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I would definitely check out the PB12-NSD review in Sound & Vision before ponying up the extra money for the VTF-15. If nothing else so you are more educated in real world listening situations and not just people's opinions who have one sub or the other and are saying to buy what they already purchased.



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Hear is the review of the VTF15H from the same magazine. http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...-15h-subwoofer
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Basically, the price difference between the SVS and the VTF...I feel is worth the peace of mind of knowing you got the best you could afford instead saving not that much and always having that in the back of your mind.

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I have read all the reviews and the HSU seems to be the better option. The SVS looks like a great sub also but the HSU seems to offer just a little more. I do not want to buy something then always wonder did I make the right choice.
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I'm in the similar boat, as the OP. I've thought i've made my choice on the pb12-nsd, and i just need save up a little more $$$ before i purchase. But lately i've been wavering, and thinking i should lean towards the vtf-15H..... thinking on the side of best/most bang for the buck....

LR/HT= 3276 cu. ft. opens to 792 cu. ft dining room

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My room is 4200 and it opens up to a total of 9400 or so (is a full basement)
Oddly enough, after adding doors to the back and front of the room which were just the open doorway and testing, I realized that I get better performance with both doors open!
Gotta love room acoustics
So for that size, if your limit is 1000...the 15H gets my vote as well.

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My room is 4200 and it opens up to a total of 9400 or so (is a full basement)
Oddly enough, after adding doors to the back and front of the room which were just the open doorway and testing, I realized that I get better performance with both doors open!
Gotta love room acoustics
So for that size, if your limit is 1000...the 15H gets my vote as well.

I believe that is a gymnasium
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I believe that is a gymnasium

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Wife called and the VTF-15H is out of stock

They are looking for a b-stock. Has the same warranty just can not demo for 30 days and send back. With all the great reviews I do not think that will be a problem.
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Hope they can find you one, well worth it!

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I remember when I was in this exact situation. Ended up going with the PB12-NSD instead of the VTF-15H. While I am certain the Hsu is a fantastic sub and I have never heard one in person I can say with confidence I am very, very pleased with my decision and never regretted it. I had $250 more bucks in my pocket and a lot more room thanks to the significantly smaller size. The smaller size allowed me more placement options for better sound in my room. It also gave me more money to look into a second PB12-NSD if I desired.

Take my experience for what it is, my experience and nothing more.
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While the PB12-NSD is a great sub IMO it is not in the same class as the VTF-15H.
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While the PB12-NSD is a great sub IMO it is not in the same class as the VTF-15H.

Have you had both in your home?
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Not sure if he has but I think its fairly obvious with some research that it is. I dont need to own a Ferrari and a yugo to see which one is better.
Not to say the difference is that HUGE of course, but there is a difference. No need to be defensive because you own one or the other.
We are just recommending the best subwoofer for his budget...not being biased fans.
If his budget was higher then there would be other recommendations like Captivators, Seaton Submersive, etc

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Have you had both in your home?

I have heard both have you and as was said if you look at them realistically you could guess the outcome and yes if the budget was higher I would recommend a Seaton Submersive.
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Output wise, the VTF15h is competing with the PB12 Plus, not the NSD. The VTF3 is more comparable with the NSD, but I think even the VTF3 has a significant output advantage against the NSD. If the VTF3 is a step above the NSD in terms of output, and the VTF15h is a step above the VTF3, that is going to leave a pretty large performance delta between the VTF15h and NSD.
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I am not being defensive at all. It was just a question if he has heard both at his listening environment because I was curious the impressions. I am not offended if some strangers on the internet feel the this or that sub is in another league. We are all just here to share our opinions and experiences. In my room and situation because of the size of the Pb12-NSD I was able to place it in a location where it will outperform anywhere in my room that a VTF-15h would fit. So in the end the Pb12 was the better choice for sound quality. Also it allowed me to have some extra money for a second if I decided to go that route.

I have issues with the VTF-15h beyond the straight numbers that the sub is capable of. The components of the sub and the size of it leave something to be desired IMO. Obviously it is still an awesome piece of equipment for the money.

