's because there are much better performers for the same price if you go with an ID company.

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Anyone have any opinions on them ?

Yes, they are very nice, but overpriced for the performance you get out of them.

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Im considering a pit of E112s vs a single F113 - also versus a Sub 1 - any thoughts?

If you absolutely have to go with JL then I would recommend multiple E112s and place them properly around the room for best frequency response.

I understand the benefits of the JLs. They are probably one of the best performers in their size and are absolutely gorgeous in the piano black, but if you are not bound by those limitations then you can do much better if you consider ID companies like Rythmik, Seaton, JTR, SVS, HSU, PSA, Funk Audio, etc. DIY will destroy the F113 (performance wise) at a tiny fraction of the cost.
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Seem to be very few owners of the Esubs?

Anyone have any opinions on them ?

Im considering a pit of E112s vs a single F113 - also versus a Sub 1 - any thoughts?

I'll be interested to hear what option you choose. I'm in the same boat with those exact 3 options. I've heard a F113 but not a E112 or Sub 1 yet. My local dealer plans on setting up a demo E sub soon. These options seem to give the best cost, WAF, output and SQ combination.
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It's definitely solid in the mid-bass, which is often what people conside'chest punching', but it won't hold a candle to something like an FV15HP. It's targeted at a different audience.

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I'm not Jim, but JL Audio subs are for the people who want the best performance out of a very compact form factor with WAF in mind IMO. They are excellent subs for their size. ID subs like the FV15HP by Rythmik are produced more with performance in mind and with less emphasis on compactness. DIY can reach the complete opposite end of the spectrum. You can build a sub the size of a refrigerator at a very relative small cost that will decimate the JL Audio subs (Gotham included). It's all about balancing your wants and needs.
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I'm not Jim, but JL Audio subs are for the people who want the best performance out of a very compact form factor with WAF in mind IMO. They are excellent subs for their size. ID subs like the FV15HP by Rythmik are produced more with performance in mind and with less emphasis on compactness. DIY can reach the complete opposite end of the spectrum. You can build a sub the size of a refrigerator at a very relative small cost that will decimate the JL Audio subs (Gotham included). It's all about balancing your wants and needs.

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I'm not Jim, but JL Audio subs are for the people who want the best performance out of a very compact form factor with WAF in mind IMO. They are excellent subs for their size. ID subs like the FV15HP by Rythmik are produced more with performance in mind and with less emphasis on compactness. DIY can reach the complete opposite end of the spectrum. You can build a sub the size of a refrigerator at a very relative small cost that will decimate the JL Audio subs (Gotham included). It's all about balancing your wants and needs.

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I don't think the JL's are as much of a compromise as some people think. I guess you can't argue with measurements but I went to 2-JL audio E112's from an SVS PB12-NSD/2 (which Ed Mullen had told me is close to the PB-13 ultra in output) and a PB-12 Plus and just don't really miss them all that much. I think the JL's sound great and for me don't seem to be giving up much compared to two top notch, well reviewed very large ported subs. My opinion and I am no expert by any means.
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They aren't a compromise, it's just JL Audio doesn't target the "best bang for the buck!" folks. Their customer is a different person is all.
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That's a great way to put it. Thanks
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Seem to be very few owners of the Esubs?

Anyone have any opinions on them ?

Im considering a pit of E112s vs a single F113 - also versus a Sub 1 - any thoughts?

I compared an e112 to an F113 in my home (very nice dealer let me take them home for 24 hours). I had them near the corner and then pulled them out of the corner a bit. F113 was on the bottom and the E113 was on top. They were both running off the same pre-amp - F was hooked up via XLR and E via RCA. I did the best I can to level match them using a hand held db meter.

My summary is very short and sweet: the E112 is stellar but the F113 is better yet. If money is an issue, I can tell you that you can get an E and you will be happy. If money is not an issue, then I would encourage you to listen to the F113. If you have space to put two subs in your place then I would strongly consider the E112 because you can get two for less than the price of one F113.
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Thanks for the replies guys smile.gif

I went on a detour via KK DXD 12012 and ended up buying a Sub 1 this week actually smile.gif

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For anyone who might be interested, I posted my review of the JL Audio E112. It can be accessed using this link.

I was fortunate enough to have the E112 and the F113 in my home for about 24 hours. Although I did not have the opportunity to test either of these to the extent that Jim did, I just wanted to say that my opinions of the E112 parallel those of Jim. He did a fabulous job describing and writing about it.

Thanks Jim for doing these reviews for us - they are very helpfu.
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I was fortunate enough to have the E112 and the F113 in my home for about 24 hours. Although I did not have the opportunity to test either of these to the extent that Jim did, I just wanted to say that my opinions of the E112 parallel those of Jim. He did a fabulous job describing and writing about it.

Thanks Jim for doing these reviews for us - they are very helpfu.

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Thanks to everyone who has been populating this thread (and this forum) -love that there are always people here having healthy discussions about everything HT-related.

I'm a lurker most of the time on these forums but pop on to post the odd opinion when I come across new gear.

My main listening room is 20 x 20 with 8' ceiling and space/placement options are limited which is why I need a sub that's on the smaller side.

I upgraded from a Definitive SC6000 to an e112 as as the Def Tech was having to run really hard to keep up with my loud music/HT/gaming habits.

The JL is exactly what I was looking for and integrates very cleanly with my Marantz SR7005/Monitor Audio RX6 setup after some extent of experimentation with Audyssey and x-overs.

Comparing it to the Deftech SC6000 isn't exactly a fair comparison as the JL is about twice the price. Still, I would say that the biggest differences are the 1) power of the JL which works effortlessly at volumes that strained the DefTech, 2) the precision of the JL -moving to a sealed sub from a passive radiator configuration (SC6000) may also be at play but it sound "tighter" and 3) the range of the JL which goes audibly quite a bit lower -hearing some sounds I didn't even know where there in certain FLAC recordings which is probably helped by its 12" driver vs the Definitive's 9" primary driver and dual 10" radiators.

It's abundantly evident that I could have gotten other (subjectively) comparable subs for less money but I went with the JL because of the build quality, size and reviews.
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Quick question regarding the ash finish. How is the quality of the finish? Are the edges glue in nicely (finish), no rough edges biggrin.gif? I have a gloss f113 for the main room, but might interested in the e110 sub for the office which is 13x15ft.
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I've only seen one e112 and one e110 in person. Both we're flawless when it came to aesthetics. From what I can see, JL's quality control is very thorough and they don't ship anything that's less than perfect. Being made in the USA also helps in that respect. Don't think you would be disappointed.
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I've only seen one e112 and one e110 in person. Both we're flawless when it came to aesthetics. From what I can see, JL's quality control is very thorough and they don't ship anything that's less than perfect. Being made in the USA also helps in that respect. Don't think you would be disappointed.

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Since the word "wood" does not appear in JL Audios information on the E-112 am I correct in assuming the Black Ash finish is vinyl?

Does anyone know what the black gloss finish is material-wise?

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Correct. The black ash is a vinyl finish (that looks like wood). The gloss black (aka "Piano Black") appears to be some sort of acrylic coating if I had to guess.
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