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The Newegg page for the Klipsch RW-12d says "Not available. See similar items below".

I know they have been out of stock before but it also says on that page "Discontinued". I'm wondering if this is it for that sub?

I think if I was on the fence for one of these, which I am not, I would give it a week or two to see if it will be restocked.

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Mine is scheduled to land Friday/tomorrow. It’s my intention to get well acquainted with it and then sell it in two to three weeks time if anyone is interested?

I may be interested if NEWEGG doesn't put them back up for sale!
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Can anyone share thoughts on purchasing 1 High End Subwoofer vs. 2 Budget Subwoofers?

I'm considering Purchasing 1 Vintage Polk PSW505 300 Watts Continuous $200 - $230 on Amazon
http://www.polkaudio.com/products/psw505
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2 x150 Watt Continuous Monorpice Subs $210 + Shipping
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=9723&seq=1&format=2

What do you experts out there think would provide better base 1 Higher end vs. 2 Budget???
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I just purchased the new Pioneer 1522 9.2 Reciever.
I'm shopping for new Speaker and Sub on a limited budget of appx. $800 for a 5.1 or 5.2 set up..
I'm wondering if it would be better to purchase 1 Decent sub v/s 2 Budget subs?

The Polk PSW510 $200 Amazon http://www.polkaudio.com/products/psw505 which fits my budget

2 Budget subs from monoprice http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=9723&seq=1&format=3#specification

Opinions and advice highly appreciated
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I forgot to mention that my room dimension are 24" L x 12" Wx 8" Ft H
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I forgot to mention that my room dimension are 24" L x 12" Wx 8" Ft H

With a room that's only 2 feet by 1 foot you can get by with any old subwoofer. tongue.gif

Your room is really about 2300 ft^3, so one 'decent' sub might have some issues with that much space. I'm not sure two of the Monoprice subs are in your best interest though, because they're probably not all that great. In that price range you might want to look at the SUB-1200 instead. It won't be very articulate, but I suspect they will be better than those Monoprice units will be.

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With a room that's only 2 feet by 1 foot you can get by with any old subwoofer. tongue.gif

Your room is really about 2300 ft^3, so one 'decent' sub might have some issues with that much space. I'm not sure two of the Monoprice subs are in your best interest though, because they're probably not all that great. In that price range you might want to look at the SUB-1200 instead. It won't be very articulate, but I suspect they will be better than those Monoprice units will be.
Sorry for the typo on the room dims. Thanks for the advice. I'm a newbie and thought the Polks continous watt rating of 300 would be better - not sure if this is sound logic - how does one effectively judge a a sub woofers effectiveness, shopping on-line without actually listening to it?
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Start at the beginning of this thread. Lots of good info here.

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Start at the beginning of this thread. Lots of good info here.

Holy crap what an awesome thread - so much great information - props to all who have contributed!!!

I was leaning toward the Polk PSW 505 for $230 Free Shipping on Amazon but now after reading some pages it seems 2 x Dayton Sub 1200 for appx. $250 on sale @ parts-express.com is much wiser decision.Room Size is 12 x 24 x 8 with 2 Large open entry ways.

Would you guys agree?
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I would certainly agree, since I'm the one who suggested it. wink.gif

Having duals will allow you to place them in such a manner as to help eliminated 'dead spots' (nulls essentially) and even out the sound distribution. You'll be able to achieve a higher total output as well, so it seems to be a viable option given your situation.

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Holy crap what an awesome thread - so much great information - props to all who have contributed!!!

I was leaning toward the Polk PSW 505 for $230 Free Shipping on Amazon but now after reading some pages it seems 2 x Dayton Sub 1200 for appx. $250 on sale @ parts-express.com is much wiser decision.Room Size is 12 x 24 x 8 with 2 Large open entry ways.

Would you guys agree?
Completely agree.

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Having also been one that suggested the Dayton Sub-1200, I also agree... wink.gif
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I just purchased the new Pioneer 1522 9.2 Reciever.
I'm shopping for new Speaker and Sub on a limited budget of appx. $800 for a 5.1 or 5.2 set up..
I'm wondering if it would be better to purchase 1 Decent sub v/s 2 Budget subs?

The Polk PSW510 $200 Amazon http://www.polkaudio.com/products/psw505 which fits my budget

2 Budget subs from monoprice http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=9723&seq=1&format=3#specification

Opinions and advice highly appreciated

I have a similar question, but in a differrent price category. With $500 to $650 or so to spend, would I be better off getting one highly recommended sub (like the SVS that is $500), or two less expensive subs like the Klipsch everyone seems fond of as a budget option, which would run about $300 each?

