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post #271 of 2962 Old 10-22-2012, 10:50 AM
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Thanks for the input Jim. I decided to pull the trigger on two S10.3's. There are still some available through Amazon (from another reseller) for $245 each. I'll reply later on when my HT room is finished and I try them out.

I ordered the subs on Friday morning, and to my amazement, a FedX truck pulled up early Saturday afternoon with my subwoofers. I choose the least expensive shipping cost so I was very surprised they arrived so quickly.

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I'm glad everything worked out for you. Make sure you come back and post your impressions. I'm sure other people who read this thread will find it valuable.

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Jim & others, thanks for this thread. I've learned a lot reading through it.

My 13-year-old 8" Kenwood HTiB sub bit the dust, so it's time to get a new sub (I'm distraught, as you might imagine). Budget is $200 - $300, but the less I spend on the sub, the more I'll have to replace the corresponding HTib LCR speakers shortly (probably used Klipsch). I'm set at surround (4 in-ceiling Klipsch).

My challenge is that I have a huge volume to fill - about 15,000 cubic feet. I know I won't get spectacular results in my price range, so I'm willing to make some compromises. Use is 99% TV/movies - I'm willing to sacrifice musical performance. Size of cabinet(s) isn't a problem. Cabinet finish (beauty) isn't a problem either. Slight preference for downward firing to protect against kids. Near-field positioning probably isn't an option with current family room layout, but all of the seating is within 15 feet of the tv/sub location.

My current list of options (prices are current sales w/ shipping):

- single Velodyne VX-11 ($170) - good reputation, looks like a great sale price, could add a second down the road and still be ok budget-wise. Only 10".
- single BIC F12 ($201) - 12" driver and still leaves plenty of cash to replace the front speakers.
- dual Dayton SUB-1200 ($225) - I'm thinking this will get the most SPL's. Dual 12" are sexy, right?
- single Acoustic Audio Cinema CS-PS15-B ($230) - 15" might be sloppy, but acceptable for HT use.
- single Klipsch RW-12D ($300) - matches the rest of my system (and 12" driver), so this is attractive. Might be able to find for $250 or so if I wait a bit.
- single HSU STF-1 ($335) - only 8", but good reputation.

My concern is that the options at the top of my budget aren't going to fill my cavernous space any better than the others, so are they worth it?

Thanks for any comments or further recommendations.
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Are you certain the space is really 15,000 CF? If so, you won't be able to fill it with $2,000 worth of subwoofer(s), let alone $200. What are the room dimensions?

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Yep, those are the dimensions. One of those new open floorplans that are popular in Arizona. HT is in family room, which is one large area with the kitchen - combined dimensions of 42x15x9. There's a 9x8 opening to the front part of the house (I'm assuming that's large enough that I need to include it), which is the living room/dining room (25x15x9) and a huge two-story foyer w/ curved stairs - about 25x8x11 downstairs and 25x14x9 upstairs. Roughly calculates out to 14,400 cubic feet. If I don't need to include the front of the house, I'm still at 5,600 cubic feet - more than $200-$300 can fill anyway.
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Yea, that's quite a lot of space. I honestly don't think you'll be able to find anything that will come close to working with that budget. You might want to look into the Premier Acoustic PA-150 though. If you use the 'make an offer' button you may be able to get $40-$50 off, which unfortunately is still above what you're looking to spend.

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Great thread....thanks to the OP for starting it. I have been reading reviews and forums trying to decide what sub to get for my home office which is about 13 x 13 x 8. I currently have a Def Tech Prosub 60 and I'm hoping to upgrade to something that is more tight with a bit more on the bottom end. The subwoofer will be used 100% for music and my budget is under $300 (new or used). I am currently considering the Outlaw M8, Lava SP10, and Velodyne Impact 10. I have considered the HSU STF-1, Energy S10.3, and the Mirage Omni S8 but I don't like how there is just one RCA input (my receiver is old and I currently use the preamp out L/R to my Def Tech sub). Does anyone have any recommendations based on the subs I have listed or are there other subs I should consider? Sound quality is more important to me than output because this is for music only.
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Yeah, that's what I figured. So, considering I won't be able to accomplish a full bass effect, which of my listed options will give me the most satisfaction for movies? Or is there really no difference between my options - just go with the cheapest one?

