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I wouldn't feel right discussing price on the forum... I was under the impression that was a no-no.

Price discussion is ok as long as it is limited to MSRP (there are plenty of threads where people ask for sub recommendations within a price range and sub prices are mentioned) and furthermore the price refers to the product itself. I don't recall any rule against the price of shipping.

Anyway good tips on the unpacking. So you mean there is no foam layer between the S2 and the outer box?
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My S2 didn't come with a box. It was packed on a pallet, wrapped in plastic, with cardboard corners to protect the edges. I agree, this really sucked as I always like to have the original packaging for moving it or selling it. Did others receive a box? Either way it arrived in perfect shape and the performance makes up for the lack of packaging. I think I was one of the first couple of people to get the S2, maybe Jeff didn't have boxes made yet?
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Nothing between the box and the subwoofer inside except the sub is wrapped in plastic. I guess that provides some protection from the box rubbing against the sub's black textured finish, or whatever finish your sub comes with.

My sub arrived attached to a pallet also but it was in it's own box. I could not find a way to separate the box from the sub without cutting the box open at one of the corners. The fit is really tight and the plastic wrap kept the sub from sliding out of the box. If I needed a replacement box, I think Jeff could supply it for a nominal cost. Overall, packing is excellent.
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^^^ This is all interesting and it relates to the pro-audio lineage of the Caps. Jeff's tendency is to over-build/over-package. You should have seen the crossovers and coaxial/cd he just sent me. Took me 5 minutes to hack my way into the box tongue.gifcool.gif

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where do I go to order the S2? I can't find it on the jtr website.
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It is not on Jeff's main web page. It is in the forums. I ordered mine over the phone with Jeff.

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Is there anyone near Virginia Beach, VA that has either the Captivator, S2, Orbit Shifter, or Submersive HP? (Or all? smile.gif )

If one is going to make a simplistic assessment of the value of different alignments, it would be that sealed/IB goes the lowest, at the highest cost per dB; horns have the lowest cost per dB at the expense of size, and vented box characteristics lie in between the other two. None is inherently superior across the board, neither is any inherently inferior across the board. The one to use is the one that fits your response and output needs, available space and bank account. -BFM
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Same post as JTR forum...Just a quick note until I get more time to evaluate.
---Packaging and handling from Jeff to carrier was strapped in very secure.
---After carefully unboxing sub I placed it right on my Great Gramma platform then I put my Def Tech CLR 3000 speaker on top of sub with a cushion of 4 mopads.
---After hooking wires back up I ran the Audessey from my Denon 2808CI from 5 seating positions.  After calculating and storing settings I was ready for Scuba Steve's volume 2 disc.
---Initial impression was good but it seemed something was missing.  I called Jeff and he walked me through the Audessy settings. Some mistakes I corrected from Audessy:  changed my Def Tech main's from large to small, tweaked a little on the speakers levels(I like the center +1 over mains, rear and side surrounds +2 over mains).   I noticed the sub was -10.  On my old DIY sonotube(1000 watt tuned to 15hz) I was +2.5 on receiver and +1 on plate amp.  Jeff said I could bump up sub level to wereever I wanted it to...I ended up with -5 with Awesome Hit you directly in the chest bass.  This S2 has crushed my DIY sonotube!  Anybody interested locally (18707) in purchasing a  PE Titanic 15", 1000 watt sonotube?  Just message me!
---Watched the Hanna demo worthy scenes, watched demo worthy scenes from Iron Man 2.  Again I am in AWE of this monster!  My daughter commented that you could occasionally feel the bass on the old set-up, now you just feel the bass.  
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Just had my dual Cap S2's delivered on Friday and then I hosted a central Iowa HT Crawl. Lots of reviews and pics will be posted on this thread I'm sure.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3300
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Turn that s2 up 10 more db to +5 just for fun so you can learn how incredibly capable it is. Your just getting started! wink.gif

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Just had my dual Cap S2's delivered on Friday and then I hosted a central Iowa HT Crawl. Lots of reviews and pics will be posted on this thread I'm sure.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3300

This sub is on my radar at the moment for my next purchase.

