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The title pretty much says it all. This unit is over $700 but appears to have lots of features, not the least of which is the capability to EQ 2 subs. Here is the link:

http://verkkokauppa.planeetta.net/ep...MDualCore-0001

I would love to try one...
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The title pretty much says it all. This unit is over $700 but appears to have lots of features, not the least of which is the capability to EQ 2 subs. Here is the link:

http://verkkokauppa.planeetta.net/ep...MDualCore-0001

I would love to try one...

I am sure we will all find out after the product ships.

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The title pretty much says it all. This unit is over $700 but appears to have lots of features, not the least of which is the capability to EQ 2 subs. Here is the link:

http://verkkokauppa.planeetta.net/ep...MDualCore-0001

I would love to try one...

Looks like a cheaper alternative to Audyssey XT32. Hopefully it goes below 40Hz for the speakers. I have large fronts that are capable of going down to 30Hz and I like to use them for music without a sub. But I cant EQ them below 40Hz using Audyssey MultEQ XT on my Denon 3310. I would presume this 40Hz is the limit on other AVRs as well.

BTW where does it say $700. I see some 711 Euros and there is tax. There is a price with tax of 875 euros and there is a bulk discount of 649 euros. Very confusing.

Wish they had a web site/distributor for US
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The tax is a VAT and it should be removed when you place your order (at least it is when I order stuff from Amazon overseas).

There is a US distributor for the Anti-mode 8033--I bought one from one of their reps at the Montreal Audio Show (Salon Son et Image) last year (at a good discount, too). They should be carrying this new device as well when it is available.
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I am sure we will all find out after the product ships.

Hi Kal, always good to hear from you. I was asking based on the fairly lengthy description.

I hope you can get one to test for Stereophile as your feedback is always very welcome.

Hopefully, the Dual Core will ship in 1Q2012 as indicated on the web site.
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Wish they had a web site/distributor for US

You can also get them from TweekGeek and TheCableCompany.

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I ordered one on the early buy in for around 800 and they will sell for 1200 starting when they ship (end of March). AS for the Anti Mode 8033S, I have 2 of them for 2 sets of dual subwoofers. I do like them better then the Audyssey sub EQ's and the SMS-1 and I have tried them all.
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I ordered one on the early buy in for around 800 and they will sell for 1200 starting when they ship (end of March). AS for the Anti Mode 8033S, I have 2 of them for 2 sets of dual subwoofers. I do like them better then the Audyssey sub EQ's and the SMS-1 and I have tried them all.

You like the Anti-mode better than Audyssey XT32?
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The title pretty much says it all. This unit is over $700 but appears to have lots of features, not the least of which is the capability to EQ 2 subs. Here is the link:

http://verkkokauppa.planeetta.net/ep...MDualCore-0001

I would love to try one...

I love my Anti-Mode 8033C, so this one should be a great unit as well.
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I ordered one on the early buy in for around 800 and they will sell for 1200 starting when they ship (end of March). AS for the Anti Mode 8033S, I have 2 of them for 2 sets of dual subwoofers. I do like them better then the Audyssey sub EQ's and the SMS-1 and I have tried them all.

Does the AntiMode measure better than Audyssey & the SMS-1 for you?

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The dual core will offer the user more options than Audyssey.
Custom filters, crossover, XLR connectivity etc.
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You can also get them from TweekGeek and TheCableCompany.

I wish I knew about tweekgeek sooner. They are much less expensive over what Simplfi charges for the 8033.
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I ordered one on the early buy in for around 800 and they will sell for 1200 starting when they ship (end of March). AS for the Anti Mode 8033S, I have 2 of them for 2 sets of dual subwoofers. I do like them better then the Audyssey sub EQ's and the SMS-1 and I have tried them all.

I contacted the company and you can still pre-order the Dual Core at a significant discount. Maybe not quite as cheap as Bill seems to have paid, but you can still save nearly $300 if you order really soon. Go to the website and Register, then you can place your pre-order.

http://verkkokauppa.planeetta.net/ep...ewRegistration
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If you use the pure digital out, you can send room corrected digital out to something like the NAD 390DD and be in true digital all the way, fwtw.
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Maybe not quite as cheap as Bill seems to have paid

It is easy to get confused about EUR/USD, tax/no tax. But price in EUR with tax translates within 7% of USD without tax with current exchange rate, so you end up in the same ballpark.
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Could swear this thread has already been done once or twice.

It it was capable of doing say 4 subs, added Lowshelf/high shelf adjustments to the P-EQs, and the ability to view the response on a computer vs the tiny little screen, then it would be more interesting.

IMO, $1200 is way too much for this, at $800, guess it's a better deal. But has XT32 becomes more main stream (prob the reason the AS-EQ1 is no longer produced), going to be hard to justify a unit like this that doesn't offer a lot more tweakability.

For that price you can probably get a new AVR (I'm sure by the end of Q1 this year there will be more AVRs with XT32) with a MiniDSP for custom tweaking of the curves or EQing naked response subs where needed.

 

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Does XT32 allow main speakers to be EQ-ed as full range? Not from 40Hz and above as it is now with MultEQ XT.

Does XT32 (without any pro option) allow the user to see the FR on the display?

A lot of people dont care about using a computer with a sub eq. May be if the dual core had a video out, that would have helped. But having a screen, even though small, to view the FR is a plus compared to Audyssey. Not many people have 4 subs. There will be more people who would like to EQ the mains as full range (30Hz to 20KHz) or EQ just 2 subs, compared to people with 4 subs.