FYI, my audio budget went into my car - if I want good sound, I listen to my MB Quart / JL system I have in there. I'm not willing to sink more than the minimum in my home where I have 3 little kids conspiring to bash my new sub, and it will be used 90% of the time to watch My Little Pony and Dora. Once the kids are older, I'll drop the cash required to satisfy my HT desires.

Thanks again for your input.
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bugmonster.

Consider a PA sub for that much space. You won't dig below about 35 hz, but it'll have the volume you need. You'll have to locate an amp, but you can probably find a used behringer amp on craigslist locally for fairly cheap. None of the typical $300 home theater subs are going to do much in a room that large. This is pretty much the pinnacle of impossible posts. wink.gif

Something like this might fit the bill much better than a typical home theater sub for that much space. It isn't much for looking, but you'll definitely hear it in your cavernous space.

http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-EUROLIVE-VP1800S-1600W-Subwoofer/dp/B0029RRGNG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1351227534&sr=8-5&keywords=behringer+subwoofer

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Consider a PA sub for that much space.

Ya know, that's not a bad idea. Since fidelity isn't the overriding concern -- output is -- this may be the best approach, given your circumstances.

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this one has the amp built in for $350ish

http://www.amazon.com/Seismic-Audio-Aftershock-18-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B004G95G14/ref=pd_cp_MI_0


again --- it wont go low but it will go loud...

and an inexpensive sub that will go low wont go loud enough to hear and enjoy in your room.

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Yep, those are the dimensions. One of those new open floorplans that are popular in Arizona. HT is in family room, which is one large area with the kitchen - combined dimensions of 42x15x9. There's a 9x8 opening to the front part of the house (I'm assuming that's large enough that I need to include it), which is the living room/dining room (25x15x9) and a huge two-story foyer w/ curved stairs - about 25x8x11 downstairs and 25x14x9 upstairs. Roughly calculates out to 14,400 cubic feet. If I don't need to include the front of the house, I'm still at 5,600 cubic feet - more than $200-$300 can fill anyway.

I remember seeing another poster saying he found a PA-150 for $300 shipped. I know you can make an offer here:
http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/core/view_BigProduct.cfm?pid=1825&sc=28

And on Ebay.

With that big of a room, I would try to place the subwoofer nearfield (or closest to your main seating as possible).
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Hey guys, I'm from Australia and have been searching around for a budget sub and was wondering which of the below I'm able to use here without a transformer due to voltage differences (220-240V)

BIC F12
BIC PL200
Energy S10.3
Klipsch RW-12D
Polk Audio SW505

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Ok, so I've been going through my options. The Seismic Audio looks intriguing, but the reviews aren't good. I can put together a Behringer package of the VP1800S for $208 and an iNuke 1000w amp for $166, for a package price of $374. A bit higher than I want, but might be worth it. No one has the PA-150 for $300 right now ($356 is the best I can find), but I'm willing to be patient.

There's a 5-6 year old Klipsch RW-12 (without the digital component) on CL right now for $200 - I'm thinking that's not a great deal since I can get a brand new RW-12d from NewEgg for $300 if I wait for one of their sales, which seem to pop up several times a month. Concur?

Thanks again for all the options - and prompting me to spend half my Saturday running around to DJ stores looking at 18" PA subs smile.gif. No thanks, I don't want your Peavey monitor you're trying to unload for $100.
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Pure Acoustics Lord 10..... what you guys think about this at $119? I need a sub for my new Jamo 426 system in a 15 x 20 x 8 room that is open to the rest of the house... i dont need earth shaking bass just really to add the bottom if that makes sense. right now i have boston acoustics MCS-90 package with a little 8" sub that came with it and it is ok for me but want something better. also on my list is the dayton audio 1200 if it will blend wtih the jamo 426's. the sat are rated at 90hz, but dont know if i believe that.....

any other suggestions are welcome but my limit is $150... i know, i know.... but what is the best compromise? thanks....
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Pure Acoustics Lord 10..... what you guys think about this at $119? I need a sub for my new Jamo 426 system in a 15 x 20 x 8 room that is open to the rest of the house...

