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So first post here...

Room Size: 20'x20+4' wide aisle down one side. 8' front wall and 12' back wall. (Vaulted ceiling). Front right is breakfast room with 8' wide opening.

Budget: Free?? Ok not really, just trying to get any idea budget price.

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So first post here...

Room Size: 20'x20+4' wide aisle down one side. 8' front wall and 12' back wall. (Vaulted ceiling). Front right is breakfast room with 8' wide opening.

Budget: Free?? Ok not really, just trying to get any idea budget price.

AVR: Pioneer VSX822

Intended use: TV, music, casual movies

Where should I start?

Thanks.
Thats a lot of space. Have you ever had a sub?

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Thats a lot of space. Have you ever had a sub?

Yeah. I have come to realize its a ton of space, which is why I'm posting....

This for the 'family tv room' and so I'm not going for perfection, but really just adequate. The speakers and sub are about 15 years old, but have seen very very light use over the years. I know this isn't a speaker forum, but just for some frame of reference, we have an older set of Polk's with RM Sereis II Shielded front satellites and 2 other Polks for the surround (Not sure of model as its currently mounted 8' high.) The sub that 'came' with the system is a passive 10" down fire with no discernible markings of any type. I can't ever remember the sub being hooked up and have a feeling that even if I did hook it up, it wouldn't do much. So unless there a miracle I'm missing, I'm gonna need a new sub to get it set up decently.

As for ever owned a sub,I have a mirage nano stat system with an 8" powered mirage sub in my room which works surprisingly well (10' x 12' room). (I'm in college and living at home to keep out of debt)

Forgot to mention that all of the flors are carpet.

---Edit---

Forgot to mention that due to the room layout, it's looking like a 60' ish run to the sub (if i I go the preferred route). I can shorten down to ~40' route if absolutely necessary.
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Yeah. I have come to realize its a ton of space, which is why I'm posting....

This for the 'family tv room' and so I'm not going for perfection, but really just adequate. The speakers and sub are about 15 years old, but have seen very very light use over the years. I know this isn't a speaker forum, but just for some frame of reference, we have an older set of Polk's with RM Sereis II Shielded front satellites and 2 other Polks for the surround (Not sure of model as its currently mounted 8' high.) The sub that 'came' with the system is a passive 10" down fire with no discernible markings of any type. I can't ever remember the sub being hooked up and have a feeling that even if I did hook it up, it wouldn't do much. So unless there a miracle I'm missing, I'm gonna need a new sub to get it set up decently.

As for ever owned a sub,I have a mirage nano stat system with an 8" powered mirage sub in my room which works surprisingly well (10' x 12' room). (I'm in college and living at home to keep out of debt)

Forgot to mention that all of the flors are carpet.

That's a big space.

How about a Premier Acoustics PA-150? Will have tons of midbass and do fairly well down to around 30hz. Acoustic Sound Design used to take a bid of $350.
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Is it safe to assume you need to spend under $500?

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That's a big space.

How about a Premier Acoustics PA-150? Will have tons of midbass and do fairly well down to around 30hz. Acoustic Sound Design used to take a bid of $350.
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That's a big space.

How about a Premier Acoustics PA-150? Will have tons of midbass and do fairly well down to around 30hz. Acoustic Sound Design used to take a bid of $350.

Hmmm... I'll have to check it out. Are there any specific places to order from / avoid?
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Is it safe to assume you need to spend under $500?

Yes. That is a safe assumption.

Also, how long is too long a run? (I edited my previous post, but may have been a bit slow...)
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Nevermind about where to buy. I feel so dumb, I should have just clicked the link.
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I dont think the run is going to matter too much except the longer cable will cost more.

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I dont think the run is going to matter too much except the longer cable will cost more.

That was my gut feeling, but after searching around, I couldnt find any one who had psoted anywhere about a run that long.
Funny thing... That is the exact cable I was looking at. I have to order some other stuff anyways, so was going to toss it in.
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Acoustic Sound Design is an authorized seller for Premier Acoustics, so good place to order from.

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What about SVS PB-1000?

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What about SVS PB-1000?

Will it handle such a big room without getting lost?
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If you could step your budget up a bit you could do an Outlaw LFM-1 EX for $650 and if not the LFM-1 Plus is $100 less. The EX might do an OK job in your space.

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Wait....his (CodyO) room is 10x12?? With 8' ceilings that's only 960cuft. With 10' ceilings thats 1,200cuft.

