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I'm coming from an Energy 8" sub (from the Take Classic 5.1) and trying to stay at $200 and looking at the Polk PSW505 and the BIC f12. I just got the Sony Core bookshelfs and center. Need to go with Amazon for shipping reasons. Any opinions or other options I should look at?
Here's a list I compiled recently of subs I have seen recommended at various price points:

Monoprice 9723 - $100
Dayton Audio SUB - 1200 - $150
Dayton Audio SUB - 1500 - $200
BIC America F12 - $200
Emotiva BasX S8 - $200
BIC America H-100II - $250
Emotiva BasX S10 - $300
Emotiva BasX S12 - $400
RSL Speedwoofer 10S - $400
SVS SB12-NSD - $400 (discontinued, a few new ones left on Amazon/Ebay)
SVS PB-1000 - $500
HSU VTF-2 MK5 - $600 (with shipping)

The only one on this list I've actually listened to is the SVS SB12-NSD (which I believe is the best value at its price point - sales price before being discontinued was around $650), so don't take this list to mean that I have extensive knowledge of the capabilities of each of these subs.

Some of these were based on the following article from Wirecutter:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-budget-subwoofer/

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^Klipsch R-115SW has been around $400 occasionally at Fry's. Best value in that price range
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I just moved and my HT room size dramatically increased to 7000 ft^3. I have the AJ pioneer 5.1 and suspect everything will be fine except for the sub. I need a new sub setup for sure. My budget is not big, I prefer value and thus the pioneers. I'm drawn towards dual budget subs to both better fill the space as well as looking awesome. I'm wondering if two $100 budget subs like the 9723 can get me there or if I'll be forced into a higher budget. If I can't get there on 9723 then I'm confused about the step up. Pair of Dayton 1000 would be more money and smaller diameter. That's better?
Polk's and Yamahas can be found for similar price but they don't seem any better than the Dayton or Monoprice. Any advice?
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I just moved and my HT room size dramatically increased to 7000 ft^3. I have the AJ pioneer 5.1 and suspect everything will be fine except for the sub. I need a new sub setup for sure. My budget is not big, I prefer value and thus the pioneers. I'm drawn towards dual budget subs to both better fill the space as well as looking awesome. I'm wondering if two $100 budget subs like the 9723 can get me there or if I'll be forced into a higher budget. If I can't get there on 9723 then I'm confused about the step up. Pair of Dayton 1000 would be more money and smaller diameter. That's better?
Polk's and Yamahas can be found for similar price but they don't seem any better than the Dayton or Monoprice. Any advice?
I used to have an 8" Polk sub that I got used for cheap. Considering what I paid, it wasn't terrible. For the money though, either the Monoprice or Dayton options are probably better. For that much room, though, you might want to get a single better sub for now and then save for a matching second sub later.

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I just moved and my HT room size dramatically increased to 7000 ft^3. I have the AJ pioneer 5.1 and suspect everything will be fine except for the sub. I need a new sub setup for sure. My budget is not big, I prefer value and thus the pioneers. I'm drawn towards dual budget subs to both better fill the space as well as looking awesome. I'm wondering if two $100 budget subs like the 9723 can get me there or if I'll be forced into a higher budget. If I can't get there on 9723 then I'm confused about the step up. Pair of Dayton 1000 would be more money and smaller diameter. That's better?
Polk's and Yamahas can be found for similar price but they don't seem any better than the Dayton or Monoprice. Any advice?


I would try and go with something like the Dayton SUB-1500, it will have far superior output compared to the smaller options, and even beat out the dual sub setups you are considering. Two subs really only serve to even out the frequency response in your room, the output increase is minimal.

As said above though, you will probably want at least 2 of those SUB-1500 for such a big space. Perhaps consider placing them near your seating location so you can have a more enjoyable experience.