A single 10" driver in a 2400 cubic foot room isn't really going to work very well - it would probably be overwhelmed. If $150 is a hard limit then perhaps the Dayton Audio SUB-1200 would be a better alternative. Coincidentally, it costs the same.

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I vote Sub1200...
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thanks but will the 1200 it blend with the Jamo 426's? i know it would with the mains which have 2 -5 1/2" drivers, the specs says the 3 1/2" center and sats go to 90HZ but i dont know if i believe that...
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Yes, it will blend well after you initiate the time to properly set it up.
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Thanks for all the advice on here. I found an open box PA-150 on Ebay for $250 shipped - only has a small scratch on the side of the cabinet. Got it a few days ago, and everything runs fine on it. As stated in other reviews, it is absolutely dead under 30Hz, but does nice above there, even if it is a bit peaky around 50Hz. I'm still playing around with positioning and settings, but I think it will do well. I get a small thump in my chest from it - not much, but much more than I had before.

I was ready to pull the trigger on the RW-12d had it dropped to $300 on NewEgg, but found the PA first. I'd love to compare the two, if I can find someone around me with one. I suspect the Klipsch would hit lower, but not as strong in the mid-bass.
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Hey guys. This is far from new idea but I thought I would give it a try to see what sort of response I get. I am researched out from about 2 weeks of looking for a sub around $200. Probably because I am asking too much but here goes. Room is 15x15 with a 9 ft ceiling and has an open doorway to the dining room. Tile floor and it is an apt. I have a Yamaha RX-V671 receiver, 2 Klipsch VF-36 towers front, Klipsch Quintet SL Series for the surround and prescence speakers. 90% Music, 10% Movies. I am not concerned with loud thumping bass. I want clear, defined musical bass (of course some thump would be fine). From what I gather the Energy S 10.3 (Mirage Omni S10) is the standard. From what I have read that would be perfect but alas I am a day late and a dollar short. Literally, The S 10.3 is sold out and discontinued everywhere that I have looked except Amazon who now want $380 and only have 1 left. It seems those shot off of the shelf at Newegg when they put them at $199. The Mirage Omni S10 is $520. Is there anything even close to this that I can get for around $200? For those who may suggest the BIC F12 I really dont want that. I have heard it and it is a good sub (especially for $200) but not really meant for music the way that I am hoping. I am picky about my music and would gladly trade some thump and loudness for precision. A good quality 8"er would probably even suffice but I would like a 10" if I can find one in my price range. Thanks in advance guys. EDIT: I think I have it narrowed down to the Klipsch RW 12D and Energy ESW M8. I know these 2 are pretty different. They are both $299. Again, music is by far the priority. EDIT: Just found the Mirage Omni S8 for $249 also.

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Monoprice has a new 12" powered sub... PID 9723. No reviews yet (seems to only have been listed in the last few days). $105. 150 Watts RMS, 30 Hz - 250 Hz. Anyone thinking of giving one or two of these a try? At that price, it's awfully tempting.....

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=9723&seq=1&format=3#specification
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go ahead and give one a try! Might be ok especially at thst price. Might have to get me two of them. biggrin.gif
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Bond 007;

Getting a musical sub for $200 is not a realistic expectation I'm afraid. With a powered sub you're buying a cabinet, amplifier and driver. You can't manufacture and sell something like that for $200 which will be good for music. It can barely be done for movies, where you can get away with a bit less sound quality.

Your room is also going to have a negative effect on the sound with that tile floor, so whatever sub you buy it would be a good idea to isolate it with something like a SubDude. That may be out of your price range, so perhaps you can get a little throw rug or something instead. Either way, you will need to insulate the sub from direct contact with the tile.

Along with the options you're already consider, a few others perhaps worth checking into are:

The Dynamo 300 only has an 8" driver, so it won't have tremendous depth or volume capabilities, but it should be pretty decent for most styles of music. None of them will be top of the line though, and each will have compromises of some sort.

The Premier Acoustic sub has a 'make an offer' button where you can essentially bid on it and see if they'll take a lower price. Often they will, even if it's 10%-15% less then what they're asking.

