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I know you guys about hate these kinda questions, but:

I have a 20 by 30 room and 9 foot 'tray' ceiling.
! end of room of kinda open with stair case so I know this will never be a perfect ht setup.

Speakers are paradigm smalls for front and center.
THX Sonance in ceilings for surround and back surrounds.
I am using a Pioneer SC-55 receiver.

Current sub is a old mirage bpsi-150, which I guess is dying. I have about 10 years. It doesn't produce much sound, and doesn't seem to kick on very often.

Limitations:
First, years ago when I had somebody do the sonance speakers, and other wiring, I had him run a cable for subwoofer under house and connect to 2 wall plates. On receiver side, I plug short subwoofer cable to receiever and on subwoofer side, short cable to subwoofer.
- i always wondered if caused issues. Any good way to test?

Second, size is a factor. I basically stick the subwoofer behind a chair and wife would kill to go much bigger than 20 x 20 x 20, which is why I think I need sealed. I can go a bit bigger, but not much.


Budget, I started looking around $600, but could slide to around $1200.
Cannot, use more than one sub ( see wife killing me part).

If wireless would be better than my current setup, I have no problem going that route.

Any recommendations are very appreciated!
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I know you guys about hate these kinda questions, but:

I have a 20 by 30 room and 9 foot 'tray' ceiling.
! end of room of kinda open with stair case so I know this will never be a perfect ht setup.

Speakers are paradigm smalls for front and center.
THX Sonance in ceilings for surround and back surrounds.
I am using a Pioneer SC-55 receiver.

Current sub is a old mirage bpsi-150, which I guess is dying. I have about 10 years. It doesn't produce much sound, and doesn't seem to kick on very often.

Limitations:
First, years ago when I had somebody do the sonance speakers, and other wiring, I had him run a cable for subwoofer under house and connect to 2 wall plates. On receiver side, I plug short subwoofer cable to receiever and on subwoofer side, short cable to subwoofer.
- i always wondered if caused issues. Any good way to test?

Second, size is a factor. I basically stick the subwoofer behind a chair and wife would kill to go much bigger than 20 x 20 x 20, which is why I think I need sealed. I can go a bit bigger, but not much.

Budget, I started looking around $600, but could slide to around $1200.
Cannot, use more than one sub ( see wife killing me part).

If wireless would be better than my current setup, I have no problem going that route.

Any recommendations are very appreciated!

I would look at the Epik Empire, and Rythmik 15V, and CHT subs.
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I would look at the Epik Empire, and Rythmik 15V, and CHT subs.

+1 on the Empire. I don't know exactly what small speakers you have but you can cross over the Empire as high as you need to.

To see if your existing connection has an issue, all I can think of is to leave your sub where it is and get an RCA cable and connect it to your receiver directly and see if there is any difference from your in wall connection.
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sealed sub for large room ...

I have a 20 by 30 room and 9 foot 'tray' ceiling.

... size is a factor. I basically stick the subwoofer behind a chair and wife would kill to go much bigger than 20 x 20 x 20, which is why I think I need sealed. I can go a bit bigger, but not much.

Budget, I started looking around $600, but could slide to around $1200.
Cannot, use more than one sub ...

That's a big room, and a suggested-size single sealed sub (sorry, I couldn't resist ) priced at $1,200 or less may be overwhelmed by it. That being said, potential options include:
- SVS SB13-Plus
- Rythmik F15HP
- Epik Empire
- ChaseHT SS-18.1
- a gently-used Paradigm Servo-15 v2
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Although bigger than your footprint, hidden behind a chair the HSU VTF-15H could fit the bill.
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I have a room that is 18' X 24' X 11.5' high and use a Paradigm reference seismic 110 powered sub and it really packs a punch. It is at the high end of your budget but has huge WAF. The sub is 800watts RMS 1750 peak. Exterior measurements are approx 12" X 12" X 12"

There is a picture of it in my HT set-up
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Epik Empire and HSU VTF-15H are going to be too big, i believe.
The depth is biggest issue.

What is the current opinion of the ULS-15.
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Check out the ED A7S-450. These are built to order and they can adjust the cabinet dimensions to some extent. It would have more output than the ULS, especially in the mid bass area. You have a large room for a single sealed sub so I'd go as large as you can.
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Also check the Rythmik E15. It is the compact 15" 'HP' sub. I chose it for size limitations as well. It bangs in my open floor plan home.
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Also check the Rythmik E15. It is the compact 15" 'HP' sub. I chose it for size limitations as well. It bangs in my open floor plan home.

