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Not really. Order one today.
It will be worth the wait.

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The SB-1000 is not the solution to your problem. It's a great subwoofer, but it isn't the the unit one thinks of when they say "vibrating and chest thumping" bass. Your room is almost 3000 cubic feet so even the PB-1000, which has a lot more output, won't provide those sensations in a room that size.

The LV12R is quite possibly the best option given your circumstances. If the projections of early February availability prove true it means in a week or two. It would be far wiser in the long run to wait a short while for something that works then hastily get something now which you'll regret afterwards.
Thanks Jim this helps a lot. I was previously thinking of getting an open box PB-1000 @$449.99 but based on what you just wrote. I'll rather just wait and get the LV12R.

I have a follow up question. Can I pair the LV12R with the Bic F-12 pending when I get funds to get another LV12R or will that make matters worse?

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Thanks Jim this helps a lot. I was previously thinking of getting an open box PB-1000 @$449.99 but based on what you just wrote. I'll rather just wait and get the LV12R.

I have a follow up question. Can I pair the LV12R with the Bic F-12 pending when I get funds to get another LV12R or will that make matters worse?
I actually tried that when I owned both. The F12 just muddied the clean sound of the LV.
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RBH I-12. It retails for $500, but you may be able to get a discount if you contact Brian at RBH. Brian gave me a very nice discount on mine. My room is of similar size (2700 ft^3) and the I-12 sounds very nice. It's comparable in output (slightly less) and extension to the SVS PB12-NSD in my room. The I-12 is also easily the best looking sub in this price range. Mine is glossy red burl finish, curved cabinet, curved grille and an aluminum driver. It is multi-ported (3), so you can run it in ported or sealed configurations. It's a very accurate sub with a very linear frequency response. It sounds great with everything I've thrown at it.

The Rythmik LV12R is a little more expensive ($569) than the I-12, but it's a well established, highly recommended sub in this price range. The servo amp is it's strong aspect, with many people really enjoying the musical ability of this sub. It's a very generic looking sub, with just a basic grille covering the entire front, devoid of any badges and the cone is made of treated paper. The LV12R has three extension settings, but it's noted that at it's deepest setting, the sub's extension does go to 19Hz, but "drops off a cliff" after that.

I think either of these subs would serve you well and perform well enough in your room, but after my time with the I-12, I can't imagine paying more for the LV12R. Both would be a huge step over the Bic F12. Neither of these subs are going to give you earth-shaking bass in a 3000^3 room, but if you add a second later you would be in business.
Wow you've given me something to really think about. I was dead set on the LV12R but if I can get something as good for less than $500 that also looks nice its really something to think about. I was going to hide the LV12R in the corner and eventually get another one but due to space constraints the other sub would have to be in the open and I'm definitely sure my Wife won't have approved.

Have you paired the LV12R with the I-12? I know it won't be as good as two LV12R's but would it be far off.

Thanks again for your input.
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I actually tried that when I owned both. The F12 just muddied the clean sound of the LV.
Ah I see, I was worried about that. What are your thoughts on the I-12. I haven't found a lot of reviews on it?
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Ah I see, I was worried about that. What are your thoughts on the I-12. I haven't found a lot of reviews on it?
I dont know anything about it. It seems to be a fairly new little talked about sub.
If it wasnt for Mix suggesting it lately I would never have heard of it.
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Wow you've given me something to really think about. I was dead set on the LV12R but if I can get something as good for less than $500 that also looks nice its really something to think about. I was going to hide the LV12R in the corner and eventually get another one but due to space constraints the other sub would have to be in the open and I'm definitely sure my Wife won't have approved.

Have you paired the LV12R with the I-12? I know it won't be as good as two LV12R's but would it be far off.