That's really not that large. I guess "enough sub" is different for everyone

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Wait....his (CodyO) room is 10x12?? With 8' ceilings that's only 960cuft. With 10' ceilings thats 1,200cuft.

That's really not that large. I guess "enough sub" is different for everyone

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Room Size: 20'x20+4' wide aisle down one side. 8' front wall and 12' back wall. (Vaulted ceiling). Front right is breakfast room with 8' wide opening.

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Will it handle such a big room without getting lost?

That room is probably a good 4000 ft^3, which is too large for a single PB1000. A PB12 Plus might, but that sounds more like a job for a PB13 Ultra.

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That room is probably a good 4000 ft^3, which is too large for a single PB1000. A PB12 Plus might, but that sounds more like a job for a PB13 Ultra.

I would love to have a budget that big. As it is, I'm already having a tough time explaining why an 8" Polk for $200 ins't really going to be a good choice for the money (thats after explaining that the passive sub won't work with the sub output on the receiver without an amplifier.)

So it looks like I need a powerful 12" or a decent 15", that being said I took another look at your list of budget subs. Looking around, I found the Home theater Solutions 12". I Know it has half the power, but I intended on placing it near the seating location of the room. My questions is this: if I can't get the PA-150, will this one be OK, or would it be a waste of time?
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I own the PA 150 along with Epik, Chase, Klipsch, SVS and some other brands. The PA 150 is one of my favorites. It sounds nice for movies and music and is a output monster for a large room. The only complaint is that it does not have the extension of some more expensive sub. But, at it's price point I don't know of many better subs. It is not one of the major brands but it is well built and the larger the room, the better decision points to the PA 150. With room gain, there is good usable extension into the low 20's.

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I would love to have a budget that big. As it is, I'm already having a tough time explaining why an 8" Polk for $200 ins't really going to be a good choice for the money (thats after explaining that the passive sub won't work with the sub output on the receiver without an amplifier.)

So it looks like I need a powerful 12" or a decent 15", that being said I took another look at your list of budget subs. Looking around, I found the Home theater Solutions 12". I Know it has half the power, but I intended on placing it near the seating location of the room. My questions is this: if I can't get the PA-150, will this one be OK, or would it be a waste of time?
If the specs are even close to real the Sub12F looks like a pretty good deal. Try it out and let us know what you think.

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If the specs are even close to real the Sub12F looks like a pretty good deal.

They're not close. Check this out...
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So it looks like I need a powerful 12" or a decent 15",

If ever you can, choose the 15" over the 12" as one-on-one, co-location issues aside, one 15" is approximately that of two 12" subwoofers but it never hurts to stack two 12" subwoofers in a corner.

For the extra money, go with the bigger 15" brother.

All things considering, the fifteen inch driver will out perform the 12" driver, dig lower and have less distortion at similar SPL levels; win, win, win.

If the wife's not looking, buy two and stack them. biggrin.gif

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They're not close. Check this out...
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Jim, thanks for the very helpful review of NX-BAS-500. I've also read one on CSX12. Would you recommend one of those for the 20w x 15d x 9h living room. It's going to be a 50 x 50 music / movie split, the budget max is $350. If not, are there other options to consider?
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Jim, thanks for the very helpful review of NX-BAS-500. I've also read one on CSX12. Would you recommend one of those for the 20w x 15d x 9h living room. It's going to be a 50 x 50 music / movie split, the budget max is $350. If not, are there other options to consider?

Your room is 2700 ft^3, which is probably on the larger side for either of them. Be that as it may... if you're looking for more total output (volume) the CSX12 is the better option, for deeper bass the NX-BAS-500 is the way to go.

Another potential option would be to pick two Dayton SUB-1200 subwoofers. With proper placement you would get a more even distribution with a pair, while also equaling or bettering the total output capability of the CSX12. That also keeps you within budget.

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If ever you can, choose the 15" over the 12" as one-on-one, co-location issues aside, one 15" is approximately that of two 12" subwoofers but it never hurts to stack two 12" subwoofers in a corner.

For the extra money, go with the bigger 15" brother.

All things considering, the fifteen inch driver will out perform the 12" driver, dig lower and have less distortion at similar SPL levels; win, win, win.

If the wife's not looking, buy two and stack them. biggrin.gif

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I totally missed that they had a 15" model. Thats probably the one I'm gonna get. We haven't had a sub in so long she doesn't even think we should have one... (And it's actually the mother, however, the same concept applies.....)

I'm thinking of just biting the bullet on it since they even include free shipping.
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