The room is 14 wide, 20 long, and 14 high.
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It seems the availability of the Klipsch, RW-12d is in stock at Newegg for $350.00. If you wait, there's good reason to believe that it can be purchased, delivered, for <$300.00. Due to room smoothing, two of these would serve you better than one more capable subwoofer and later, one would be well served considering a third subwoofer.

With the above in mind, which way to go will depend on your future budget and what direction you plan to go with subwoofer purchases.

If I were to be looking to a single subwoofer solution in the $500.00 budget range, I'd look at a SVS, PV-1000 or a Rythmik, LV12R.

As to recommendations, it's all going depend on budget, what your expectations are and what you think the direction of your future is going be.
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I have a similar question, but in a differrent price category. With $500 to $650 or so to spend, would I be better off getting one highly recommended sub (like the SVS that is $500), or two less expensive subs like the Klipsch everyone seems fond of as a budget option, which would run about $300 each?

The room is 14 wide, 20 long, and 14 high.

At close to 4000 ft^3 your room is not small. Under normal circumstances BeeMan's suggestion is what I would probably advise as well - because he's right - but in this instance I might encourage you to look at the Rythmik LV12R instead.

I did a review on one of them recently and was quite surprised by what it was capable of. Dual RW12-d's would have more total output which, given your situation is a good thing, but the LV12R will go deeper and play cleaner. Is one of them sufficient for that much space? If you like it real loud then maybe not. However, if it does prove a little overwhelmed at least you'll be in a position to pick up a second and have a killer dual setup. I doubt the Klipsch's would ever be considered a 'killer' setup once you've heard a sub like the LV12R in action.

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With that amount I'd try to find a b-stock Outlaw LFM-1ex or LV12r

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Dual RW12-d's would have more total output which, given your situation is a good thing, but the LV12R will go deeper and play cleaner. Is one of them sufficient for that much space?

That's why I like the SVS, PC-12 NSD, because of the column design, it goes lower than other subs in it's price class but folks don't like the look of the column and give up depth of output by looking at other box shaped subwoofer solutions; form over function. In the end, even though they don't want the PC-12 NSD, they do want what it has to offer.

Enters the conundrum of getting what one wants, at a price they can afford, when what they want costs three or four times what they want to or they're able to spend. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to do that. The conundrum is, it's not realistic and disappointingly, qualifies as wishful thinking. That's why, with room gain, I like the idea of three PSA, XS15's, for what it does to quality of reproduced subwoofer sound. In my opinion, at minimum, folks want the sound quality of three PSA, XS15's and they want it all in a single, small, unobtrusive, box solution for less than five hundred dollars which meets with the wife's approval and sadly, it's just not going happen.

Enters the slippery armed animal, like a tenacious octopus, called compromise.

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That's why I like the SVS, PC-12 NSD, because of the column design, it goes lower than other subs in it's price class but folks don't like the look of the column and give up depth of output by looking at other box shaped subwoofer solutions; form over function. In the end, even though they don't want the PC-12 NSD, they do want what it has to offer.


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The shape of the sub has nothing to do with how low it plays.
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Looks like a misunderstanding due to incorrect spelling and punctuation. I think he meant this:
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That's why I like the SVS PC12-NSD: Because of the column design. Although the PC12 goes lower than other subs in its price class, folks don't like the look of the column and are willing to sacrifice depth of output by going with a more-traditional, box-shaped subwoofer (form over function).
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I read on another website that one should try to match the sub size based on the size of woofers they have on Center / Left & Right.
For example - If you have 10" woofers, go with 12" or 15" sub to cover the really low end. If you have 6" or 8" woofers, try an 8" or 10" sub to help cover the higher low end. The poster indicated - It's all about "gaps" in listening. I assume this opionion is based on music listening not home theater and like to do both.
Based on 12 x 24 x 8 - would it make more sense to get 2 x 10" Dayton Sub or 2 x 12" Dayton Sub OR would purchasing an 10" Dayon & 12" Sub good/bad idea????
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I read on another website that one should try to match the sub size based on the size of woofers they have on Center / Left & Right.
For example - If you have 10" woofers, go with 12" or 15" sub to cover the really low end. If you have 6" or 8" woofers, try an 8" or 10" sub to help cover the higher low end. The poster indicated - It's all about "gaps" in listening. I assume this opionion is based on music listening not home theater and like to do both.
Based on 12 x 24 x 8 - would it make more sense to get 2 x 10" Dayton Sub or 2 x 12" Dayton Sub OR would purchasing an 10" Dayon & 12" Sub good/bad idea????