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I just moved and my HT room size dramatically increased to 7000 ft^3. I have the AJ pioneer 5.1 and suspect everything will be fine except for the sub. I need a new sub setup for sure. My budget is not big, I prefer value and thus the pioneers. I'm drawn towards dual budget subs to both better fill the space as well as looking awesome. I'm wondering if two $100 budget subs like the 9723 can get me there or if I'll be forced into a higher budget.
Large space = large sub(s) I'm afraid, unless you're sitting right on top of them. It might be better to spend your money on the best sub you can get now, and then save toward another of the same kind for a future purchase.

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I didn't want to do it but based on your responses I will increase my budget and get one sub. At $400 this puts me in the RSL Speedwoofer 10S territory. Can a well sorted 10" perform better in a large room than say a 15" Dayton? And is there a reason the RSL is preferred over the HSU VT1?
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I didn't want to do it but based on your responses I will increase my budget and get one sub. At $400 this puts me in the RSL Speedwoofer 10S territory. Can a well sorted 10" perform better in a large room than say a 15" Dayton? And is there a reason the RSL is preferred over the HSU VT1?
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I didn't want to do it but based on your responses I will increase my budget and get one sub. At $400 this puts me in the RSL Speedwoofer 10S territory. Can a well sorted 10" perform better in a large room than say a 15" Dayton? And is there a reason the RSL is preferred over the HSU VT1?
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I didn't want to do it but based on your responses I will increase my budget and get one sub. At $400 this puts me in the RSL Speedwoofer 10S territory. Can a well sorted 10" perform better in a large room than say a 15" Dayton? And is there a reason the RSL is preferred over the HSU VT1?
From an output perspective it's likely the Dayton would have the edge, but for SQ the RSL and Hsu would be the better option. Not sure which item is more important for you.

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RSL is a Mighty Mouse small footprint sub; and yes free ship & return if not satisfied within 30 days; good luck

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Any sealed offering in the budget range?
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Any sealed offering in the budget range?
Why do you want sealed specifically?
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There are a few listed here, but in the $300 and below range almost are will be ported as they need to augment output due to the fact the components used are not of the best caliber.

Edit: I just noticed a few manufacturers changed links on me, so I have to update them again. Until I do you are likely to encounter some broken links.

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Why do you want sealed specifically?
Quality over quantity, my home theater room is ~100 square feet and it's an apartment. The goal is to hear the bass down to ~25hz or lower, not to feel the bass, I'll have bass shakers for that. Most of the commercial offerings seem to go for a 30hz+ port tune, just not sufficient for my purposes. Seems the glory days have passed, the Canadian dollar is hovering at an all time low, and many of the budget performers are off the market (Klipsch Rw12, Nxg Bas 500, Premier PA-150, etc)

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Quality over quantity, my home theater room is ~100 square feet and it's an apartment. The goal is to hear the bass down to ~25hz or lower, not to feel the bass, I'll have bass shakers for that. Most of the commercial offerings seem to go for a 30hz+ port tune, just not sufficient for my purposes. Seems the glory days have passed, the Canadian dollar is hovering at an all time low, and many of the budget performers are off the market (Klipsch Rw12, Nxg Bas 500, Premier PA-150, etc)
What about something like the RSL Speedwoofer 10S? It's ported, but the word is the SQ is quite good.
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What about something like the RSL Speedwoofer 10S? It's ported, but the word is the SQ is quite good.
Yeah, I wonder where the port tune is though. So far the Nht SS10 looks like the most suitable product for my purposes, and it's on sale right now: https://www.amazon.ca/NHT-SS-10-Subw...words=nht+ss10

There's also the Nht Cs10, but at 649$ it's competing with the SVS SB1000...
https://www.amazon.ca/NHT-CS-10-Subw...words=nht+cs10

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how do you port tune a sealed unit?
there is no port?

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how do you port tune a sealed unit?
there is no port?
Indeed, I'm not sure where your confusion is? The RSL Speedwoofer is a ported sub.
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The Emotiva BasX S10 or S12 might be worth considering as well.