Will be following the thread with great interest.

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Hi Everybody,

I'm considering purchasing a Captivator S2. I'm also looking at a Submersive HP.

It seems people who've compared the two think the S2 is tight and accurate for music (which the Submersive HP is known for), but that it also has more output due to the larger drivers, for things like home theater. Is that a pretty accurate summation?

The sub will have two purposes: monitoring for bass heavy electronic music production, and home theater.

Let me know what you think, thanks!
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I was in a similar situation recently and ended up buying a S2. It's a killer sub and I am quite happy about my decision.

A single S2 have 2x output as compared to S1, which competed head to head in recent blind tests against Submersive HP (see KC blind subwoofer shoot out thread from earlier this year). So getting a sub that is roughly equal to dual submersive HPs (co-located) for slightly more than a single Submersive was a no brainer to me.
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I was in a similar situation recently and ended up buying a S2. It's a killer sub and I am quite happy about my decision.
A single S2 have 2x output as compared to S1, which competed head to head in recent blind tests against Submersive HP (see KC blind subwoofer shoot out thread from earlier this year). So getting a sub that is roughly equal to dual submersive HPs (co-located) for slightly more than a single Submersive was a no brainer to me.

I dont think that 2x18 is roughly equal to 4x15:

2 x 18 = 3283 cm2

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4 x 15 = 4560 cm2


tha gap is 1277 cm2 or +38,89% in favor of 4 x 15 drivers smile.gif
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Well, there are a lot more factors involved here. With your logic an Epik Empire would by equal to a submersive if it gets a beefier amp smile.gif

And with a single 18 inch driver a ported cap or OS would never produce the kind of output they do.
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I dont think that 2x18 is roughly equal to 4x15:
2 x 18 = 3283 cm2
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4 x 15 = 4560 cm2
tha gap is 1277 cm2 or +38,89% in favor of 4 x 15 drivers smile.gif

For a sealed sub, maximum output capability is dependent on displacement. Displacement is a product of both driver area and xmax. The Captivator drivers are likely to have greater xmax than the Submersive drivers in addition to having greater area. The S2 also has 4000 watts compared with the Submersive's 2400.
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logicators, how do you feel the S2 performs for music? Earlier in the thread someone said it was accurate when listening to music.
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I have my S2 in place, but not connected yet. I will get it set up in the next day or two and will report back how it does for music. That will be my only option for a while, since I will not be buying my projector until next month.
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logicators, how do you feel the S2 performs for music? Earlier in the thread someone said it was accurate when listening to music.

My primary usage is movies but based on my limited music listening (I received the sub earlier this month), I can say that it's extremely clean sounding and accurate.

See this thread if you have not done that already:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1387178/archaeas-kansas-city-blind-subwoofer-shootout-2012
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Cool, thanks for the responses guys!

Jedirun I look forward to reading your review since I'll probably be ordering something next week. Gotta spend $3,000 and get the 40,000 travel points with the new Chase Sapphire preferred card. A sub is the right way to do it! wink.gif

logicators thanks for your opinion on that. I looked at the thread, but the S2 wasn't tested in that shootout. It looks like for music the Submersive HP came out over the Captivator S, but earlier in this thread somebody said the S2 is more accurate than the "S", and can get way louder than the Submersive HP.
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Cap S1 and S2 sound similar to each other but S2 goes deeper and plays louder.

If you look that thread closely and read detailed comments you will see that for music some people confused Cap S with submersive and the final results on music are really close (4 out of 8 people assigned equal score to both subs).

In fairness, if you can afford to buy 2 subs, dual submersives or dual S1s will provide smoother response.

But if you are buying a single sub S2 is a better value and should perform better than a single submersive or S1.
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What do you think about dual S2s vs dual Submersive HPs? Have you heard a dual setup like that?