+1. The smaller size of the E15 has allowed me to add a 2nd one without a massive footprint(s). Excellent sub.

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Old 02-05-2012, 05:46 AM - Thread Starter
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Great feedback, thanks folks.

I guess it is between the E15 and ULS-15.
I no longer have a dealer for Paradigm in town so Seismic 110 is probably out.

For the E15 owners on this thread, did you consider the ULS-15?
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For the E15 owners on this thread, did you consider the ULS-15?

I don't own either but I would say they are comparable enough (based on my research when I was shopping). I've heard enough other Hsu and Rythmik subs to know they all sound good

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HSU comes with wireless built in, I believe, but I've seen mixed reviews on the wireless performance. I haven't seen anyone with anything really negative about a ULS-15, other than maybe the effectiveness of the wireless.
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Hopefully it will be placed near-field, because none of these subs could adequately pressurize a room like that on their own. A single sealed 15" is not going to give you huge output in that room, but it may still sound nice with the correct placement.
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4 is the magic number. I have to say in any room, especially if you have a large seating area.

Mid wall placement gave me a smooth response so i have to sing its praise. There is corner placement of all four, or the Geddes method of one corner placement and two others where they give the best reponse.

I would suggest 4 modest price would best one major sub. Hope you have the room...KG
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I know my room is always going to be limited.
I need to start with 1 and replace the mirage cause I got next to nothing right now even sitting on top of it.
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I know my room is always going to be limited.
I need to start with 1 and replace the mirage cause I got next to nothing right now even sitting on top of it.

Then get the biggest you can for your money and get the wife to ease up on the dimensions or single subwoofer requirement. Large spaces need high output, larger subs, or at least more than one subwoofer. In that sized room I'd skip sealed and go with the Rythmim FV15HP. One sealed sub will be underwhelming, unless maybe it uses a LMS5400 18.

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Lets bottom line your budget, then , number of subs. I wouldnt worry about hitting it out of the park, plan on more than one and scale back the size. I would rather see a bunch of smaller subs giving you seat to seat smoothness...... There is no reason small sealed subs wont get the job done. You would probably have an easier time selling smaller sealed units...

Btw, are you building or buying ? If you are DIYing, designs are endless. if you are buying, a little bit more shopping and less flexability.

Go with a nice sealed 15 behind the chair, then smaller units later to smooth out the room, like a cople of sealed 12's

DIY or Buy ?
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Buy.
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Based on the feedback you've received, can you get the wife to agree to multiple subwoofers or at least one large ported subwoofer, such as the SVS PB13 Ultra or Rythmik FV15HP? 5440 cu. ft. is a large space to fill with bass...just saying.

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^^^^ multiples is such a hard sell. My room is dedicated, but i do understand your situation.
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This was all very helpful. Again, I am concluded that e15 and uls-15 are about the same. In addition, based on reviews of those subs, they seem to have goals as my 10 year old mirage bps. I like the tight, quick, 'musical' bass and very limited on space.

I am probably oversimplying things, but as others said you can't go wrong with either (overpay, a bit, maybe).

I pulled the trigger on the uls-15. I have no access to any of these subs, but I like the look and built-in wireless.

I will provide an update when it arrives next week. If it completely lost in my room, I will just eat some cost and send it back.

Thanks again.
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Nice looking driver. i like sealed subs. Let us know how it works out....
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Well, the ULS-15 arrived today.
I am very pleased so far. Listen to some music and some movie scenes and already I know that is a whole new ball game.

To recap, I have been using a mirage bps-150 for about 10 years, I think. I picked it way back for the tight bass. The last few years not only has the sound quality, and output upset me, but the thing didn't always turn on.

Interesting, the day I ordered the uls-15, the bps-150 worked (came on at least) for about 4 days, but that didn't last.

I reran MCACC , which I know doesn't touch sub, but:
The uls-15 makes the whole setup sound totally different and it goes way lower than my room has ever heard. 1 sub well do me just fine for a while.

Thanks again for all the help
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Interesting, the day I ordered the uls-15, the bps-150 worked (came on at least) for about 4 days, but that didn't last.

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