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Quality over quantity, my home theater room is ~100 square feet and it's an apartment. The goal is to hear the bass down to ~25hz or lower, not to feel the bass, I'll have bass shakers for that. Most of the commercial offerings seem to go for a 30hz+ port tune, just not sufficient for my purposes. Seems the glory days have passed, the Canadian dollar is hovering at an all time low, and many of the budget performers are off the market (Klipsch Rw12, Nxg Bas 500, Premier PA-150, etc)
Ported subs benefit from room gain too. Just not quite as much due to the steeper roll off. The BasX12 and RSL would have usable output to 25hz for sure and the BasX12 probably down to close to 20hz.

The NHT you're looking at will struggle to produce usable output at 25hz.

The Polk DSW660Pro is tuned to 24hz IIRC and it's only a few $ more than the NHT you linked to. I have the 440pro in a 2500 cubic ft room and it has more than enough bass for the music I listen to at mediumish <85db volume.

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Ported subs benefit from room gain too. Just not quite as much due to the steeper roll off. The BasX12 and RSL would have usable output to 25hz for sure and the BasX12 probably down to close to 20hz.

The NHT you're looking at will struggle to produce usable output at 25hz.

The Polk DSW660Pro is tuned to 24hz IIRC and it's only a few $ more than the NHT you linked to. I have the 440pro in a 2500 cubic ft room and it has more than enough bass for the music I listen to at mediumish <85db volume.

https://www.amazon.ca/Polk-Audio-12-...words=polk+dsw
I'm familiar with this game by now, just a little more, just a little more, and suddenly I've got something twice the price of what is suitable for the application. I asked in the budget thread for a reason, if there is a ported (<25hz tune) or sealed sub that is a better value than the NHT SS10 then I'm happy to hear about it, but at the end of the day I am a reasonable judge of the amount of subwoofer I "need" for the application. I appreciate your input, but I'd prefer to keep the focus on pointing out options that I hadn't considered that are a better value, rather than how much I can overkill this and how quickly I can get an eviction notice. 30hz and above at higher volumes is what really pisses people off, I'm just looking to fill the gap in the audible spectrum, not bring the place down.
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I'm familiar with this game by now, just a little more, just a little more, and suddenly I've got something twice the price of what is suitable for the application. I asked in the budget thread for a reason, if there is a ported (<25hz tune) or sealed sub that is a better value than the NHT SS10 then I'm happy to hear about it, but at the end of the day I am a reasonable judge of the amount of subwoofer I "need" for the application. I appreciate your input, but I'd prefer to keep the focus on pointing out options that I hadn't considered that are a better value, rather than how much I can overkill this and how quickly I can get an eviction notice. 30hz and above at higher volumes is what really pisses people off, I'm just looking to fill the gap in the audible spectrum, not bring the place down.
This is still around, if you can go $450.
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I'm familiar with this game by now, just a little more, just a little more, and suddenly I've got something twice the price of what is suitable for the application. I asked in the budget thread for a reason, if there is a ported (<25hz tune) or sealed sub that is a better value than the NHT SS10 then I'm happy to hear about it, but at the end of the day I am a reasonable judge of the amount of subwoofer I "need" for the application. I appreciate your input, but I'd prefer to keep the focus on pointing out options that I hadn't considered that are a better value, rather than how much I can overkill this and how quickly I can get an eviction notice. 30hz and above at higher volumes is what really pisses people off, I'm just looking to fill the gap in the audible spectrum, not bring the place down.
Well, you asked for subs with output to 25hz. The NHT will not do that at any volume that is useful unless you and it are in a coffin.

The link YOU provided showed a price within $30 or so of the Polk I linked to.

Frequencies that bother the neighbors the most are the lowest ones. The wavelengths are such that they penetrate walls much easier, so maybe the NHT sub that won't play below 30hz is the best choice. Anything at high enough volumes will piss off the neighbors.

As for overkill, your AVR and the sub both have ways to adjust the output.

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Well, you asked for subs with output to 25hz. The NHT will not do that at any volume that is useful unless you and it are in a coffin.
First, define what you consider to be useful output, and then show me the objective data regarding the Nht ss10 at 25hz. This is Audio Video Science forum, not a place where your guesstimates are going to receive much credit.