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Is the Outlaw m8 pretty well regarded for music performance for the money? I'm liking the b-stock shipped price on those right now.
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Getting a musical sub for $200 is not a realistic expectation I'm afraid. With a powered sub you're buying a cabinet, amplifier and driver. You can't manufacture and sell something like that for $200 which will be good for music. It can barely be done for movies, where you can get away with a bit less sound quality.
Your room is also going to have a negative effect on the sound with that tile floor, so whatever sub you buy it would be a good idea to isolate it with something like a SubDude. That may be out of your price range, so perhaps you can get a little throw rug or something instead. Either way, you will need to insulate the sub from direct contact with the tile.
Along with the options you're already consider, a few others perhaps worth checking into are: The Dynamo 300 only has an 8" driver, so it won't have tremendous depth or volume capabilities, but it should be pretty decent for most styles of music. None of them will be top of the line though, and each will have compromises of some sort.
The Premier Acoustic sub has a 'make an offer' button where you can essentially bid on it and see if they'll take a lower price. Often they will, even if it's 10%-15% less then what they're asking.
As I have done more research I realize $200 is a pipe dream. Thats why I have listed some that are around $400.I got an F12 cheap and it is sitting on a folded bathroom rug but I am still looking. Can't see paying $325 for a refurbished 10.3 when I can get a new HSU STF 1 for another $15 or so. I am leaning heavily towards an HSU STF 2 when it goes on sale for $319 ($362 with shipping) or the Klipsch RW12D when it goes back on sale for $299.

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Is the Outlaw m8 pretty well regarded for music performance for the money? I'm liking the b-stock shipped price on those right now.

I think it's just a baby HSU sub, so it probably would do pretty well.

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As I have done more research I realize $200 is a pipe dream. Thats why I have listed some that are around $400.I got an F12 cheap and it is sitting on a folded bathroom rug but I am still looking. Can't see paying $325 for a refurbished 10.3 when I can get a new HSU STF 1 for another $15 or so. I am leaning heavily towards an HSU STF 2 when it goes on sale for $319 ($362 with shipping) or the Klipsch RW12D when it goes back on sale for $299.

The STF-2 would be a good choice. Since you upped your budget another one to look at is the Energy EW-100. For music the RW-12d is probably not such a good idea though. HT, yes, but music, no.

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The STF-2 would be a good choice. Since you upped your budget another one to look at is the Energy EW-100. For music the RW-12d is probably not such a good idea though. HT, yes, but music, no.
Many Thanks! The EW-100 is a great suggestion. I dont know how i missed it. I have just about every Energy and Klipsch sub at Amazon in my Cart waiting for price changes (I have about $7000 worth of subs in my Cart). The EW 100 is only 225W peak and 55RMS but it may just do the job. It has gotten good reviews and if I could get it for ~150 like all the reviewers I would probably get it today. It is now $260. At that price I would prefer to get the HSU STF-1 for a little more. My worst fear is to spend $300-$400 on another sub that booms just like this F12 only louder. I am afraid the RW-12d may just be something like that. Since the STF-2 is so highly regarded and you recommend it over the RW-12D I may just go ahead and get it. I am not sure when it will go on sale and when it does I have been reassured by "shoe" that it will not be any more than $30 off. If I am going to spend $492 anyway, is $30 worth waiting for? The guy at HSU said he would throw in a 20ft sub cable for free and waive the shipping on the cable (yes they wanted to charge separate shipping for the cable $8.00). The cable is $18.00 so that takes some of the $43 shipping charge sting out. I asked him if he would throw in an RCA Y-adaptor also because I am going to use the BIC F12 with it until I sell it. He said they dont carry them. You have been very helpful in making up my mind. Sometimes I just need someone to say it is OK. I have read many of these sub threads in the last 2 weeks or so and you seem well informed and respected without being way overly technical. The comment about the STF-2 being better for music than the Klipsch just reinforced what I was thinking. Thanks again!

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Is the Energy EW-100 that good? I had a chance to snag one new for $125 or so on Monday, but I couldn't quite bring myself to pull the trigger because reviews were very hard to come by. I am building my home theater now and have no sub at all although I will be using Pioneer FS-51 floorstanders to hopefully lessen the effects of a sub's absence. I was viewing the EW 100 as competition for the Dayton Sub 1200 (both would be almost exclusively for movies).

Was the EW-100 suggestion primarily because of the music aspect? Should I stick with the Dayton for movies? (And I'll dig around to see if I can get close to that price again...I think I can at least hit $150).
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