To be honest with a room as large as we are discussing here and budget allowed I would save up a little extra and get 2 subs regardless of the type, SVS, Hsu, Epik or whatever you end up purchasing
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I am not being defensive at all. It was just a question if he has heard both at his listening environment because I was curious the impressions. I am not offended if some strangers on the internet feel the this or that sub is in another league. We are all just here to share our opinions and experiences. In my room and situation because of the size of the Pb12-NSD I was able to place it in a location where it will outperform anywhere in my room that a VTF-15h would fit. So in the end the Pb12 was the better choice for sound quality. Also it allowed me to have some extra money for a second if I decided to go that route.

I have issues with the VTF-15h beyond the straight numbers that the sub is capable of. The components of the sub and the size of it leave something to be desired IMO. Obviously it is still an awesome piece of equipment for the.

To be honest with a room as large as we are discussing here and budget allowed I would save up a little extra and get 2 subs regardless of the type, SVS, Hsu, Epik or whatever you end up purchasing

The 15H is closer to the 13ultra/bash and yes i've had one in my room.

P.S. IMHO
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I have issues with the VTF-15h beyond the straight numbers that the sub is capable of. The components of the sub and the size of it leave something to be desired IMO. Obviously it is still an awesome piece of equipment for the.

Pardon me but that makes absolutely no sense....

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Just got off the phone with HSU and a b-stock is on the way. Has some light scratches on the top but was told that they are not deep only surface. Sounds ok to me with a savings of $89. Hopefully some kind of polish will clean it up,I am anal that way.
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Just got off the phone with HSU and a b-stock is on the way. Has some light scratches on the top but was told that they are not deep only surface. Sounds ok to me with a savings of $89. Hopefully some kind of polish will clean it up,I am anal that way.

Congratulations. I got a b stock and yes it is like very superficial scratches. I am sure you will be blown away!

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Should be here in a week. Will post a review when I get it up and going. Will probably be asking for some settings to start with.
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My fav is EQ 1 and Q .7 but depends on room and preferences or course.

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That is the beauty part you have EQ 1 and 2 a Q= .3,.5 ,.7 and in between sealed 1 or 2 ports open so you should be able to tune it to your hearts content.
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My fav is EQ 1 and Q .7 but depends on room and preferences or course.

This is where I have mine set right now two with one port open.

I am going to play around with both ports open and different Q setting soon..

Everytime I plan on trying different settings, I end up sitting down and watching a movie
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I used to run mine at EQ1 Q7 as well. After I got rew running and bought a SMS-1 I tried EQ2 Q3. For me it has made a difference. I don't know how to explain what I am hearing, but it has more headroom for sure.

I also tried to run it with my dual MFW-15's. Yes, the graphs look better but as far as I am concerned, they are dogs. (by dogs I mean the quality of the sound, not the output, but the single H15 still has more) . Both of them running by themselves don't compare to the single H15, imho. I wish I could sell them both and get another H15. I also found that if I had one port plugged and that plug was in the one farthest from the wall, it affected the graphs, picked up a big null. How and why, don't know.

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Just got home and it is here. WOW this thing is HUGE!!!

I asked my wife what she thought and she said it is fine and that it should thump. She is not concerned about the size(that is why she married me)

Been working alot so will not have time to get it running until Saturday.
Where is a good starting point on the settings to start with? It will be set up with a Denon 2112CI.
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Just got home and it is here. WOW this thing is HUGE!!!

I asked my wife what she thought and she said it is fine and that it should thump. She is not concerned about the size(that is why she married me)

Been working alot so will not have time to get it running until Saturday.
Where is a good starting point on the settings to start with? It will be set up with a Denon 2112CI.

Experiment and try them all I bounce from 1 port open and EQ=1 and Q=.7
for some classical and electronic music to both ports open EQ=2 and Q=.3 for everything else.
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Where should I start to run Audessey? Where should I put phase,volume,etc? Sorry for all the questions but just starting to learn.

Sould I run Audessey with both ports open?
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