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I think I can get the Cadence under $300 shipped hence the appeal. NXG 500 is a bit less I think but I'm trying to confirm that with the dealer. Size wise the NXG fits better but the Cadence seems like a better sub.
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I think I can get the Cadence under $300 shipped hence the appeal. NXG 500 is a bit less I think but I'm trying to confirm that with the dealer. Size wise the NXG fits better but the Cadence seems like a better sub.
Better in what respect? Having heard both I would say output wise the Cadence gets the nod, but SQ the NXG has the advantage. Depends upon what is the most important attribute to you really.

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Better in what respect? Having heard both I would say output wise the Cadence gets the nod, but SQ the NXG has the advantage. Depends upon what is the most important attribute to you really.
I think anyone that is considering the purchase of a Cadence sub should read the extensive review of the 15 inch sub done by Audioholics. The interior of the cab has a full wooden divider between the amp and driver which reduces the volume of the enclosure which makes the bass response more like a mid bass module than a sub.

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I think anyone that is considering the purchase of a Cadence sub should read the extensive review of the 15 inch sub done by Audioholics. The interior of the cab has a full wooden divider between the amp and driver which reduces the volume of the enclosure which makes the bass response more like a mid bass module than a sub.

A cabinet divider, in and of itself, won't indicate that the sub is a "mid bass module". The TS parameters of the driver could very well have been designed to work effectively in the volume it was given, so there's really little to glean strictly from that. The Audioholics review indicates it may not have been an ideal pairing in this case - volume to driver - but the mere presence of a divider is not something that can be used to accurately make a determination. Indeed, a lot of companies use them to shield the amp from the backwave of the driver, which is a very wise move.

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A cabinet divider, in and of itself, won't indicate that the sub is a "mid bass module". The TS parameters of the driver could very well have been designed to work effectively in the volume it was given, so there's really little to glean strictly from that. The Audioholics review indicates it may not have been an ideal pairing in this case - volume to driver - but the mere presence of a divider is not something that can be used to accurately make a determination. Indeed, a lot of companies use them to shield the amp from the backwave of the driver, which is a very wise move.
The sub also features a sizable cabinet compared to most 12" ported subs that it compares too, perhaps accounting for the divider. I think it's quite similar to the PA-150, fantastic 40Hz+ output at the expense of reduced extension.

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onq goldline subwoofer

I am newbie for a sub woofer. Planning to get a used one from someone this model below for my home theater. Any advice would be appreciated.

On-Q / LeGrand - 364671-01 - Gold Line 12 200watt Subwoofer
Name: GOLD LINE 12 200WATT SUBWOOFER
Category: In-Wall
UPC Code: 804428013716
MFR SKU:364671-01
Minimum Frequency Response: 35 Hz
Maximum Frequency Response: 200 Hz
Crossover Frequency: 50 Hz to 200 Hz
Material: Fiberglass


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I am newbie for a sub woofer. Planning to get a used one from someone this model below for my home theater. Any advice would be appreciated.

On-Q / LeGrand - 364671-01 - Gold Line 12 200watt Subwoofer
Name: GOLD LINE 12 200WATT SUBWOOFER
Category: In-Wall
UPC Code: 804428013716
MFR SKU:364671-01
Minimum Frequency Response: 35 Hz
Maximum Frequency Response: 200 Hz
Crossover Frequency: 50 Hz to 200 Hz
Material: Fiberglass
For someone new to the world of subwoofers I'm not certain your first foray should be an in-wall model. Unlike a free standing version you need to measure where it will perform the best before cutting any sheetrock. A self-contained unit can be moved around the room at will, so it's significantly easier to get adjusted and tuned without committing yourself to a placement.

I'm not familiar with that particular model but it might require you build an enclosure for inside the wall as well. If so, you'll need to be accomplished with modeling software too, otherwise you could end up building something that isn't ideal for the task at hand. Lastly, the lower frequency response of 35Hz means it won't suffice for any HT tasks. Seeing as how that's your goal I suspect you'll be disappointed no matter what you do with it.

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For someone new to the world of subwoofers I'm not certain your first foray should be an in-wall model. Unlike a free standing version you need to measure where it will perform the best before cutting any sheetrock. A self-contained unit can be moved around the room at will, so it's significantly easier to get adjusted and tuned without committing yourself to a placement.

I'm not familiar with that particular model but it might require you build an enclosure for inside the wall as well. If so, you'll need to be accomplished with modeling software too, otherwise you could end up building something that isn't ideal for the task at hand. Lastly, the lower frequency response of 35Hz means it won't suffice for any HT tasks. Seeing as how that's your goal I suspect you'll be disappointed no matter what you do with it.
Actually description I posted initially was wrong about it being in-wall. I wish I could post links but if you google for 'INSTRUCTION evoq 7000' you should find manual for the sub woofer. If I can get this for less than 75 bucks then is it worth ? Else I would buy Denon sub-1200 I have heard about.

