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post #1 of 22 Old 02-26-2012, 07:03 AM - Thread Starter
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I had a friend over last night to watch a movie, we watched Drive. When it ended he turned to me very deliberately and said, "I want in!"
So, he asked me to find him dual subs for ~$1k or less that are "smaller" than my PB12-NSD.(his wife did not like form factor)
His space is a sealed room with carpet, in a rectangular shape of 17' x 11' x 8'h.

So....from the major five players(svs, hsu, rythmik, epik, outlaw) what are my options for ~3 cu ft or ideally less.(~2-2.5 cu ft each would be ideal)
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He does realize that a smaller form factor will also not match the experience he felt at your place not to mention a difference in rooms.
What does he have now?
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I told him that by going smaller he would lose some of the visceral feel, he said just do your best to find two slightly smaller subs that can come as close as you can find.
The output up high was more than enough for him and I said he could get that with two smaller subs most likely.
He has some crappy Polk 12" now. I can get the model number from him if needed. I've heard it play and in my own head I've thought he should just turn it off.
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I think his answer is "No, not going to happen."

3 cubic feet means a small 10" sealed sub, which may not give him enough output or low frequency extension to make him happy, and the ones regularly recommended here are more than 1K for 2.

He should replace that one 12" Polk sub with another 12" sub. Perhaps the Epik Legend or the HSU VTF-2 MK4, which I think are a little smaller than your SVS.

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If that's the case, how about a single sub that is 3 cu ft or less that has serious output and is under $1k. If the output is there I will tell him to just buy a single.
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for less than a $1000 and his space requirements aaaand expecting to get your output? probably not going to happen. 2 vtf 2.x would be close though in regards to size, budget and getting what he wants. he's going over on size a bit, about $100-200 on budget and getting that dual sub goodness.

but if he can't swing that, then tell him f--- it! get two submersives. and crank 'em up when the wife starts letting him know how much she disapproves.
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If that's the case, how about a single sub that is 3 cu ft or less that has serious output and is under $1k. If the output is there I will tell him to just buy a single.

seriously, he's not going to make what he needs with his "requirements". his best bet is probably the hsu vtf 15h. or two uls 15's.
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If that's the case, how about a single sub that is 3 cu ft or less that has serious output and is under $1k. If the output is there I will tell him to just buy a single.

Not going to happen either. Even smaller sealed 12" subs in this price range (which are too big for your size requirements) cannot compete on SPL with your SVS.

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seriously, he's not going to make what he needs with his "requirements". his best bet is probably the hsu vtf 15h. or two uls 15's.

If one VTF-15H don't put a smile on his face those face muscles are paralyzed.
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Not going to happen either. Even smaller sealed 12" subs in this price range (which are too big for your size requirements) cannot compete on SPL with your SVS.

That suprises me since my PB12 is ~4 cu ft, I would have guessed that I could find a 15" sealed in 3 cu ft or less.

oztech...that is much too large, it's bigger than my pb12 which his wife nixed.
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That suprises me since my PB12 is ~4 cu ft, I would have guessed that I could find a 15" sealed in 3 cu ft or less.

oztech...that is much too large, it's bigger than my pb12 which his wife nixed.

Tell him to get 2 SB12-NSDs. It's over his budget. They won't have the SPL of your sub or go quite as deep, but they will a little better accuracy. I would think that they would provide a satisfying experience in that room as long as he is not hoping for the same output that your sub has.

Perhaps it would be good to find out which model Polk he has? We could certainly suggest something roughly the same size that would be a big improvement over it.

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That suprises me since my PB12 is ~4 cu ft, I would have guessed that I could find a 15" sealed in 3 cu ft or less.

Oh, and check out the size of the SB12-NSD, as well as the X-Ref 12, and the NHT B-12d. That's about as small as you can find in a 12" sealed sub. But the much smaller enclosure means less volume output compared to the better larger ported subs in the same price range, such as your PB12-NSD.

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What about the PC12-NSD? It's footprint is less than 17" but it's almost 36" high.
It should sound very close to the PB

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cy...&category_id=8

Sorry, I didn't notice the dual.

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What about the PC12-NSD? It's footprint is less than 17" but it's almost 36" high.
It should sound very close to the PB

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cy...&category_id=8

Sorry, I didn't notice the dual.

That's a good suggestion, though, since WAF is what's restricting the purchase. Perhaps that would past the test, then the guy could get by with one.

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wmwilker...he would be using them as speaker stands on either side of his tv stand. I actually showed him a picture of the cylinders before he made the former known to me.
He is alright with using one speaker stand and one sub on either side though as well if the sub is small enough.
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The dual SB12-NSD's or the Emo X-Ref's are fairly small, but over budget. Changing gears a touch, what about a veneered sub? The HSU VTF 3 MK IV, while not much different in size from you PB12 NSD, comes in a nice furniture like veneer option. Shipped it would be under his budget, and the side firing design kind of hides what the item is to the uninformed eye. Tell him to use it as an end table next to the sofa. It will disappear visually (depending on the furniture he has in the rest of the room). Output would be similar as well, so it gets him into the game, and Hsu has a solid reputation for making good products.

You could also check with Nathan at Funk Audio about his F10.1 or F12.1 and see what they cost. It might be doable (I don't know the cost so I could be way off here).

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That's an idea, nice finish and dual use as an endtable. Now from experience with my PB12-NSD, I would not be able to set anything directly on it without some padding between and then some way to secure it. Same with the HSU? (like a lamp or glass)
The dual SB12's are a consideration if I can get him to stretch a tiny more shipped.
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That's an idea, nice finish and dual use as an endtable. Now from experience with my PB12-NSD, I would not be able to set anything directly on it without some padding between and then some way to secure it. Same with the HSU? (like a lamp or glass)
The dual SB12's are a consideration if I can get him to stretch a tiny more shipped.

I don't know specifically about the Hsu, but in my current room I've run 3 different pairs of subs as end tables with pretty good results ( 2 x:SVS PB12-Plus, AV123 MFW-15, SVS PB13-Ultra). All worked pretty well. I use coasters for glasses, and the coasters have little rubber feet. I also have a couple of pictures, and a small book display on them, and I did have to put a little rubber feet on those to keep them from sliding, but it was a $2 fix and is visually seamless. I'm unsure about a lamp, I've had one on there but I don't remember what, if anything, I had to do to it.

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Weren't there some small subs on sale recently that were like $329 each and the ad was up top on AVS everyday?
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What about a Rythmik F12G? It seems to fit all the needs; size (WAF), price and capabilities. In a room that's not even 1500 CF the F12G should be able to hold it's own rather well.

Another potential option is the XTZ W12.18. I own the W12.16 in a room almost exactly the same size as his, and it does a remarkably good job. The W12.18 has a better driver then the W12.16, more powerful amp and bigger enclosure, so it stands to reason it can do quite a bit more than the one I have. Down side is it might be about the same size as the PB12-NSD.

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That's an idea, nice finish and dual use as an endtable. Now from experience with my PB12-NSD, I would not be able to set anything directly on it without some padding between and then some way to secure it. Same with the HSU? (like a lamp or glass)
The dual SB12's are a consideration if I can get him to stretch a tiny more shipped.





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1500 cu. ft sealed room should play nice with a couple sealed subs like the sb12's or epik legends.
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