Agreeing with you, if one is only going be doing music and is only wants to compliment their "stereo" based speaker system and all they care about is >30Hz, in my opinion, your above works but if doing Home Theater and wanting <20Hz, in general terms, budget 8", 10" and 12" subs are going come up woefully short. Yes there are exceptions but in a budget minded subwoofer discussion, there are darn few exceptions where even multiple 12" subwoofers are going give a basshead satisfaction.

FYI, our mains have 10" woofers and currently, we're running three 12" subs with a usable 20Hz output. As money becomes available, for Home Theater purposes, we're looking to a three, 15" subwoofer solution.

In the end, I find that the obvious discussing of budget minded subwoofer solutions revolves around issues of how many Benjamins does one have to throw at the idea of creating a subwoofer solution for Home Theater based sound reproduction. Once one goes into battle with a limited budget, compromise becomes their frustratingly close friend.
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First, it's generally best to have two matching subs than two different sizes. Easier to integrate them together.

Then that theory doesn't make much sense. Get the best subs that you can for your budget. In this case, two of the 12" Daytons would be your best choice.

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I read on another website that one should try to match the sub size based on the size of woofers they have on Center / Left & Right.
My advice is that you should ignore anything from that poster, as clueless he is. Choosing a sub is a matter of how low and how loud you want it to go. There is no direct correlation between driver size, frequency response and output. To some extent larger drivers may go lower and louder than smaller drivers, but not necessarily. You can find some fifteens that go lower and louder than some tens, but you can also find some tens that go lower and louder than some fifteens.
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My advice is that you should ignore anything from that poster, as clueless he is. Choosing a sub is a matter of how low and how loud you want it to go. There is no direct correlation between driver size, frequency response and output. To some extent larger drivers may go lower and louder than smaller drivers, but not necessarily. You can find some fifteens that go lower and louder than some tens, but you can also find some tens that go lower and louder than some fifteens.

I've been lurking here for awhile, but I decided to add my $.02.
We have been down the what ever it takes, "cost is no object" path with a high end SVS. At the end of the day, the best HT solution is a good moderate cost 12" sub (we have Hsu) and tactile transducers in the couch (we use Buttkickers). A big time sub will shake the house for sure (think SVS) but is it a good thing? Not necessarily...You want to shake the furniture and hear the bang/rumble/roar. The bass shakers are cheap. They keep the neighbors happy, they really add to the movies and you don't have to spend a fortune on power capable of vibrating windows...
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My advice is that you should ignore anything from that poster, as clueless he is. Choosing a sub is a matter of how low and how loud you want it to go. There is no direct correlation between driver size, frequency response and output. To some extent larger drivers may go lower and louder than smaller drivers, but not necessarily. You can find some fifteens that go lower and louder than some tens, but you can also find some tens that go lower and louder than some fifteens.

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A reminder that this is a budget minded subwoofer discussion and choices and performance quickly narrow when discussing the <$300.00 choices available?

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I've been lurking here for awhile, but I decided to add my $.02.
We have been down the what ever it takes, "cost is no object" path with a high end SVS. At the end of the day, the best HT solution is a good moderate cost 12" sub (we have Hsu) and tactile transducers in the couch (we use Buttkickers). A big time sub will shake the house for sure (think SVS) but is it a good thing? Not necessarily...You want to shake the furniture and hear the bang/rumble/roar. The bass shakers are cheap. They keep the neighbors happy, they really add to the movies and you don't have to spend a fortune on power capable of vibrating windows...
Been there, done that. YRMV.smile.gif

l plan to go with 2 x Dayton 12" subs based on all the great advice / education this forum has provided.
Can't wait to feed the Pioneer 1522 that I got onsale at Costco for $600 (seperate forum on that) - what a rockin deal that is!
I'm very intrigued by the tactile transducers i.e. butt kickers as I hadn't thought about that and it certainly would add a very unique element to my Home Theater experience assuming it is affordable!?
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Good call IMHO on the Dayton 1200 pair! As for the tactile transducers, I have (but not currently in use) and mounted in my recliner, 2 bass shakers...Only reason not in use is I am still on the lookout for the amp I want to use to power them. Actually, it is a long story...but suffice to say I highly recommend them!!! I tried the more expensive Clark Synthesizer and was unimpressed considering their cost. Butt Kickers are excellent also....
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Down in the trenches, I'm looking to buy a miniDSP to compliment our other EQ solutions and I must say, the concept of the Buttkicker is intriguing but now, one gets into spending more money as one tries to create the perfect subwoofer solution.

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