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After being asked countless times by people to start a thread for discussions/opinions/questions regarding budget subwoofers I finally got off my butt and created one. Not that I didn't feel there was a need -- I did -- it just never seemed to be something I found the time for.

I also thought it was necessary to support the Budget Subwoofers thread because I've requested that none of those things occur their, and for the most part everyone has complied. This thread, however, will allow everyone to engage in those "forbidden" topics. But, as you probably already surmised, I have a few ground rules for this one as well...
  • No arguing. This thread is intended to discuss subwoofers, so what I'm soliciting primarily is your own experience. It may differ from someone else's, and that's perfectly alright, but let's not get into pissing contests when opinions are dissimilar.
  • There is no limit to the number of times you can post, but the sub you discuss must be listed in the Budget Subwoofers thread. That way this thread and that one will be a good cross-reference to each other.
  • Your post can be as long or short as you'd like. Include a full-on review or just a few sentences, either is fine. Others probably won't get much value from what you add here unless it has a decent amount of information though. Pictures are definitely welcome.
  • Be certain to include the manufacturers name and model number in the post header. That way it will be much easier to search this thread for something in specific.
  • Questions are welcome! Want more information about a particular sub, even if several people have already left comments about it? Ask away - I encourage you to do so.
  • If you've already created a post in another thread that you really like, but think it would be perfect for this one too, then you can include a link to it instead. You may also copy and paste that text to a new post here if you want but either method would be fine, the choice is up to you.

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Great thread, thanks for the reviews, Jim.

My TSC-100-110 sub is dying and I need a new budget sub.

Right now, my choices seem to be:

Dayton 10" (Sub-100) --- $89 (free shipping)

Monoprice 12" -- $85 plus shipping

This Dayton says it goes down to 25hz...

Dayton 12"
(Sub-1200) --- $129 (free shipping)

Velodyne 10" (VX 11)
-- $179

The big winner seems to be this guy --- As it is down-firing but the port is on the side.... that's a big plus for me, since my 1 yr old boy may destroy a front-firing sub. Anyone have experience with these?

Bic America 12" (Venturi V1220)
- $168
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The big winner seems to be this guy --- As it is down-firing but the port is on the side.... that's a big plus for me, since my 1 yr old boy may destroy a front-firing sub. Anyone have experience with these?

Bic America 12" (Venturi V1220)
- $168

Here are some measurements, pics of the driver, amp etc.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1391243

If you have a choice between this and the BIC F12, I'd take the BIC F12 at the ~ the same price.

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Great thread, thanks for the reviews, Jim.

My TSC-100-110 sub is dying and I need a new budget sub.

Right now, my choices seem to be:

Dayton 10" (Sub-100) --- $89 (free shipping)

Monoprice 12" -- $85 plus shipping

This Dayton says it goes down to 25hz...

Dayton 12"
(Sub-1200) --- $129 (free shipping)

Velodyne 10" (VX 11)
-- $179

The big winner seems to be this guy --- As it is down-firing but the port is on the side.... that's a big plus for me, since my 1 yr old boy may destroy a front-firing sub. Anyone have experience with these?

Bic America 12" (Venturi V1220)
- $168

I've actually owned the VX11, and it's a pretty good sub. Fairly articulate, and can get reasonably loud, but doesn't quite have the extension necessary for the deep LFE info.

From what I can tell the V1220 is a solid choice for a budget sub. Not the most articulate out their, but if you primarily watch movies and TV it should provide what you need. The VX11 will have more clarity, while the V1220 will be able to dig a little deeper.

The rest of those mentioned will more then likely be rather bloated and indistinct. Remember, you're buying a speaker and an amp when you get a powered sub. In order for a company to sell both of those for $100 (or less) and make a profit means they have definitely cut some corners. Depending upon what you're looking to achieve they might work, but I find myself a little suspicious.
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Jim,

Thanks for all the effort in putting together the budget subwoofer threads.

I'm shopping for a sub and am wanting to stay around $200. Have read all the threads and it seems the Bic F12 is the best bang for the buck. I've been holding off though, hoping to see the PSW505 back on sale in that price range. Anyone know of any smoking deals out there on any of the subs that are normally in the $250 - $300 range? TIA
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Thanks for all the effort in putting together the budget subwoofer threads.

I'm shopping for a sub and am wanting to stay around $200. Have read all the threads and it seems the Bic F12 is the best bang for the buck. I've been holding off though, hoping to see the PSW505 back on sale in that price range. Anyone know of any smoking deals out there on any of the subs that are normally in the $250 - $300 range? TIA

I'm with you, would like to get a 2nd PSW505, but will be holding off for $200 or less.
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Jim, thanks so much for the thread! It has made it a lot easier in my search for the perfect sub.