Manual says something like "On-Q/Legrand offers an evōQ™ 7000 Home Theater 12” 200W
Sub-Woofer for those instances where extended base response is required. This speaker, On-Q part number 364671-01,is optimized for central audio distribution (central sound) and the home theater environment. It features a 12”Glass Fiber woofer and is typically placed on the floor.
Note: This On-Q/Legrand evōQ™ 7000 Home Theater 12” 200W Sub-Woofer is not a moisture resistant speaker. Sub-Woofer is a cube approximately 17” square. It is made of black vinyl covered MDF, and is a sealed unit designed to be placed where base response is best, supporting the non-directional nature of its base frequency output. It features connections for both line level input and speaker level input and output, a volume control, a crossover adjustment (30-200Hz) and a phase reversal switch. "
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Well, according to the Amazon page, that sub (On-Q/Legrand evōQ™ 7000) only weighs 8 pounds....the Dayton SUB-1200 weighs 45 pounds. Based on that alone, I would go with the Dayton.

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Well, according to the Amazon page, that sub (On-Q/Legrand evōQ™ 7000) only weighs 8 pounds....the Dayton SUB-1200 weighs 45 pounds. Based on that alone, I would go with the Dayton.
Actually shipping weight is 50 lbs. I see description being mixed with their same series in-wall speakers
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Frankly, I would pass on that subwoofer. The companies website has almost no audio products, making me believe it's purely a sideline for them. That's really not the type of thing you want to purchase; something which appears to be an afterthought.

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The usual which budget sub questions...

My place is an open concept where my HT is. The space is around 4500 cubic feet, and opens up to around 6000 cubic feet if other doors etc open. I know a budget sub isn't going to fill the room, I just want the best bang for the buck.

Budget is $300

But limited on size for WAF and placement issues.

The sub can only be around 20" Depth X 16" Wide X 21" Tall.

I plan on building an isolation platform that will be around 2-4" tall to bring the sub up to about 24" (2 ft) so it can be used as an end table as well. Nothing permit will be placed on top though. The floors are hardwood.

The sub will be placed in a corner next to the couch. So sitting position will be close to the sub, either right next to it or max like 4-5 feet away.

If rear firing port it will be against the back of a wall with about 3-4" to spare. If the port is down firing could go a little closer to wall.

If a front firing sub the driver will be pointed towards the TV. I know the sound is Omni-directional but would a down firing help at all or would it matter?

Will be approx 75% Gaming/Movies & 25% Music.

Top Choices:

- BIC PL-200 seems solid , recommended a lot, great warranty.

- NXG NX-BAS-500 , great performance, but the Auto On/Off problem seems annoying, and it seems like a decent amount of people have had problems with Amps or Drivers on them going bad. Also as mention in Jim's review it seems to vibrate a lot, would the sub isolation platform eliminate this?

Second Choices:

- Klipsch SUB-12HG , on sale right now on Amazon, down firing, but seems to have bad amp issues.

- Premier Acoustic PA-120, seems to get good reviews, but looks like the PL-200 or NX-BAS-500 outperform it.

- Dayton SUB-1200, getting a little wide, but cheap for performance.

I also looked at the HSU STF-2 , but it seems like the 10" Driver would even have a harder time filling the room, and would just be a waste either way.
My hope was to find a used Outlaw LFM-1 Plus since size is perfect but have had no luck , plus issues if something happens when buying used.

That's about it lol, thanks for the help!

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You could consider the Cadence CSX-12 II, it has great output above 40Hz, and seems comparable to the NXG.

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The usual which budget sub questions...

Top Choices:

- BIC PL-200
- NXG NX-BAS-500

Second Choices:

- Klipsch SUB-12HG
- Premier Acoustic PA-120,

- Dayton SUB-1200,
As already posted - I would lean towards the Cadence CX-12
http://www.amazon.com/CSX-12-Mark-Ac.../dp/B000YQA14U

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Thanks for the info on the Cadence CSX-12 II, it might be a little to wide though.

Would it out perform the NX-BAS-500 or PL-200 by that much?

I thought the Cadence CSX-12 II was discontinued as well? So worried about warranty or parts.

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Would it out perform the NX-BAS-500 or PL-200 by that much?

'Out perform' in what respect? Depth, sound quality, volume?



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I thought the Cadence CSX-12 II was discontinued as well? So worried about warranty or parts.

It's been out of production for at least a year now, and perhaps as long as two, although interestingly it's now listed as available on their website (for quite a while it said "discontinued", so I don't know what they're doing).

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It's been out of production for at least a year now, and perhaps as long as two, although interestingly it's now listed as available on their website (for quite a while it said "discontinued", so I don't know what they're doing).
When you go to add the CX-12 to the cart - you only get a wish list option

However, the CX-15 is in stock and you can still buy that one

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Thanks for the info on the Cadence CSX-12 II, it might be a little to wide though.

I thought the Cadence CSX-12 II was discontinued as well? So worried about warranty or parts.
The link was for an Amazon third party seller - however, I would recommend that
a buyer contact Cadence to confirm whether it would be under warranty or not.

However if it is too wide for you - then it would be a mute point.

