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I have it narrowed down to these two subs. I currently own the SVS 20-39PCi which I have had since 2002. I live in a one bedroom apt upstairs and my room is approx 2700cf. I called SVS for a recommendation and they suggested the PB12 plus over the SB13 plus given my room size and the low bass extension that I am used to with my 20-39PCi.

I am 50/50 for HT and music. I have never had a sealed sub and I was leaning to the SB13 but I trust SVS's judgement. Thanks for any input.

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yes, SVS's recommendation is what I would advise too. Remember, you can run the PB12 in sealed mode which will basically allow you to approximate the characteristics of a SB13 (the amp and driver are smaller, but the larger box makes up for it)

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SVS and warpdrive are steering you in the right direction.
If any one or more of the following was applicable
1) your room was signicantly smaller
2) you had a strict size restriction
3) were going to use it primarily for music
then the SB would be preferable, but that doesn't seem the case so go with the PB.
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I have it narrowed down to these two subs. I currently own the SVS 20-39PCi which I have had since 2002. I live in a one bedroom apt upstairs and my room is approx 2700cf. I called SVS for a recommendation and they suggested the PB12 plus over the SB13 plus given my room size and the low bass extension that I am used to with my 20-39PCi.

I am 50/50 for HT and music. I have never had a sealed sub and I was leaning to the SB13 but I trust SVS's judgement. Thanks for any input.

Why would you even bother to exchange the 20-39PCi for the PB-12? There have been a few upgrades since you bought the 20-39PCi, but if you want a real change you should wait until you have the money for something really different.

I would hold out for a sealed sub from Rythmik. The F15 in black oak or matte black is $899 plus shipping. I would also look at the F15HP.

The Rythmik servo makes the difference as well as being sealed.
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Why would you even bother to exchange the 20-39PCi for the PB-12? There have been a few upgrades since you bought the 20-39PCi, but if you want a real change you should wait until you have the money for something really different.

I would hold out for a sealed sub from Rythmik. The F15 in black oak or matte black is $899 plus shipping. I would also look at the F15HP.

The Rythmik servo makes the difference as well as being sealed.

I think you may have missed that he is coming from the predecessor of the NSD line and is looking at going to the current Plus line.

The differences between the PCi and the new PB12-Plus are pretty significant. New, much more robust driver (the PCi was equivalent to the NSD range), 800 watt DSP amp w/2 PEQ's and a slew of other features vs. 320 watt BASH amp w/o any PEQ options on the PCi, and if I remember correctly the PB12 Plus has more internal volume than the PCi 20-39 did. Not by much, but some. The Plus also allows for sealed tuning, as mentioned by warpdrive,which the PCi did not. Giving him the option to play around and determine what tuning options he likes. The new driver, amp, DSP/limiter and tuning options could give him a real change, as well as providing more output than the F15 (which is a good sub in its own right).

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I think it's safe to say that the current PB12-Plus has evolved into something closer to the 13Ultra rather than the old PCi.
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I think it's safe to say that the current PB12-Plus has evolved into something closer to the 13Ultra rather than the old PCi.

At the price of the PB-12 Plus there are lots of choices. Personally, I would probably go with the Rythmik F15HP.
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I'm sure the Rythmik is very worthy.
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With Rythmik's price increase and the vinyl wrap cabinet, I think the PB12-Plus offers a nicer sub for the money. The PB12 pretty much matches the FV15HP performance wise while giving up 3" of cone.
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I too have a 1 bedroom apt with an open layout and I agree that the ported PB12 plus would be your best bet in your situation. It performs quite well with music and movies and is indeed an upgrade from your older PCi. If the room were sealed I would consider the SB13plus. Also ask SVS if you are able to get the 5% return customer discount.
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With Rythmik's price increase and the vinyl wrap cabinet, I think the PB12-Plus offers a nicer sub for the money. The PB12 pretty much matches the FV15HP performance wise while giving up 3" of cone.

The Svs PB13 Ultra is a closer match for the Rythmik FV15HP than the PB12+.

The FV15HP with the piano black finish is $350 bucks cheaper than the PB13, including price increase.

The FV15HP with the vinyl wrap is $600 cheaper than the PB13, including price increase.

The Rythmik FV15HP may not only be the better sub, it may also be a better value, imo.
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Wow, thanks for all the great responses and valuable input from everyone. The Rythmik sounds very nice but is really more than I can spend at this time. The PB12 plus is at the upper end of what I can spend, and I may even be able to get one from SVS's outlet section if one becomes available.