Ok so here's my question. I am about to pull the trigger on a set of Energy Take Classic 5.0's. I'm not sure the size of my living room but it's a rectangle and the TV is in the corner. I was afraid the 5.1's included sub would not be enough for the size of room I have. I am trying to decide between the BIC F12 and the V1020. My question is I have a fiance that doesn't like a lot of bass, so is better to go with the 10" or can I tone down the 12 to get a better range?
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Ok so here's my question. I am about to pull the trigger on a set of Energy Take Classic 5.0's. I'm not sure the size of my living room but it's a rectangle and the TV is in the corner. I was afraid the 5.1's included sub would not be enough for the size of room I have. I am trying to decide between the BIC F12 and the V1020. My question is I have a fiance that doesn't like a lot of bass, so is better to go with the 10" or can I tone down the 12 to get a better range?

The size of your room is critical to achieving workable performance from a sub, so without knowing that I can't really give much of a recommendation. If you can let me know what the height, width and length is I'll be able to provide some suggestions.

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The size of your room is critical to achieving workable performance from a sub, so without knowing that I can't really give much of a recommendation. If you can let me know what the height, width and length is I'll be able to provide some suggestions.

HAHA I figured you would ask that so I measured it last night and it is 11Wx17Lx8H. Hopefully this will help! Thanks for your response as well!
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HAHA I figured you would ask that so I measured it last night and it is 11Wx17Lx8H. Hopefully this will help! Thanks for your response as well!

1500 CF is not a large space, which means you don't necessarily need a big sub to get good sound. What type of budget are you working with? Judging by the two BIC subs you're looking at I can make a guess, but I'd rather be certain.

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I was thinking under 200.
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I was thinking under 200.

The Energy S10.3 is currently on sale for only $200. That sub would probably satisfy your needs very well. It's only on sale until the 12th though, so you'd have to act fast is this one interests you.

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The Energy S10.3 is currently on sale for only $200. That sub would probably satisfy your needs very well. It's only on sale until the 12th though, so you'd have to act fast is this one interests you.

Excellent! thanks so much Jim you have been a ton of help!
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Excellent! thanks so much Jim you have been a ton of help!

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I have the Energy take classic 5.1 with the included 8" sub. It sounds pretty darn good, surprisingly good. Is part of this set up's equation the fact that the other 5 speakers are really going to cut off at a high 110Hz? Are the bigger subs really good at that high end?Maybe your should give it a week or two and see how you like it.
The next question for me is this is in a 22x22x8 room and I am trying to upgrade all speakers so the energy set can go to a living room. I am seriously considering the BIC PL-200 and just saw the Polk PSW 505 in about the same price range and thoughts on the better of these two or other sub $300 12" choices?

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I was asking for ANY thoughts. Sorry I should really learn to type if I am going to use these interweb thingys.

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I have the Energy take classic 5.1 with the included 8" sub. It sounds pretty darn good, surprisingly good. Is part of this set up's equation the fact that the other 5 speakers are really going to cut off at a high 110Hz? Are the bigger subs really good at that high end?Maybe your should give it a week or two and see how you like it.
The next question for me is this is in a 22x22x8 room and I am trying to upgrade all speakers so the energy set can go to a living room. I am seriously considering the BIC PL-200 and just saw the Polk PSW 505 in about the same price range and thoughts on the better of these two or other sub $300 12" choices?

Actually I was going to buy the Take Classic 5.0 set without the Sub due to the fact they are on sale right now in the under 200 range and I would actually end up saving money but having a larger sub to boot.
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I have the Energy take classic 5.1 with the included 8" sub. It sounds pretty darn good, surprisingly good. Is part of this set up's equation the fact that the other 5 speakers are really going to cut off at a high 110Hz? Are the bigger subs really good at that high end?Maybe your should give it a week or two and see how you like it.
The next question for me is this is in a 22x22x8 room and I am trying to upgrade all speakers so the energy set can go to a living room. I am seriously considering the BIC PL-200 and just saw the Polk PSW 505 in about the same price range and thoughts on the better of these two or other sub $300 12" choices?

You're using an 8" subwoofer in a room that's over 3800 cubic feet? I'm surprised you can even hear it.

Some larger subs can extend well over 100Hz, others can't. It depends upon how they were designed. A lot more of them are able to though, because "lifestyle" speakers -- those that are small/stylish -- are becoming far more prevalent, so the need for a sub to go that high is definitely there.

Between those two subs I'd say the PL-200 is the better choice. The PSW 505 has good output, but it's generally considered to be less than articulate. The PL-200 seems to have more clarity and definition, which is never a bad thing.

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You're welcome. Did you actually buy the Energy?

I'm sorry Jim, I must have been daydreaming and missed this post from you. I haven't pulled the trigger yet I was waiting till tomorrow to order everything at once, so I missed out on the newegg deal you sent me! I have been watching it on newegg and hoping that they will drop it back down to 200 tomorrow. I did go back and consider the Velo Vx-11 again due to it's 160 range price tag, however it not having feet and foam surround do not impress me. Thus, I am taking your advice and spending 70 more on the Energy.

