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JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 06:09 PM 12-17-2012
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

I'm not prepared for such a big box in my living room.

Not sure I've ever heard anyone describe the RW-12d as big before. What size enclosure were you looking for? Perhaps something else is available that might suit your needs.

defdog99's Avatar defdog99 06:50 PM 12-17-2012
My Energy sub is 12x12x14.

The RW-12d is 19x15x21.

My room is 18x15x8.
tcramer's Avatar tcramer 09:01 PM 12-17-2012
What is the overall opinion of the RW-12d versus the BIC F12? Is the Klipsch worth the extra $100? I have a larger, open great room so I am far from a perfect setup.

I have a set of Energy RC-Micro's on the way that I got for a great deal, but they only go down to 150 Hz so that would probably eliminate the RW-12d as an option since it only goes to 120 Hz. However, I may decide to use the RC-Micros as just the satellite surround sides and backs and pick up a different front setup. Batpig suggested the V-Mini front bookshelves and center speaker to go with the RC-Micro satellites. If I picked up the V-Mini's, I could then do the RW12d. Any other suggestions for a front 3.1 setup or a 2nd to Batpig's suggestion?

Otherwise I was looking at this front super budget setup: Pioneer SP-BS22-LR, SP-C22 with the SW-8MK2 Sub. Does anyone have experience with this Pioneer setup?
mgrotel's Avatar mgrotel 09:20 PM 12-17-2012
Get the pioneers, minus the crappy 8" for your front, then an rw12d
cubateve's Avatar cubateve 09:28 PM 12-17-2012
Finally pulled the trigger on the Klipsch RW-12D. Now I just need Santa to pick up the Pioneer 2nd gen speakers and I'll be ready to start angering the neighbors!
XStanleyX's Avatar XStanleyX 09:31 PM 12-17-2012
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Finally pulled the trigger on the Klipsch RW-12D. Now I just need Santa to pick up the Pioneer 2nd gen speakers and I'll be ready to start angering the neighbors!

Congrats! Great sub for the money. There are eargasms in your future.
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 09:50 PM 12-17-2012
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Congrats! Great sub for the money. There are eargasms in your future.
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XStanleyX's Avatar XStanleyX 09:52 PM 12-17-2012
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Now don't act like you've never had one. biggrin.gif
tcramer's Avatar tcramer 10:14 PM 12-17-2012
I was also looking at this model: Cadence CSX-12 Mark II.

Anyone have this or know how it compares to the RW-12d for the same price? From the few reviews I found it seems to be excellent, and I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger at $299.
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 10:26 PM 12-17-2012
I have never heard of it. You may want to be careful. The RW is a proven performer. Also the RW is 350 watt RMS and the Cadence is only 225.
XStanleyX's Avatar XStanleyX 10:32 PM 12-17-2012
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I have never heard of it. You may want to be careful. The RW is a proven performer. Also the RW is 350 watt RMS and the Cadence is only 225.

+1

I compared the Cadence specs with the Klipsch specs before buying the Klipsch. I guess I need say no more.
tcramer's Avatar tcramer 05:57 AM 12-18-2012
Thanks to you both for your input. I'd probably buy the RW-12d but I see it is now back up to $999! Doh! Just need to wait until the next sale now.
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 06:20 AM 12-18-2012
If you are sure, check frequently and dont hesitate. It always sells out very quickly. And these sales cannot go on forever. Most people are amazed that it has lasted this long. It has been discontinued for quite a while.
BeeMan458's Avatar BeeMan458 06:25 AM 12-18-2012
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Thanks to you both for your input. I'd probably buy the RW-12d but I see it is now back up to $999! Doh! Just need to wait until the next sale now.

What's really, really wrong, at $999.99/ea, Newegg is limiting you to five per customer. On it's face, that is sooooo wrong. At those prices, a customer should be allowed to be as stupid as they want. tongue.gif
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 06:36 AM 12-18-2012
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

Get the pioneers, minus the crappy 8" for your front, then an rw12d

+1

Pioneer speakers = solid value. Pioneer subwoofer = not so much.

The CSX-12 is a good subwoofer, especially at it's current price. It probably has more output (volume) then RW-12d, but the Klipsch will more then likely be able to play lower. It also has a DSP. Each of them is a value for under $300, just for different reasons.

How big is your room? If it's large enough, and you're planning on dual subs at some point, the Cadence has the ability to link them up so one unit can control multiple subs. I found that to be a very unique feature.
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 06:46 AM 12-18-2012
Jim, I have been unable to find that foam sleeping/camping pad in a proper color. I am very seriously thinking about just getting a Gramma for my RW12 and calling it a day. Will you talk me out of it?rolleyes.gif
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 07:38 AM 12-18-2012
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Jim, I have been unable to find that foam sleeping/camping pad in a proper color. I am very seriously thinking about just getting a Gramma for my RW12 and calling it a day. Will you talk me out of it?rolleyes.gif

Must...keep...hands...off...credit...card.