I did not know about the SVS 5% discount for return customers. Jack Gilvey is the one I spoke to at SVS and he was very helpful with his input. Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions.

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There appears to be a PB12 Plus in the outlet right now.
http://www.svsound.com/outlet-specia...&category_id=5
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The Svs PB13 Ultra is a closer match for the Rythmik FV15HP than the PB12+.

The FV15HP with the piano black finish is $350 bucks cheaper than the PB13, including price increase.

The FV15HP with the vinyl wrap is $600 cheaper than the PB13, including price increase.

The Rythmik FV15HP may not only be the better sub, it may also be a better value, imo.

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There appears to be a PB12 Plus in the outlet right now.
http://www.svsound.com/outlet-specia...&category_id=5

Thanks mojomike for the heads up. I will check it out.

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Wow, thanks for all the great responses and valuable input from everyone. The Rythmik sounds very nice but is really more than I can spend at this time. The PB12 plus is at the upper end of what I can spend, and I may even be able to get one from SVS's outlet section if one becomes available.

I did not know about the SVS 5% discount for return customers. Jack Gilvey is the one I spoke to at SVS and he was very helpful with his input. Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions.

Yeah, also look at Audioholics Sub shootout and the PB12 really shines for the combination of performance, price, cabinet quality and SVS Bill of Rights.
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The Rythmik FV15 is $1,173.00 shipped.
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There appears to be a PB12 Plus in the outlet right now.
http://www.svsound.com/outlet-specia...&category_id=5

They have both the Piano Black and black oak full wood veneer for $1229.00 shipped. I wish I had room for another.
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They have both the Piano Black and black oak full wood veneer for $1229.00 shipped. I wish I had room for another.

Thanks trolly for the info on the Audioholics sub shootout. I read it last night and there is a lot of good information there.

I checked out the SVS outlet prices but it still says both PB12 plus subs are not available but I put in my email to be notified when they do get it in.

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Thanks trolly for the info on the Audioholics sub shootout. I read it last night and there is a lot of good information there.

I checked out the SVS outlet prices but it still says both PB12 plus subs are not available but I put in my email to be notified when they do get it in.

My pleasure to help. I hope you are able to get one of the outlet specials. The PB12-Plus is one of those products you come across that you keep for a long time.
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I have had my PB12-plus DSP since April now and I have been really enjoying it. This is certainly a step up from my SVS 20-39PCi. The bass has great definition for music and movies on bluray sound great as well. I ended up getting an Auralex Great Gramma and I like the results that I have gotten from using this.

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I know this thread is probably dead. But, I thought I would ask on here just in case. Does anyone remember how much they were asking for the Sb13-Plus? The only price I have heard was around $1,200. I asked SVS what the difference between the Plus and the Ultra was and all I got was that they made small tweaks to it. I.e. made revisions to the Soft Parts, Got rid of the wood trim panel to increase internal Vol. Changed how the grille held on and made some tweaks to the EQ and limiter.

 

The reason I ask because if the sb13-plus was $1,200 why is the ultra $1,600 now? And I must say I do prefer the finish of the plus over the Ultra even. The wood panel sides were very nice and even the SVS logo in the center of the speaker was removed from the Ultra. So, were is the extra $400 going?

 

Dose anyone think they will bring back a subwoofer to fill in the gap between the $700 SB-2000 and the $1,600 SB13-Ultra? Thats a $900 price difference and the $1,200 SB13-plus filled that spot in perfectly if you ask me.

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Dose anyone think they will bring back a subwoofer to fill in the gap between the $700 SB-2000 and the $1,600 SB13-Ultra? Thats a $900 price difference and the $1,200 SB13-plus filled that spot in perfectly if you ask me.

I think they would. Huge jump between SB2000 and SB Ultra, you can buy three SB2000 for the price of one Ultra. Compare that to the steps on the PB and PC range, a model every couple of hundred dollars.

I'm interested in one around $900, but with the DSP features of the Ultra (variable high pass filter)

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The SB-13+ was around $1,600 when it first launched. I think the price drop to $1,200 was really to clear the inventory as they likely already had the Ultra in production or preproduction. If they had a contract for a specified number if units to be built it may have been cost effective to drop the prices for the remainder of a run.

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