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The link YOU provided showed a price within $30 or so of the Polk I linked to.
Swing and a miss, go back and read it again, there are 2 links, one is far cheaper than the polk you linked.

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Frequencies that bother the neighbors the most are the lowest ones. The wavelengths are such that they penetrate walls much easier, so maybe the NHT sub that won't play below 30hz is the best choice. Anything at high enough volumes will piss off the neighbors.
The lowest frequencies penetrate further yes, but they are also less audible, I'd much rather hear 25hz rumbles coming from a neighbors apartment rather than 60-80 hz boomy bass. Even if 25hz does piss off the neighbors, at least they won't be able to localize it back to me

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Yeah that's what I was referring to when I said overkill, why didn't I think of that, let me just go out back and pick a few more bills off the money tree. Hell I might as well just grab an Svs SB16 right, I can always just turn it down if it's overkill, and I've always wanted a 3000$ paperweight. Why is "budget" always such a difficult concept for a few folks around here?

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Quality over quantity, my home theater room is ~100 square feet and it's an apartment. The goal is to hear the bass down to ~25hz or lower, not to feel the bass, I'll have bass shakers for that. Most of the commercial offerings seem to go for a 30hz+ port tune, just not sufficient for my purposes. Seems the glory days have passed, the Canadian dollar is hovering at an all time low, and many of the budget performers are off the market (Klipsch Rw12, Nxg Bas 500, Premier PA-150, etc)
Edit, misread. I thought you wanted to feel 25hz. So nevermind If you can feel the bass at 25hz(45' wavelength) http://www.mcsquared.com/wavelength.htm I would bet any neighbor will feel or hear it also if you are in an apartment. Unless you have solid concrete all around you.

They might not hear it loudly but it will be enough to rattle or vibrate things in their apartment. I know because even at levels quite a bit below reference my neighbors have told me they can hear bass and that the bass vibrates stuff in their house and they are quite a bit farther away than an apartment would be. One is across the street so probably around 100'(when they complained it was over reference).

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Edit, misread. I thought you wanted to feel 25hz. So nevermind If you can feel the bass at 25hz(45' wavelength) http://www.mcsquared.com/wavelength.htm I would bet any neighbor will feel or hear it also if you are in an apartment. Unless you have solid concrete all around you.

They might not hear it loudly but it will be enough to rattle or vibrate things in their apartment. I know because even at levels quite a bit below reference my neighbors have told me they can hear bass and that the bass vibrates stuff in their house and they are quite a bit farther away than an apartment would be. One is across the street so probably around 100'(when they complained it was over reference).
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I'm familiar with this game by now, just a little more, just a little more, and suddenly I've got something twice the price of what is suitable for the application. I asked in the budget thread for a reason, if there is a ported (<25hz tune) or sealed sub that is a better value than the NHT SS10 then I'm happy to hear about it, but at the end of the day I am a reasonable judge of the amount of subwoofer I "need" for the application. I appreciate your input, but I'd prefer to keep the focus on pointing out options that I hadn't considered that are a better value, rather than how much I can overkill this and how quickly I can get an eviction notice. 30hz and above at higher volumes is what really pisses people off, I'm just looking to fill the gap in the audible spectrum, not bring the place down.
The basx s10 that Kini mentioned is probably your best bet. You just aren't going to be able get a sealed subwoofer at the price point you want. $300
https://emotiva.com/products/subwoofers/basx-s10
Here is a very recent review of it's $400 bigger brother, it should give you an idea of what to expect.
http://www.avsforum.com/emotiva-basx...woofer-review/

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Glancing at the systems in your sig, over reference...you don't say
I don't run all of those subs at once. I just bought them one at a time because I wanted to hear for myself the difference in output and sound of different priced and types of enclosures like traditional sealed/ported vs horn loaded. It has been a lot of fun. The bad thing is having a bunch of subs and only a few work ideally together. I am glad I did it though. Learned a lot, listening and measuring(in room with REW & Umik1) them and trying different combinations. And still, much more to learn and try

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