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Dayton sub80 is $79 11x15x14 goes down to 40
Lava LSP08 is $197.38 11.5x15x13 goes down to 37
Outlaw M8 is $224 10.87x14.5x14.125 goes down to 29

Want to run two small subs in stereo with my Era D5's for two channel music only.
The D5's go down to 50. The room is 17.5 x 11 x 8. Not interested in a better single sub or subs with bigger dimensions then these.

In this price range, for my application, will there be improved SQ commensurate with price difference.

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You can get a Lava for even cheaper with the 15% AVS forum member discount just call them and let them know..

Out of all the choices you have I would get the Outlaw M8.

HOWEVER its my personally opinion than you are shooting yourself in the foot by not just getting a better single subwoofer. Being that this is a music focus set-up for $450 I would purchase the Emotiva X-Ref 10 in your shoes as its only slightly larger

If you are going for 2 subwoofer cause you want a stereo affect I feel like i should tell ya that sound frequencies below 80hz are not directional so 2 subwoofer won't give you stereo bass.
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Out of all the choices you have I would get the Outlaw M8.

HOWEVER its my personally opinion than you are shooting yourself in the foot by not just getting a better single subwoofer. Being that this is a music focus set-up for $450 I would purchase the Emotiva X-Ref 10 in your shoes as its only slightly larger.

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For music an XRef would probably be very good. The M8 is a nice sub, but I also suspect the XRef might suit your needs better.

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You can get a Lava for even cheaper with the 15% AVS forum member discount just call them and let them know..

Out of all the choices you have I would get the Outlaw M8.

HOWEVER its my personally opinion than you are shooting yourself in the foot by not just getting a better single subwoofer. Being that this is a music focus set-up for $450 I would purchase the Emotiva X-Ref 10 in your shoes as its only slightly larger

If you are going for 2 subwoofer cause you want a stereo affect I feel like i should tell ya that sound frequencies below 80hz are not directional so 2 subwoofer won't give you stereo bass.

Isn't the X-Ref 10 $499? The $100 off coupon code AUDIOHOLICS only works of the X-Ref 12, making it $599. If there is a coupon or other discount on the X-Ref 10, please let us know
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For just 2 channel music why not just upgrade your speakers to something that plays down to 40hz? Then you don't have to deal with integrating multiple subs.

As for 1 vs 2 subs, id vote for two. The topic of stereo bass and lower crossovers to reduce localization has been popular in a few threads lately. Search for stereo bass and you should get a few hits. Myself and a few others in the audyssey thread recently did some testing and have now moved from the convential 80hz crossover to 40 or 50hz.
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Isn't the X-Ref 10 $499? The $100 off coupon code AUDIOHOLICS only works of the X-Ref 12, making it $599. If there is a coupon or other discount on the X-Ref 10, please let us know

Yes it's $500 shipped but an extra $50 over the lifetime of the subwoofer isn't that much. Figure you have it for 5years that's only $10 extra a year, the cost so 2 cups of coffee per year
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Forgot about about the discount on the Lavas, that puts them a little closer in price to the Dayton. No love for the Dayton?
The two negatives for me about the M8 is it is downward firing, and more expensive.
I have considered getting a more full range speaker, although the the "no stereo effect" would suggest that I would be paying more for redundancies in their low end.
I live in an apartment. I am not looking for SLAM, I don't rock out.

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Yes it's $500 shipped but an extra $50 over the lifetime of the subwoofer isn't that much. Figure you have it for 5years that's only $10 extra a year, the cost so 2 cups of coffee per year

Personally I was hoping the $100 discount using the AUDIOHOLICS coupon code works on the X-Ref 10, that way there would be sealed sub for $400. As it stands the least expensive sealed sub that I am aware of (with the possible exception of kits from Dayton), is $500.

The $100 discount using the AUDIOHOLICS coupon code only works on the X-Ref 12.
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Forgot about about the discount on the Lavas, that puts them a little closer in price to the Dayton. No love for the Dayton?
The two negatives for me about the M8 is it is downward firing, and more expensive.
I have considered getting a more full range speaker, although the the "no stereo effect" would suggest that I would be paying more for redundancies in their low end.
I live in an apartment. I am not looking for SLAM, I don't rock out.

Than putting your money together for one quality subwoofer would be better.

I am speaking as a person who used a Budget 8" subwoofer in my apartment. When I had my 12" I got better over all bass at low volumes with the larger, higher level subwoofer. Only reason i sold it to go back to my budget 8" is a guy offered to pay me twice as much. I had no complaints from neighbors just didn't watch my movies at full volume after 10pm. And now with my Subwoofer isolation pad there is even less sound in their apartment.

Why is downfiring a bad thing. Bass is omni directional. the woofer does not need to be facing you for great imaging.

The outlaw subwoofer is above both of the other ones so its price is going to reflect it. But you can settle for a lower quality if you like to save a few dollars. Keep in mind speakers treated well have a long lifetime so you might want to calculate the how much that cost now will last you on a per year basis.
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If you are looking for a really inexpensive pair of subs I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Pioneer SW-8. It's performace and build quality are far, far above the current retail price. A musical little sub.
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downward firing is firing down at the nice older woman who lives below me, but perhaps you are suggesting downward firing versus forward won't make any difference to her...

May be one outlaw and one dayton?..if you can't localize 80hz you probably can't localize 29 through 40.

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I would go with a pair of these Polk PSW505's. For $500 that's hard to beat

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-12-...313399&sr=8-16
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For music an XRef would probably be very good. The M8 is a nice sub, but I also suspect the XRef might suit your needs better.

I would agree. Either one of the X-Refs or NHT's sealed subs. They should have better SQ for music than two M8s.

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I picked up the Dayton SUB-800 to use in my bedroom last week. I've got to say that it impressed me. On sale for $69 right now, so it's an even better deal.

I am using it in a bedroom (12x16) to add some warmth to a pair of Selah Aura Jrs. (Dayton ND-130 woofer and SB Acoustics SB-29 tweeter) and it sounds really good. (I have 2 SVS PC-ultras in my main listening/theater system)

I wouldn't build a big home theater aound the SUB-800, but to shore up the bottom end of some small bookshelfs, I think it is a real bargan.

No, you aren't going to get 20 hz, but in most rooms I think it will get close to 30hz, and if you are using two of them, then I think it's even better. It's definitely not a one note boomer, so if you keep the volume reasonable and don't expect them to go super deep, I would recommend it.

If you can't afford to step up to the big boys from SVS, Hsu, etc. ... I would recommend the Daytons.

Heck, if you have the room, the Sub-1000 is on sale for $89 now. Get two of them and don't look back.

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I second that.

I have Dayton Audio SUB-80s and believe they are the right "powered woofers" (sub is a misnomer in this case) in the right situation.

The two that are in a budget system (12x14 bedroom) do what I intend them to - add some low extension to my acoustic suspension book shelves. I have no way of measuring them but they probably go in the low 40s and the bass provided from them on tunes I'm intimately familiar with seems accurate. They perform well enough on action movies when kept within the realm they are intended to and with moderate volume will rattle stuff in the room when things go "boom."

For the price ($158 a pair/shipped and I wouldn't recommend less than two to lower the gain and help keep from pushing them to their excursion limits) and expectation they do well.

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