Thanks again for your input.
I wouldnt mix them. If ultimately wife approval is the decision maker get 2 I-12.
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I wouldnt mix them. If ultimately wife approval is the decision maker get 2 I-12.
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Wow you've given me something to really think about. I was dead set on the LV12R but if I can get something as good for less than $500 that also looks nice its really something to think about.
The I-12 certainly looks nicer, but whether it's the equal of the LV12R - performance wise - has yet to be determined. There's always a trade off, and for the lower cost and better looks of the RBH you lose some in the lower bass range vis-a-vis the Rythmik. Not sure about sound quality as I've never heard an I-12, but it's unlikely to provide more than the LV12R. Like all such decisions, it comes down to your priorities and situation.

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The I-12 certainly looks nicer, but whether it's the equal of the LV12R - performance wise - has yet to be determined. There's always a trade off, and for the lower cost and better looks of the RBH you lose some in the lower bass range vis-a-vis the Rythmik. Not sure about sound quality as I've never heard an I-12, but it's unlikely to provide more than the LV12R. Like all such decisions, it comes down to your priorities and situation.
Thanks a lot Jim i have a better understanding of both subwoofers now.

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I'm looking to replace the sub from my Take Classic 5.1 set-up. Room is 12' x 12' x 12' with hardwood floors and an 8 x 10 throw rug. One wall is built-in book shelves up to about 5" high and then glass above that with drapes. Other walls are plaster. Not an ideal room, I know, but that's what I've got. System is used 98% of the time for movies/TV.

Budget would be $2-300 and the current "leader" is a Bic F12. Any other suggestions?
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General question - Do you "turn off" your sub when not in use or leave in standby? I have been turning off my Klipsch 12-hg, but I was wondering if this is just a waste of time besides saving a bit of energy


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the sub12hg should eventually go into standby
the light on my turns red when the avr is turned off

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Waste of time. Wont hurt anything being left in Standby mode and probably uses less than 4 watts.
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I'm looking to replace the sub from my Take Classic 5.1 set-up. Room is 12' x 12' x 12' with hardwood floors and an 8 x 10 throw rug. One wall is built-in book shelves up to about 5" high and then glass above that with drapes. Other walls are plaster. Not an ideal room, I know, but that's what I've got. System is used 98% of the time for movies/TV.

Budget would be $2-300 and the current "leader" is a Bic F12. Any other suggestions?
A room with perfectly cubic dimensions is the worst possible scenario for bass, since the room modes will be the same in all 3 dimensions. That means you will get major peaks and deep nulls all over the place. I'm always in favor of multiple subs but would strongly, strongly recommend dual subs in a room like that.

The good news is in a room that small you don't need a ton of subwoofage to get a lot of output.

If the budget is inflexible then one option is to add the new sub and keep the 8" sub from the Take Classic setup and put it elsewhere in the room. Or you can get two Dayton Sub-1200 (and even then I'd probably keep the Energy sub and put it in the back of the room to help smooth room modes even more). If you can up it to $400 you can get two budget 12" subs like the Polk PSW505 or the BIC F12.

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I'm looking to replace the sub from my Take Classic 5.1 set-up. Room is 12' x 12' x 12' with hardwood floors and an 8 x 10 throw rug. One wall is built-in book shelves up to about 5" high and then glass above that with drapes. Other walls are plaster. Not an ideal room, I know, but that's what I've got. System is used 98% of the time for movies/TV.

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Ah I see, I was worried about that. What are your thoughts on the I-12. I haven't found a lot of reviews on it?
Sorry for the late reply. I have never auditioned the LV12R, so I can't say how the I-12 would compare head to head. I do know that the I-12 is very comparable in both extension and output (slightly less) than the SVS PB12-NSD from my experience with both. The PB12-NSD is a great sub and retailed for almost $800, so the fact that the I-12 can keep up with it for the most part is impressive. The I-12 will likely have more extension than the LV12R, as the LV12R is known to have a steep drop off below 19Hz. As you can see from this video, the I-12 has a much more gradual drop off and better extension.
RBH has the black I-12 in their outlet right now for $404. I checked it at checkout and it is available at this moment. I think it would be a no brainer at that price. http://emptek.com/bstock_template.php
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