So tomorrow I get to pull the trigger on a set of Energy Take Classic 5.0's, an Energy S-10.3, and a huge box of goodies from monoprice! This will go along with my Yamaha RX-v671. I have an old pair of JBL HLS810s that I have been using for fronts for years now and I thought about using them with the Energy Take's to have 7.1 but I'm not sure about that yet. What are your thoughts?

PS I really appreciate the help you have provided so far!
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So tomorrow I get to pull the trigger on a set of Energy Take Classic 5.0's, an Energy S-10.3, and a huge box of goodies from monoprice! This will go along with my Yamaha RX-v671. I have an old pair of JBL HLS810s that I have been using for fronts for years now and I thought about using them with the Energy Take's to have 7.1 but I'm not sure about that yet. What are your thoughts?

Judging by the looks of them I'd say it might be tough to get the integration right. Surrounds are usually not that larger, especially in relation to the other channels, so getting them balanced could prove to be a struggle.


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Will you still feel that way if I throw you a curve? newegg is selling a MartinLogan 5.1 system for $299. That price is only good until the 21st though. The sub is a little weak, so you'll probably still want to consider the Energy, but the other 5 channels are pretty good. Decisions, decisions, decisions...

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Will you still feel that way if I throw you a curve? newegg is selling a MartinLogan 5.1 system for $299. That price is only good until the 21st though. The sub is a little weak, so you'll probably still want to consider the Energy, but the other 5 channels are pretty good. Decisions, decisions, decisions...

OH dear lord you had to do that to me! So I assume the MLT-2s would have a greater range due to the 4.5 drivers and the dual drivers in the center. If I went that route I wouldn't be able to replace the sub for the time being. Also they are extremely tempting but a few of things concern me:

1. They look plastic, do you know if the enclosure is plastic?

2. I have mounts for my rears that use the standard thread to mount, and I've read in the reviews these are hard to mount.

3. I read another thread that stated someone said the MLT-2's were very bright versus the warmer sound of the Take's.

Any opinions? This would save me money upfront though without replacing the sub so I'm back and forth again lol
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1. They look plastic, do you know if the enclosure is plastic?

2. I have mounts for my rears that use the standard thread to mount, and I've read in the reviews these are hard to mount.

3. I read another thread that stated someone said the MLT-2's were very bright versus the warmer sound of the Take's.

1. It's possible they are some type of "injection molded" material. They're essentially Paradigm speakers, but that's not a bad thing because they make some fine products (I only found that out yesterday myself). But for an entry level product I think the greater concern is what they sound like, as oppose to what they're made from.

2. I'm not sure of the mounting.

3. If it was a single opinion I'm not certain I would put too much weight behind it -- everyones opinion varies. If a lot of people voice a similar concern then that's another thing, but a lone comment wouldn't really cause me too much worry.

You might consider asking these questions in the Speakers forum. Perhaps someone their would be better able to answer them for you - I've never actually heard either of them, so I'm not really in the best position to assist.


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Any opinions? This would save me money upfront though without replacing the sub so I'm back and forth again lol

Based upon the spec's I'd say the sub would have to go, sooner then later. But it might suffice for the interim. I happen to like deep bass myself, so I do tend towards that. It's sure hard to argue with the price though, on either set of speakers.

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Based upon the spec's I'd say the sub would have to go, sooner then later. But it might suffice for the interim. I happen to like deep bass myself, so I do tend towards that. It's sure hard to argue with the price though, on either set of speakers.

I have to say I am leaning towards the MLT-2s now. According to my fiance I need to be done soon so she wouldn't understand another sub showing up a couple of weeks later lol...so if I needed to change out the sub in the MLT set would the Velo VX-11 be enough? Or is there a good sub in the 150-170 range that would compliment it?
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I have to say I am leaning towards the MLT-2s now. According to my fiance I need to be done soon so she wouldn't understand another sub showing up a couple of weeks later lol...so if I needed to change out the sub in the MLT set would the Velo VX-11 be enough? Or is there a good sub in the 150-170 range that would compliment it?

The VX-11 is not bad - I owned one of them a few years back. It had the ability to play loud, but it wasn't the deepest sub I had ever heard. For the price it was a good value though. Realistically, you'll probably need at least $200 in order to get a serviceable sub; unless you stumble upon a great deal anything less than that often gets you something without much ability (remember, you're buying a speaker and an amp, so that's going to cost).

Since you have concerns about the cabinet material of the ML's how about this... if you're OK with a soundbar you can get one of these and two of these satellites and that would be a 5 speaker system. That would leave you more money left over for a sub. Alternately, you could get 4 of those same satellites and the matching center (which is precisely what I did about a month ago).

The cabinet finish on all of these is gorgeous, and the sound they produce is very good. More than worth what you're paying for them. The 2nd option is more than the 1st, total dollar wise, but not everyone wants/needs a soundbar. Either way, these are beautiful speakers that sound nice, and are less than ML's to boot.

Bet you're getting tired of asking me questions, eh? Every time you do I come up with something else to think about!

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