Right now even the street price of AVR's with XT32 is around $2000 (no including refurbished). There are a lot of features in those high end AVR's that I dont care much about, including the video as I always connect the DVD/BD player directly to the display. All the network features are useless to me. So for people like me, a stand alone full range EQ with a screen would be valuable. I bet the measurement is a lot straight forward than Audyssey. On the Antimode 8033, I just have to press 2 buttons. That is the kind of simplicity I am looking for.
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no comment on the antimode itself, but your "street price" assumption is about 700 dollars too high...

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So where do you see Denon 4311 for $1300?

BTW I am not interested in Audyssey products by Onkyo or Integra as they dont give an option between Audyssy (flat option in Denon) and Audysey Reference. I also prefer to buy from popular online stores and I dont see such a low price for 4311 (no refurbished 'B' stock)
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^^^

pick up the phone and call...

it's been available for right around that price just about every weekend (and yes, auth dealers will match the price)... many people have taken advantage of that pricing over the last several weeks...

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see the 4311 thread for details, it's discussed in (way too many) posts... but electronics expo is never a bad place to start... amoungst the usual suspects...

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Electronics Expo? no thanks :-) I had a bad experience with them. Lousy customer service.

Even if the 4311 is available for $1300, I am hesitant to buy it as Audyssey cant EQ the mains alone below 40Hz. Like I said before, I like to EQ the mains alone as full range from 30Hz to 20Hz or 16Hz and a diaplay to view the FR is a bonus.

If XT32 would allow me to view the FR on a display and also allow me to EQ the main as low as 30hz, then I may consider. But given the simplicity of the Antimode, I would prefer the Antimode. Will see when the new Antimode would hit the US market and at what price. I could sell my Antimode 8033. In all probability, with the introduction of the new Antimode, the price of XT32 based AVR's would drop as they no longer can monopolize the market. And the ability to choose my own range to EQ the mains using the new Antimode would be a big advantage. Not to mention the use of custom curves in the new Antimode, which I believe is not standard with the XT32?
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note that my only comment was that your street price was off...

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Yep. Agree. My comments are in general. I just checked the 4311 manual and the lowest cross over is 40Hz. I will have to confirm at the Audyssey thread if Audyssey XT32 can EQ the mains as full range (go below 40Hz).
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Electronics Expo? no thanks :-) I had a bad experience with them. Lousy customer service.

Even if the 4311 is available for $1300, I am hesitant to buy it as Audyssey cant EQ the mains alone below 40Hz. Like I said before, I like to EQ the mains alone as full range from 30Hz to 20Hz or 16Hz and a diaplay to view the FR is a bonus.

If XT32 would allow me to view the FR on a display and also allow me to EQ the main as low as 30hz, then I may consider. But given the simplicity of the Antimode, I would prefer the Antimode. Will see when the new Antimode would hit the US market and at what price. I could sell my Antimode 8033. In all probability, with the introduction of the new Antimode, the price of XT32 based AVR's would drop as they no longer can monopolize the market. And the ability to choose my own range to EQ the mains using the new Antimode would be a big advantage. Not to mention the use of custom curves in the new Antimode, which I believe is not standard with the XT32?

I don't think that will happen, as most people prefer a one box solution. Look at what happened to the SVS EQ solution - XT32 killed the product, so I don't think the new AntiMode is going to cannibalize nearly enough AVR sales to force XT32 prices to drop. They may well drop as the technology ages and becomes available in more AVR solutions though.
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But the SVS EQ is a bass only EQ, where as the new Antimode claims to do the mains at the user specified range, which the XT32 cant do. Plus the ability to see the FR is an advantage IMO. Audyssey doesnt do a good job if I just do the measurements at one position. With my Denon 3310, I MUST do the measurement at all 6 positions to get a good correction, even though I dont care about other positions as I am the only listener. It is not the case with the Antimode 8033 and I would presume it would not be the case with the new Antimode either. I like the simplicity of the Antimode. Just plug it in, press 2 buttons and I am done. Now I can also see the curve, though on a small screen. Plus the new Antimode can be used as a preamp with volume control. So I can eliminate an AVR for 2ch music if I can EQ the mains from 30Hz.
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IMO, $1200 is way too much for this, at $800, guess it's a better deal. But has XT32 becomes more main stream (prob the reason the AS-EQ1 is no longer produced), going to be hard to justify a unit like this that doesn't offer a lot more tweakability.

For that price you can probably get a new AVR (I'm sure by the end of Q1 this year there will be more AVRs with XT32) with a MiniDSP for custom tweaking of the curves or EQing naked response subs where needed.

That's very similar to how I feel as well. I've vacillated on getting the 8033 for a while now, but always come back to the thought that $350 wasn't commensurate with what you gain. The prices for the new unit strikes me as astronomical, and it seems like the wiser choice would be an AVR using one of the more advanced versions of Audyssey. At least for what I'm attempting to achieve anyway. The Anti-Mode products might be good, but it's hard for me to fathom they're that good.

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This page specifically says the Dual Core can be used for a full-range pair of speakers or a dual subwoofer system.

http://verkkokauppa.planeetta.net/ep...MDualCore-0001

That page is the original press release.

But this page doesn't mention EQ for dual subs:

http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/20-dual-core.shtml

I would remind anyone interested that the pre-order pricing will end really soon. You can save nearly $300 at the moment.
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There are reviews that show that the sub EQ of Audyssey and Antimode 8033 are pretty much identical. Like I said, the simplicity of Antimode caught my attention. Just plug it in, press 2 buttons and you are done. Yeah you cant see the FR. You cant see the FR with Audyssey MultEQ XT either. The feature that is more attractive on the new Antimode is the ability to EQ the mains with a user specified range.
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