Nah, I'm not gonna talk you out of it - with the benefits I got from the Gramma I'm going to do the opposite. Tell your wife I coerced you. tongue.gif
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 07:42 AM 12-18-2012
Lol Thanks. Its a done deal. I will let you know what I think when I get it.smile.gif
mgrotel's Avatar mgrotel 07:45 AM 12-18-2012
are there any advantages to a gramma in a basement with carpeted floors?
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 07:53 AM 12-18-2012
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are there any advantages to a gramma in a basement with carpeted floors?
This may be helpful.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1440309/gramma-pads
tcramer's Avatar tcramer 08:01 AM 12-18-2012
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

+1
Pioneer speakers = solid value. Pioneer subwoofer = not so much.
The CSX-12 is a good subwoofer, especially at it's current price. It probably has more output (volume) then RW-12d, but the Klipsch will more then likely be able to play lower. It also has a DSP. Each of them is a value for under $300, just for different reasons.
How big is your room? If it's large enough, and you're planning on dual subs at some point, the Cadence has the ability to link them up so one unit can control multiple subs. I found that to be a very unique feature.

You guys have any experience with how the BIC PL-200 compares to the RW-12D? I can get the PL-200 for about $250 shipped and I've seen some comparisons saying it is superior.

I've also seen a good deal for the BIC VK-12 and Premier Acoustic PA-120W, but haven't found much as far as reviews go on these 2.

It's a great room that opens to the kitchen and dining room, so it's a large area with pretty much the worse shape for any surround sound. That's why I'm not concerned with going all out upstairs, that will be reserved for the basement. The seating area is about 9 ft from where the sub will be located.
Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 08:04 AM 12-18-2012
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are there any advantages to a gramma in a basement with carpeted floors?
IME there are no advantages to them at all. Oddly enough the exact same things they claim to achieve by de-coupling speakers from the floor are also claimed by spike manufacturers by increased coupling to the floor. Which do you believe?

The answer is neither.
swim33's Avatar swim33 08:06 AM 12-18-2012
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Originally Posted by sandeepkor View Post

Thats interesting and strange - any ideas why it makes "noise" with movies? Is this widely reported or just 1 user experiencing this..
I've heard several people complain about it because the port is a slot instead of a circular port and when lots of air is pushed out it creates a lot of turbulence with lower frequencies.
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 08:36 AM 12-18-2012
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

are there any advantages to a gramma in a basement with carpeted floors?

That would mostly depend upon what, if anything, is making noise in your room.

In my case it was beneficial to quiet down things that were rattling; namely windows, closet doors, etc. Once I started using the Gramma those issues pretty much disappeared. It also seemed to make the bass sound better, but that might be simply due to the fact that the room stopped making so much noise.
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 08:39 AM 12-18-2012
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Lol Thanks. Its a done deal. I will let you know what I think when I get it.smile.gif

Please do. I would love to hear what others did/didn't get from the Gramma.
mgrotel's Avatar mgrotel 10:58 AM 12-18-2012
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

That would mostly depend upon what, if anything, is making noise in your room.
In my case it was beneficial to quiet down things that were rattling; namely windows, closet doors, etc. Once I started using the Gramma those issues pretty much disappeared. It also seemed to make the bass sound better, but that might be simply due to the fact that the room stopped making so much noise.

i have a canned light above one of my subs that rattles and a closet door across the room that vibrates against the door frame during the lower notes. since my subs are on carpet which is over a pad and concrete, i find it hard to believe that vibrations are going through the concrete to make the noises. if that is true, would you agree that a gramma might not do much for me? thanks
tcramer's Avatar tcramer 10:59 AM 12-18-2012
I think I'm leaning towards going with the BIC PL-200 or F12. Can anyone suggest one way or the other if the PL200 is worth an extra $80 over the F12? I also found a Jamo Sub 650 for $275, so might throw that into the mix too!
Bond 007's Avatar Bond 007 12:29 PM 12-18-2012
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Please do. I would love to hear what others did/didn't get from the Gramma.
Any performance improvement will be very welcome but mostly I am just tired of looking at that bathroom rug. If I keep it (and I will as long as the construction is satisfactory) I was thinking about stapling a black piece of silk to it.
JimWilson's Avatar JimWilson 12:50 PM 12-18-2012
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

I think I'm leaning towards going with the BIC PL-200 or F12. Can anyone suggest one way or the other if the PL200 is worth an extra $80 over the F12? I also found a Jamo Sub 650 for $275, so might throw that into the mix too!

The Jamo for $275 is a sweat deal. Where did you find that?
tcramer's Avatar tcramer 01:10 PM 12-18-2012
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The Jamo for $275 is a sweat deal. Where did you find that?

Vanns has a couple returned ones. I gave them a call and they said the boxes had been opened, but it looked as though the subs had never even been removed from the box. They tested them out and everything works fine and they have no visual defects and are in new condition.

Very close to acting on this I think. Based on what I've read, the Jamo is superior to the BICs in nearly every area other than max output and on par if not a little better than the RW-12D.
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