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The link was for an Amazon third party seller - however, I would recommend that
a buyer contact Cadence to confirm whether it would be under warranty or not.

However if it is too wide for you - then it would be a mute point.
+1 Good advice.
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Speaking of 'moot' suggestions...


Monday, I ordered a cherry finish JBL SUB 550PCH sub from Amazon for $290... I had it running by lunchtime Wednesday. While not the $200 bargain some got on the same speaker, compared to the street price of $550-$600 for the same speaker in it's currently only available finish, black (Verified by my conversation Monday with a JBL customer rep.), it's a bargain - just a discontinued finish. Feeling gluttonous, I just tried to re-order another one - all gone, save a few third party sellers. I may, as I am thrilled with my JBL sub purchase, bite the bullet and order a black one for the HT (My JBL sub augments a pair of NHT SuperOne 2.1's in a 2.1 music stereo, fed by my Onkyo TX-8020 & C-7030.).


Perhaps this post should have been 'mute'? Naw - watch for a deal on a JBL SUB 550 - it's a great 'music' sub - sadly, I haven't enjoyed a bassy disaster movie with it - yet!


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Monday, I ordered a cherry finish JBL SUB 550PCH sub from Amazon for $290... I had it running by lunchtime Wednesday. While not the $200 bargain some got on the same speaker, compared to the street price of $550-$600 for the same speaker in it's currently only available finish, black (Verified by my conversation Monday with a JBL customer rep.), it's a bargain - just a discontinued finish. Feeling gluttonous, I just tried to re-order another one - all gone, save a few third party sellers. I may, as I am thrilled with my JBL sub purchase, bite the bullet and order a black one for the HT (My JBL sub augments a pair of NHT SuperOne 2.1's in a 2.1 music stereo, fed by my Onkyo TX-8020 & C-7030.).


Perhaps this post should have been 'mute'? Naw - watch for a deal on a JBL SUB 550 - it's a great 'music' sub - sadly, I haven't enjoyed a bassy disaster movie with it - yet!
Continue to enjoy the adventure - a lot of people missed out on that one.

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'Out perform' in what respect? Depth, sound quality, volume?

All of the above if possible, whatever is going to dig the deepest for the budget and still have good quality and volume. But fit the size requirements I gave earlier.

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All of the above if possible, whatever is going to dig the deepest for the budget and still have good quality and volume. But fit the size requirements I gave earlier.


The difference between the two would be minimal really; they're both inexpensive subwoofers, meaning it won't be possible for any of them to provide depth, sound quality and output in equal proportions. For that you would need to spend at least $500.

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Klipsch Sub-12HG is $200 at Fry's with promo code now
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What's the best subwoofer DIY kit I can buy for under $300?
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I would guess something from parts express. Have you seen the subwoofer cabinets they have?

http://www.parts-express.com/cat/sub...r-cabinets/289

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Hey folks.

After previous forum feedback and insight from the audience, I decided I was going to get a Acoustech PL-200. But I just saw a used Martin Logan 700W (3 months old) that I think I could get for somewhere between $300 and $400 - so maybe $75-100 more than the PL-200. No brainer or not?

My original post with room/usage is below, though I will now either get the PL-200 or something else used. One thing I do like about the ML is that it is smaller - and that helps with WAF.

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Hey everybody. Audio amateur here & would love some advice/opinions. I need a sub and would really appreciate some recommendations.

I have a modest inwall system. Paradigm CD-160 v3 in walls for front left, front right and both rear and a Paradigm Cinema 400 for the center channel.

1. budget.- $200 ideal, up to $300/$350 possible. I could go higher, but really don't know if I would appreciate the difference.

2. Size requirements/limits. - It was the WAF that led me to the inwalls, so the smaller the better. I have an older sub that is a black cube at 13"x13"x13" and that was fine. I'd say going up to 15" or 16" cubed is no big deal, but would rather not get too much bigger.

3. Room dimensions. Maybe 2200 cubic feet. Roughly 20'x14x8. TV faces couch on the shorter dimension with maybe 12 ft between screen and viewer. It's a living room w TV mounted above fireplace.

4. Primary uses - TV & kids movies 50%, Music 40% (background, not cricical listening / Movies to really push/enjoy system 10%. Wish I could crank home theater more, but with young kids asleep upstairs, it almost never happens.

5. Listening habits.- Normal Viewing & listening. Loud enough to get a rumble on some movies, but other than that - mostly moderate volume levels. If I had to slant the sub one way on music vs home theater, slant it towards music. I don't want it sounding lousy when enjoying music.

6. Appearance requirements. None

7. Timeframe. None

From reading forums, people seem to like/recc:
1. Dayton sub-1000
2. Dayton sub-2000
3. Bic America F-12
4. Klipsch Sub 12-HG
5. Polk PSW505
6. HTD Level Two Sub

What does everybody think? I think most of those would be enough deep rumble for me for home theater, but I don't want something horrible for music. Again, I appreciate clean sound - but probably don't have the most critical audiophile ears here.

What does everyone think?
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