I'm only going to get 1 right now, whatever I get...but maybe I can add something in the future, if I'm itching to do so wink.gif
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Cap S1 and S2 sound similar to each other but S2 goes deeper and plays louder.

That makes no sense. Why would the S2 go deeper than the S1? Of course it will play louder with two drivers and 1600 more watts, but other than that, the performance should be identical.
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That makes no sense. Why would the S2 go deeper than the S1? Of course it will play louder with two drivers and 1600 more watts, but other than that, the performance should be identical.

You are right Mike.
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What do you think about dual S2s vs dual Submersive HPs? Have you heard a dual setup like that?

I'm only going to get 1 right now, whatever I get...but maybe I can add something in the future, if I'm itching to do so wink.gif

I personally did not hear such a setup but can't imagine it would be anything less than amazing. There are people on these forums with 2 and even 4 S2s. Now that is crazy!
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What do you think about dual S2s vs dual Submersive HPs? Have you heard a dual setup like that?

I'm only going to get 1 right now, whatever I get...but maybe I can add something in the future, if I'm itching to do so wink.gif

I personally did not hear such a setup but can't imagine it would be anything less than amazing. There are people on these forums with 2 and even 4 S2s. Now that is crazy!

It depends on how big your room is.

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It depends on how big your room is.

True, but don't underestimate the "I WANT IT" factor rolleyes.gif
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I was in a similar situation recently and ended up buying a S2. It's a killer sub and I am quite happy about my decision.
A single S2 have 2x output as compared to S1, which competed head to head in recent blind tests against Submersive HP (see KC blind subwoofer shoot out thread from earlier this year). So getting a sub that is roughly equal to dual submersive HPs (co-located) for slightly more than a single Submersive was a no brainer to me.

I dont think that 2x18 is roughly equal to 4x15:

2 x 18 = 3283 cm2
vs
4 x 15 = 4560 cm2

tha gap is 1277 cm2 or +38,89% in favor of 4 x 15 drivers smile.gif
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Well, there are a lot more factors involved here. With your logic an Epik Empire would by equal to a submersive if it gets a beefier amp smile.gif

And with a single 18 inch driver a ported cap or OS would never produce the kind of output they do.
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I dont think that 2x18 is roughly equal to 4x15:
2 x 18 = 3283 cm2
vs
4 x 15 = 4560 cm2
tha gap is 1277 cm2 or +38,89% in favor of 4 x 15 drivers smile.gif

For a sealed sub, maximum output capability is dependent on displacement. Displacement is a product of both driver area and xmax. The Captivator drivers are likely to have greater xmax than the Submersive drivers in addition to having greater area. The S2 also has 4000 watts compared with the Submersive's 2400.

While there's no question the pair of 18" drivers could move more air than a pair of 15", for sealed subwoofers the box size(volume) matters in allowing any additional potential to be realized. The smaller the box, the more power you need, and the stiffer the driver, the more power you need in the same size box. The S2 is only 25% larger than the SubMersive, and the SubMersive's woofers are more efficient at low frequencies. That leaves the S1 with the same power amp, stiffer driver, and only 63% the box volume. I would argue the delta from SubMersive HP to S2 should not be expected to be 2x.

When looking at the KC blind comparison, I could also point to the fact that the Orbit Shifter was not perceived to be any stronger than the SubMersive, so it must have comparable output, right? rolleyes.gif The response curves Audyssey created when being re-run for each set of subs made for a significant part of what was compared, and we did not push the subs. The subs either could hang at the volume which was selected for every one to be played back at or they couldn't. The listening confirmed meeting a threshold, but in no way determined maximum capabilities. This was very clearly demonstrated when Jeff was allowed to later crank up the pair of Orbit Shifters. eek.gif

Back to the fun of want/need... wink.gif

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Thanks Mark. As always, we all appreciate your thoughtful comments. You and Jeff make amazing products and we are fortunate to have you on this forum.

So when is Submersive XL coming out? The S2 could use some healthy competition.

No pressure, though smile.gif
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